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My dealer said that the Denon is better for music and films. As he has tested both. He says the marantz is under powered.
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Underpowered? Same amount of capacitance to power two channels less... hard to believe..
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This would suggest that your dealer had a defective unit, is uninformed, or implemented questionable testing methodology.
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the Denon has got a bigger power supply.
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That is true, but not "bigger enough" to say the Marantz is under powered.
Guess I'll find out this weekend when I get mine hooked up. It is replacing a "by the stated specs" higher powered Yamaha 3050...we shall see.

Likely no one will run definitive tests to resolve this power question, especially in actual use, but here are a couple data points:

The fuses leading from the X8500H power transformer to the amplifier power supply have a 50% higher current rating (15A vs. 10A) than the fuses in the SR8012.

It appears that ultimate protective shutdown due to the level of DC current flowing from the amplifier power supply to the amplifier channels occurs at a 50% higher level in the X8500H than the SR8012.
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Likely no one will run definitive tests to resolve this power question, especially in actual use, but here are a couple data points:

The fuses leading from the X8500H power transformer to the amplifier power supply have a 50% higher current rating (15A vs. 10A) than the fuses in the SR8012.

It appears that ultimate protective shutdown due to the level of DC current flowing from the amplifier power supply to the amplifier channels occurs at a 50% higher level in the X8500H than the SR8012.
Just to satisfy my curiosity, do you happen to know the same fuse rating for the 7200?

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Likely no one will run definitive tests to resolve this power question, especially in actual use, but here are a couple data points:

The fuses leading from the X8500H power transformer to the amplifier power supply have a 50% higher current rating (15A vs. 10A) than the fuses in the SR8012.

It appears that ultimate protective shutdown due to the level of DC current flowing from the amplifier power supply to the amplifier channels occurs at a 50% higher level in the X8500H than the SR8012.
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Just to satisfy my curiosity, do you happen to know the same fuse rating for the 7200?

The X7200W fuse is 10A.
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The X7200W fuse is 10A.
So same as the 8012...dont recall ever hearing anyone call the 7200 "underpowered".

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My 8012 arrived and is hooked up. Ran a room correction set and the first thing I noticed over the Yamaha was a fuller sound. The set up is much simpler as well compared to the Yamaha. Now I've got to figure out what settings should be what (have never owned a Marantz and been a while since my last Denon). Any basic recommendations or a good place to look for some? I did set my HDMI ports to enhanced. What about Audyssey settings?

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So same as the 8012...dont recall ever hearing anyone call the 7200 "underpowered".
The Denon 7200 has only got 9 channels the marantz has 11

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My 8012 arrived and is hooked up. Ran a room correction set and the first thing I noticed over the Yamaha was a fuller sound. The set up is much simpler as well compared to the Yamaha. Now I've got to figure out what settings should be what (have never owned a Marantz and been a while since my last Denon). Any basic recommendations or a good place to look for some? I did set my HDMI ports to enhanced. What about Audyssey settings?
let us know what it's like for music.

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let us know what it's like for music.
Music, what's that? In all seriousness though, it will see less than 5% of its time on music.

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Music, what's that? In all seriousness though, it will see less than 5% of its time on music.
Not necessary. I listen a lot of music on my Onkyo RZ810. Soon I will get SR8012 and will be the same. Lot of music.
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My 8012 arrived and is hooked up. Ran a room correction set and the first thing I noticed over the Yamaha was a fuller sound. The set up is much simpler as well compared to the Yamaha. Now I've got to figure out what settings should be what (have never owned a Marantz and been a while since my last Denon). Any basic recommendations or a good place to look for some? I did set my HDMI ports to enhanced. What about Audyssey settings?
I've had Yamaha receivers in the past, but the GUI/set up is so damn confusing. I love the Denon/Marantz GUI. Simple and great options to fine tune the receiver.
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Not necessary. I listen a lot of music on my Onkyo RZ810. Soon I will get SR8012 and will be the same. Lot of music.
I'll defer the music performance review to z-harris then.
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I've had Yamaha receivers in the past, but the GUI/set up is so damn confusing. I love the Denon/Marantz GUI. Simple and great options to fine tune the receiver.
Ain't that the truth! I can't believe how much more intuitive and "easy" the set up was on the Marantz.

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I did download the Audyssey app on my phone and plan to re-run set up this weekend. I did a quick and dirty last night just to make sure everything worked. The Yamaha will be transplanted to the livingroom and will be a big upgrade there so win-win...two upgrades for the price of one!


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I'll defer the music performance review to z-harris then.
sadly, but my opinion won't be as soon as i wish to be. I don't have the SR8012 yet. Very sad.
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the Denon has got a bigger power supply.
I am not sure what are you referring to? In any case, all three flagship models using the same amount of capacitance: 7200, 8012 and the 8500, and the 8500 powers the most number of channels.
I think each one of them works fine.
I used the 7010 and the 7200 with my Dynaudio 4 ohm Confidence Platinums, no issues going loud...
I am confident the 8012 will also drive them well in anger
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The one thing I did find odd is that for "normal" TV viewing (meaning not home theater UHD viewing) my volume setting on the Yamaha was usually around -30 and to get the same volume level with the 8012 I need to be around -17. Maybe a difference between YPAO and Audyssey corrections? My set up is only a 5.1.4 so the Yamaha was maxed out channels wise but I have two to spare on the Marantz. I know the Yamaha's drop in overall output power per channel much quicker than the D&M products based on the measurements I've seen (and that makes sense since the 3050 only has a 400W power supply compared to near double sized power supply in the 8012).

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You gotta measure with an SPL meter, what level of loudness does "-20" on each amp indicate can be quite different...
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You gotta measure with an SPL meter, what level of loudness does "-20" on each amp indicate can be quite different...
I have my suspicions that it was some "muted" background noise (didn't have an empty house at the time like I normally do when I run room correction) when I ran Audyssey as compared to pretty much silent conditions when I last ran YPAO. Maybe that is a contributing factor? Like I said, it was a quick and dirty correction run just to get the 8012 up and running for testing and I plan to redo it soon.

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I usually do a proper calibration only a week or so after running the amp in. YMMV, but the second calibration sounded way better.
Enjoy! It's a great amp
Would have gone for it if it had the potential for HDMI 2.1, even though it uses the current DSP/DACs chipset.
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I usually do a proper calibration only a week or so after running the amp in. YMMV, but the second calibration sounded way better.
Enjoy! It's a great amp
Would have gone for it if it had the potential for HDMI 2.1, even though it uses the current DSP/DACs chipset.
Oh, very happy with it...just pointing out an "oddity" so to speak. As I mentioned before...a much fuller sound and ATMOS comes alive much more than with the Yamaha which seemed to be very subdued. Not a knock on the Yamaha, it's a great receiver, they just ticked me off by not supporting DV like D&M are going to do on the same model year AVRs and it's a feature I need for my set up.

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@jdsmoothie I know you have said that there is no need to bi-amp your front speakers with the 5012, 6012, and 7012. Would you say the same thing is true with the 8012? I know it's designed a little differently, but I don't really know all the particulars.. I have a pair of Klipsch RP-280F's if that is relevant. It's a little confusing since the speakers have double posts, and the manual clearly shows you how to bi-amp and it's included in the AVR settings choices.

Thanks for your insight.. I have read this entire thread even though I just bought a 8012. I picked up a few pointers from you guys. The 8012 thread is still trying to pick up steam as users get it.

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Question Connecting to a NAS?

Have been trying to get my SR8012 to connect to a Synology 216+ NAS. The avr will not "see" the nas. If I run software such as Audirvana or JRiver, both find the NAS. I should at least be able to see the NAS login screen. Marantz "network" support is clueless, so I thought I'd try here. The avr is wired by ethernet as is the NAS, but not directly connected (LAN).
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@jdsmoothie I know you have said that there is no need to bi-amp your front speakers with the 5012, 6012, and 7012. Would you say the same thing is true with the 8012? I know it's designed a little differently, but I don't really know all the particulars.. I have a pair of Klipsch RP-280F's if that is relevant. It's a little confusing since the speakers have double posts, and the manual clearly shows you how to bi-amp and it's included in the AVR settings choices.

Thanks for your insight.. I have read this entire thread even though I just bought a 8012. I picked up a few pointers from you guys. The 8012 thread is still trying to pick up steam as users get it.

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Correct. Using the bi-amp feature on any model will not likely be of any benefit.
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Music, what's that? In all seriousness though, it will see less than 5% of its time on music.
Man that's a shame. Grab a laptop, hook it up, I use You Tube and can jam and watch the video. There are times I get lost in the music and end up having a long jam session. It amazing anyone pays for music when it is free to stream anytime.....
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Hey folks so my sony tv seems to like to sometimes when i turn everything on not really matters how or in what order it will play sound from the tv and what i have to do is turn off the receiver and back on then it changes it to external speakers. What setting do i need to change to make it always play from the receiver?
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Hi to all.
As most of people before buy something i want to make some research. I have a option to buy Onkyo RZ3100 on very good price, but since I saw Marantz sr8012 i think of it. Question is (to people who know) Wich is better? regardless of price.
Both are 11.2 i belive there is no difrence.
1.Sound Quality - DAC's are difrent - Separate 384 kHz/32-bit AK4490 Stereo DAC (Front L/R), 2 x 768 kHz/32-bit AK4458 Multichannel DACs (Surround Channels) is for Onkyo and AKM DAC AK4458 for Marantz - wich is better?
2.THX® Select2™ Plus Certification on Onkyo
3.AccuEQ Room Calibration with AccuReflex Technology vs Audyssey MultEQ XT32
My be there is a lot more difrences. If someone has experience with Onkyo and Marantz can help with solving this puzzle. Your opinion and experience are important to me.
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As most of people before buy something i want to make some research. I have a option to buy Onkyo RZ3100 on very good price, but since I saw Marantz sr8012 i think of it. Question is (to people who know) Wich is better? regardless of price.
Both are 11.2 i belive there is no difrence.
1.Sound Quality - DAC's are difrent - Separate 384 kHz/32-bit AK4490 Stereo DAC (Front L/R), 2 x 768 kHz/32-bit AK4458 Multichannel DACs (Surround Channels) is for Onkyo and AKM DAC AK4458 for Marantz - wich is better?
2.THX® Select2™ Plus Certification on Onkyo
3.AccuEQ Room Calibration with AccuReflex Technology vs Audyssey MultEQ XT32
My be there is a lot more difrences. If someone has experience with Onkyo and Marantz can help with solving this puzzle. Your opinion and experience are important to me.
Excuse me for my poor English. (I'm self-taught)
Since you are asking in a Marantz thread, most will recommend the 8012. On a neutral thread, the conventional wisdom and objective answer would be (1) determine what features you want/need (2) what falls within your budget and (3) let aesthetics and personal preferences break any ties. As flagships, both are similar as they are feature rich. From a room correction system, most here will recommend Audyssey as it's the most popular and owned by and familiar to many. However, the effectiveness of RC systems are room dependent and subject to personal preference. From a price perspective, if you are in the U.S., both have the same MSRP and are commonly found discounted at least 20%...likely different outside the U.S. Since the 3100 and 8012 are more similar than different, IMO, the most important factor is Sound Quality/sound signature and your personal taste and preferences. In this regard, my recommendation if possible, is to audition both with familiar test material. If you're in the U.S. the ideal scenario would be to order both from an authorized dealer with a liberal return policy and listen in your own home with your own material. The next best scenario is listen to both at a local dealer. The opinion of others may offer some perspective but reflect the taste of others. The best AVR for you is determined by your own ears.
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Thanks for quick replay. For me to get those receivers for test is impossible. I am very far away from U.S. (East Europe)Price is almost the same. I ask her because my be here i can find more people with experience with both brands. If someone knows how is the performance of both recievers in same set up (room, speakers etc.). I will try to hear marantz. I have Onkyo RZ810. I have an idea how Onkyo sound.
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Thanks for quick replay. For me to get those receivers for test is impossible. I am very far away from U.S. (East Europe)Price is almost the same. I ask her because my be here i can find more people with experience with both brands. If someone knows how is the performance of both recievers in same set up (room, speakers etc.). I will try to hear marantz. I have Onkyo RZ810. I have an idea how Onkyo sound.
If I had to make a decision at this point, I would likely recommend the 8012. I've heard both the 1100 (identical to 3100 minus 2 amps) and the Marantz 8012 and I personally prefer the Marantz as its what the 3100 should have been when introduced in 2016. I'm sure @zimmo will chime in here as he has also demoed and very familiar with the 3100 and now owns the 8012. Good luck with your decision!
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YES very hard question but for shur I go for marantz sr 8012 ,why because first they onkyo 3100 is comming from 2016 and the 8012 from december 2107 -janvier 2108.


they onkyo 3100 in 2016 comming whit class D bacause onkyo buy pioneer and take some amplification from this company and make amilioration from music but losse the power when they other before model comming whit class A/B.


for me have expérience whit calibration audyssey and new accu eq reflex ,for me a like better accueq is more simple and is easy to calibrate and after calibration ,Ilike to make finish whit manually whit sound level meter.


why I buy marantz sr-8012 ,this receiver comming whit toroidal amplification and this toroidal give you more power same to the onkyo before whit class A/B.


NOW I YHINK AFTER 2 YEAR AND MORE ,onkyo comming eventually whit new model in they end of 2018 or january 2019 ,will see how this new model have Inside amplification.
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