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Because every HDMI connection is HDCP 2.2 compliant, supports 4K UHD HDR video at 60Hz, 4:4:4 Pure Color sub-sampling, BT.2020 pass-through, and supports Atmos & DTS:X. I would like to get the SR8012, since it supports 11 channels of amplification, but since my upstairs media room is a 7.1.4 setup using Triad in-wall/on-wall/in-ceiling speakers, which I believe are all 4 ohm, I would need the latest pre/pro there. I'll be able to run everything through my existing amplifiers. The SR8012 could go in my living room, where I have my Sonance VP88s installed. In my living room, I couldn't use anything more than a 5.1 system because of the layout and the ceiling height, but I definitely need something to support a 4K HDR signal since that's what's fed into my Control4 matrix. Every TV in the house supports 4K HDR and the only component that doesn't support it is my DIRECTV receiver, which supports 4K, just not HDR.
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The two pieces on my radar are the SR8012 (Nov/Dec) and the X8500H (Spring 2018). It’s unfortunate that Onkyo will likely be late (autumn 2018) to the party with a replacement flagship for the RZ3100. The SR8012 at $3000 MSRP looks promising for its capability and feature set and the X8500H at $4000 MSRP??? appears very promising with even greater capability and feature set. In any case, the D+M pieces appear to have an advantage due to Onkyo’s incongruent timing.
Am I correct in assuming that the Denon equivalent/cousin of SR8012 is the 6400, and the Denon X8500 will be the equivalent/cousin of Marantz flagship pre-pro (sans amps)?
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Am I correct in assuming that the Denon equivalent/cousin of SR8012 is the 6400, and the Denon X8500 will be the equivalent/cousin of Marantz flagship pre-pro (sans amps)?
To my knowledge and understanding at this time, equivalents no, distant cousins...probably. Although they roughly share the same hierarchy within their respective lines, the 8012 does not share the same architecture with its 6400 cousin. WRT the 8500 and the Marantz pre-pro, it remains to be seen. Perhaps @jdsmoothie could shed a bit more light on this perspective.

"It's clear by the massive toroidal power supply, dual heatsinks, and monobloc amplifier construction that Marantz is returning to its roots in emphasis in "sound quality first" in AV receivers. We say a decline lately in AV receiver power supplies since the introduction of Atmos. Unlike the other models in the Marantz line, the SR8012 does NOT share a common architecture to sister company Denon counterparts. Instead, this appears to be a completely new design exclusive to Marantz at this time. Seeing the build quality of the SR8012 restores our faith that solid amplification isn't dead in AV receivers. This looks like one tasty amp section that we can't wait to get on our bench for testing."

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@gene4ht , that is a bit surprising, unless there is a Denon coming down the pipe that they are going to cross-platform. Very interesting. I'd love to see one of these up close.
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Am I correct in assuming that the Denon equivalent/cousin of SR8012 is the 6400, and the Denon X8500 will be the equivalent/cousin of Marantz flagship pre-pro (sans amps)?
As is true with all Marantz models, they are a slight step up from their sister Denon models due to the better quality pre-amps and multi analog audio support and now the SR8012 features a toroidal transformer; however, yes, the SR8012 would be the sister model to the X6400H with both of the new "flagship" models X8500H and AV8805 being a "level" up from them both.
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@gene4ht , that is a bit surprising,
Agreed....pure speculation on my part but perhaps each company has a bit more autonomy with respect to design philosophy now that Sound United has completed the acquisition of D+M.

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unless there is a Denon coming down the pipe that they are going to cross-platform. Very interesting.
Possibly...probably depends on what the marketing folks determine to be win/win from a consumer demand and sales perspective.

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I'd love to see one of these up close.
Just a short wait! I believe JD said availability is expected to be the week after Thanksgiving for some dealers and the following week for others.

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Actually I think of the 8012 as a Denon 7200 on steroids. Apart from the Tororidal, the 7200 has most of those specs in it's power section.
So D&M do not need to go nuts on a total re-design. Not when they have the blueprints to the 7200, a very successful flagship AVR that has received widespread positive feedback.

Take the 7200, increase the size of the caps from 44000 uF to what the older classic AVRs had, eg the SR 12 from the reference series of Marantz had 70000 uf for 7 channels. 44000 is the same amount of capacitance as the two channel stereo amp PM 11.

Add the HDAM modules, Toroidal transformer, copper plating, special branded components with cool names like Nichicon, Elko etc, and get Mr Ishiwata to sign on it or breath his special sauce and viola, you have the 8012.
Since it has the same version of HDMI, HDCP etc as the 7200, you can avoid a massive upgrade and tooling process too.

If it sounds good, it will make an excellent spiritual successor to the 7200, and dispel the idea that a certain Marantz model is always based on a lower Denon one
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Actually I think of the 8012 as a Denon 7200 on steroids. Apart from the Tororidal, the 7200 has most of those specs in it's power section.
So D&M do not need to go nuts on a total re-design. Not when they have the blueprints to the 7200, a very successful flagship AVR that has received widespread positive feedback.

Take the 7200, increase the size of the caps from 44000 uF to what the older classic AVRs had, eg the SR 12 from the reference series of Marantz had 70000 uf for 7 channels. 44000 is the same amount of capacitance as the two channel stereo amp PM 11.

Add the HDAM modules, Toroidal transformer, copper plating, special branded components with cool names like Nichicon, Elko etc, and get Mr Ishiwata to sign on it or breath his special sauce and viola, you have the 8012.
Since it has the same version of HDMI, HDCP etc as the 7200, you can avoid a massive upgrade and tooling process too.

If it sounds good, it will make an excellent spiritual successor to the 7200, and dispel the idea that a certain Marantz model is always based on a lower Denon one
Regardless if it's factual or not...I like your thinking! As a hypothetical exercise, what then would be your take on the X8500H?

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Regardless if it's factual or not...I like your thinking! As a hypothetical exercise, what then would be your take on the X8500H?


IMHO, it depends on whether they want to go back to the old Dreadnought class flagships of old. With a weight of 35 kg or more, enough power for a small lighthouse, THX certification and a build that allows you to use it as a stool or structural support..

Otherwise it can also be a 8012 cousin, with a modular HDMI / video board ala the 7200. Swop out the DACs and use some choice parts too, like the 8012, but it can have AKM or even better components from Burr Brown. Even the top end DACs are cheaper than chips (pun intended)..

The Video section can retain the current SHARCs, and other nice bits - with TVs going 4k, it's not a big deal to use very fancy parts.. it's merely good for the ads.
Keep the 'pre-amp' segment, and also the flexibility of assigning the power channels. Add a toroidal too - use the same one from the 8012, and put in about 90000 uF of capacitance. Again stuff like that are cheap.

Differentiating factors can be the sonic signature (yes I do believe amps sound different), that 'pre-amp' section, and a 13 channels preout or ability to go to 9.1.6 or more.

How's that?
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No comparation between 6400 and 8012 just they amplication not same in 6400 is monolith amplification ,is same to 6300 and the 6300 not have to mutch power and 6400 is just 31 pound and the dimention to 6400 is 17 /6 3/4 x15 and the 8012 have amplification toroidal and 38pounds and 6onze and the size is 173/8x73/8x181/8 and the box make samething tank.


and check the price why the 8012 is more expensif.
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IMHO, it depends on whether they want to go back to the old Dreadnought class flagships of old. With a weight of 35 kg or more, enough power for a small lighthouse, THX certification and a build that allows you to use it as a stool or structural support..
I have a fully functional but functionally obsolete Dreadnought class 5800 that is probably 20 years old sitting on a shelf. I wish I could unfreeze it like Kahn and let that beast wreak havoc on some unsuspecting home theater that is ill equipped to deal with its savage and ruthless, animal nature.
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It's partly our fault..
We want value for money, and features galore, but at Walmart prices..
So the manufacturers take away what is low on buyers' radar: power..

You can use that 5800 as a power amp too... makes a good heater in winter as well
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How's that?
Like I said...I like your thinking! Also for the record, that makes at least two of us that believe amps sound different!

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I have a fully functional but functionally obsolete Dreadnought class 5800 that is probably 20 years old sitting on a shelf. I wish I could unfreeze it like Kahn and let that beast wreak havoc on some unsuspecting home theater that is ill equipped to deal with its savage and ruthless, animal nature.
Like the Dreadnoughts you speak of, you guys must be dinosaurs! Truth be told, I owned both the 5600 and 5800!
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Release of the SR8012 has been delayed until Monday, Nov 27 so likely in dealer hands 1st week of December.
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Like the Dreadnoughts you speak of, you guys must be dinosaurs! Truth be told, I owned both the 5600 and 5800!
I'm more of a Marantz man.. so I had the original DP 870, then three models in the Reference Series: SR 19, 18 and 12.. I am looking forward to a regal battleship that harks back to the days when Marantz was like Rolls Royce. When someone ask RR how much power did it have, the answer was : "adequate".... I want my music to leave me breathless, not leave my amp breathless... enuf said...
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Release of the SR8012 has been delayed until Monday, Nov 27 so likely in dealer hands 1st week of December.
But still plenty of time for delivery by Santa!

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Desperate for a side-by-side comparison between this and the Anthem MRX1120...

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Release of the SR8012 has been delayed until Monday, Nov 27 so likely in dealer hands 1st week of December.
A dealer here in Montreal says he's shipping this week. I've ordered one, so we'll see if that comes true. I imagine these were on a boat from Japan, but maybe Canada is getting a different boat than the US.
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Desperate for a side-by-side comparison between this and the Anthem MRX1120...
And for those who can wait until CES and spring...the Denon X8500H...for even greater capability.

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this dealer have the sr8012 from last 2or3 weeks in stock ,I not understand how he have in the stock no body in north america just this dealers ,this very good dealers ,I buy my 4 subs from him very good and fast shipping 1 days I receive but I live in canada you in us take maybe 5 days the custom maybe 2 days for shur.


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Flipping through the UK manual, you will notice the total power consumption is 780W, and given that it powers so many channels, I don't think it will reach anywhere near the specified numbers..
It's 17.4 kg, so that's close to the 7200, plus that toroidal transformer..
I guess 7200 on steroids with more capacitance and the toroidal plus new sexy DACs will be a decent summary of what this is..
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Flipping through the UK manual, you will notice the total power consumption is 780W, and given that it powers so many channels, I don't think it will reach anywhere near the specified numbers..
It's 17.4 kg, so that's close to the 7200, plus that toroidal transformer..
I guess 7200 on steroids with more capacitance and the toroidal plus new sexy DACs will be a decent summary of what this is..
The SR8012 uses the same AK4458 DAC used on all of the 2017 Denon and Marantz models while the X7200WA is using the better quality AK4490 DAC.
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The SR8012 uses the same AK4458 DAC used on all of the 2017 Denon and Marantz models while the X7200WA is using the better quality AK4490 DAC.
Pity
So much for the audiophile aspirations... DACs aren't everything, but surely the incremental cost of using the same DACs as the 7200 won't be much, given the large numbers that they procure..
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So much for the audiophile aspirations... DACs aren't everything, but surely the incremental cost of using the same DACs as the 7200 won't be much, given the large numbers that they procure..
Agreed.
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before I try the denon model 7200 is very very good receiver but the price is vey good to,look for marantz 8012 and denon 8500 the price for usa 3000 us and canada 4000 can and for 8500 is 4000 us or more and canada 5000 or more very expensif .

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there is now in the site to us and canada you see sr8012

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there is now in the site to us and canada you see sr8012
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Just got my SR8012.
Tomorrow is going to be fun!

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Just got my SR8012.
Tomorrow is going to be fun!

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Where are you located, Steve. Mine is ordered, wondering when I'll get it here in Canada

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