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YES very hard question but for shur I go for marantz sr 8012 ,why because first they onkyo 3100 is comming from 2016 and the 8012 from december 2107 -janvier 2108.


they onkyo 3100 in 2016 comming whit class D bacause onkyo buy pioneer and take some amplification from this company and make amilioration from music but losse the power when they other before model comming whit class A/B.


for me have expérience whit calibration audyssey and new accu eq reflex ,for me a like better accueq is more simple and is easy to calibrate and after calibration ,Ilike to make finish whit manually whit sound level meter.


why I buy marantz sr-8012 ,this receiver comming whit toroidal amplification and this toroidal give you more power same to the onkyo before whit class A/B.


NOW I YHINK AFTER 2 YEAR AND MORE ,onkyo comming eventually whit new model in they end of 2018 or january 2019 ,will see how this new model have Inside amplification.
I can audition 7012 but do not know how is in compared to 8012. Here the dealer has only one 8012 and it is not for audition. Sealed box.
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I can audition 7012 but do not know how is in compared to 8012. Here the dealer has only one 8012 and it is not for audition. Sealed box.
As the flagship, the 8012 has a unique architecture onto itself beginning with a massive toroidal transformer in its power supply. IMO, its not a gamble to buy it and you will likely not return it. BTW, what is your listening preference...music? movies?

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As the flagship, the 8012 has a unique architecture onto itself beginning with a massive toroidal transformer in its power supply. IMO, its not a gamble to buy it and you will likely not return it. BTW, what is your listening preference...music? movies?
Not returning mine (bought sight unseen and could only test drive the 7012 as well).
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As the flagship, the 8012 has a unique architecture onto itself beginning with a massive toroidal transformer in its power supply. IMO, its not a gamble to buy it and you will likely not return it. BTW, what is your listening preference...music? movies?
Problem with me (if it count as a problem) that i listen a lot of music and watch a lot of movies. I guess it is 50/50. For the moment for music i use mini PC with installed Daphile. Mini PC is connected with DAC (USB - XMOS based with Dual Mono AK 4495S chips, wich is a very good DAC). DAC is connected to my Onkyo RZ810. This is for audio. For video i have a vidoplayer with internal 2TB hard drive.
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Problem with me (if it count as a problem) that i listen a lot of music and watch a lot of movies. I guess it is 50/50. For the moment for music i use mini PC with installed Daphile. Mini PC is connected with DAC (USB - XMOS based with Dual Mono AK 4495S chips, wich is a very good DAC). DAC is connected to my Onkyo RZ810. This is for audio. For video i have a vidoplayer with internal 2TB hard drive.
Again, just a curiosity question...what capability or functionality are you seeking beyond your 810? The 3100 and 8012 are obviously the flagships of their respective line ups. Are you looking for improved sound quality/signature or expanded capability for 3D sound (Atmos/DTS:X/Auro)...9 or 11 channels? It appears that budget is not a constraint for you. However, both Onkyo and Marantz have models that would easily satisfy expansion needs and capability for far less cost...i.e. Onkyo 1100 or 920...Marantz 7012 or 6012. Many enthusiasts recommend a greater share of budget toward speakers for example and only minimal to moderate budget to electronics as electronics diminishes in value and capability quickly as technology changes. Anyway, not trying to influence...just sharing points of view seen in these threads.
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As the flagship, the 8012 has a unique architecture onto itself beginning with a massive toroidal transformer in its power supply. IMO, its not a gamble to buy it and you will likely not return it. BTW, what is your listening preference...music? movies?
Ya, the odds of that are slim to none. Its great that Marantz and Denon have brought out such a supper high end unit this year

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Again, just a curiosity question...what capability or functionality are you seeking beyond your 810? The 3100 and 8012 are obviously the flagships of their respective line ups. Are you looking for improved sound quality/signature or expanded capability for 3D sound (Atmos/DTS:X/Auro)...9 or 11 channels? It appears that budget is not a constraint for you. However, both Onkyo and Marantz have models that would easily satisfy expansion needs and capability for far less cost...i.e. Onkyo 1100 or 920...Marantz 7012 or 6012. Many enthusiasts recommend a greater share of budget toward speakers for example and only minimal to moderate budget to electronics as electronics diminishes in value and capability quickly as technology changes. Anyway, not trying to influence...just sharing points of view seen in these threads.

As i say every opinion is appreciated. I want to experience the full 7.1.4 Atmos and as best as possible stereo (consider it is not dedicated stereoamp). Idea for me is that 8012 will be for a long, very long time my receiver.
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As i say every opinion is appreciated. I want to experience the full 7.1.4 Atmos and as best as possible stereo (consider it is not dedicated stereoamp). Idea for me is that 8012 will be for a long, very long time my receiver.
Then the 8012 is likely the best AVR for you at this time...primarily because of its favorable reputation for music...presumably due to the HDAM and higher quality components and power supply. In terms of Atmos capability, all of the AVRs I mentioned previously are capable of providing 7.1.4. In terms of long term ownership, current information indicates that the 8012 will not be upgradable to support HDMI 2.1...if that's important for you.
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quote z_harris: As i say every opinion is appreciated. I want to experience the full 7.1.4 Atmos and as best as possible stereo (consider it is not dedicated stereoamp). Idea for me is that 8012 will be for a long, very long time my receiver.


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Then the 8012 is likely the best AVR for you at this time...primarily because of its favorable reputation for music...presumably due to the HDAM and higher quality components and power supply. In terms of Atmos capability, all of the AVRs I mentioned previously are capable of providing 7.1.4. In terms of long term ownership, current information indicates that the 8012 will not be upgradable to support HDMI 2.1...if that's important for you.
I was just going to mention that...if very, very long time is a concern then the Denon x8500 "might" be a better choice (without knowing your TV/supporting cast upgrade habits).
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Denon 8500 is too expencive for me. I do not wach very much on my tv - 6 year old Sony. For the momet i use projektor and 100 inch screen. I will change it to 120 inch. HDMI 2.1 is not something i need.
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Denon 8500 is too expencive for me. I do not wach very much on my tv - 6 year old Sony. For the momet i use projektor and 100 inch screen. I will change it to 120 inch. HDMI 2.1 is not something i need.
Fair enough...my vote then is 8012 (but of course I'm biased having just bought mine ).
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Hey folks, what do i need to change on the HDMI settings on the receiver so my sony tv stops controlling whether audio is directed to the TV Speakers or the Marantz? Sometimes my sony likes to when we first power up the system take the audio and then i have to shut the receiver off then back on then it will say switching to external speakers then problem fixed. But to stop this behavior what particular setting is it that allows this? I would like to still get audio over the HDMI cable from the TV since there are apps we use without breaking that but stopping the control behavior what do i change? If i cant do it that way i can revert to an optical cable for audio handling from the TV if need be.
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Hey folks, what do i need to change on the HDMI settings on the receiver so my sony tv stops controlling whether audio is directed to the TV Speakers or the Marantz? Sometimes my sony likes to when we first power up the system take the audio and then i have to shut the receiver off then back on then it will say switching to external speakers then problem fixed. But to stop this behavior what particular setting is it that allows this? I would like to still get audio over the HDMI cable from the TV since there are apps we use without breaking that but stopping the control behavior what do i change? If i cant do it that way i can revert to an optical cable for audio handling from the TV if need be.
I don't have the 8012 nor a manual handy but it's generally the Audio Return Channel (ARC) setting that controls this function. Your manual should describe this feature and its settings.

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Hey folks, what do i need to change on the HDMI settings on the receiver so my sony tv stops controlling whether audio is directed to the TV Speakers or the Marantz? Sometimes my sony likes to when we first power up the system take the audio and then i have to shut the receiver off then back on then it will say switching to external speakers then problem fixed. But to stop this behavior what particular setting is it that allows this? I would like to still get audio over the HDMI cable from the TV since there are apps we use without breaking that but stopping the control behavior what do i change? If i cant do it that way i can revert to an optical cable for audio handling from the TV if need be.
TV Audio Switching - OFF, (p. 196 Owner's manual)
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hello guys


when I buy my 8012 ,I have before onkyo 3030 and xpa5 gen1 .after fixe and calibrate my 8012 only .

after couple week I put they emotiva xpa5 gen1 whit the 8012 but I not see the différence in the power ,I speak to marantz and the guy from marantz tell me your 8012 is to strong ,that why you not see the difference .


Eventually I put my cinema room more bigger and my new room comming 14 feet large to 28 long and 8 feet hight.


I think to put plus one emotiva xpa7gen3 or in front xpa3gen3 and keep the xpa5 gen1 for other speakers.


OR buy power amplifier parasound a51,anthem p5 or sherbourn p7,outlaw 7900 or earthquake cinénova grande 7 and keep xpa5 gen 1.


whicht one you préfer?

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Try it without any additional power amps, it still work fine.
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hello guys


when I buy my 8012 ,I have before onkyo 3030 and xpa5 gen1 .after fixe and calibrate my 8012 only .

after couple week I put they emotiva xpa5 gen1 whit the 8012 but I not see the différence in the power ,I speak to marantz and the guy from marantz tell me your 8012 is to strong ,that why you not see the difference .


Eventually I put my cinema room more bigger and my new room comming 14 feet large to 28 long and 8 feet hight.


I think to put plus one emotiva xpa7gen3 or in front xpa3gen3 and keep the xpa5 gen1 for other speakers.


OR buy power amplifier parasound a51,anthem p5 or sherbourn p7,outlaw 7900 or earthquake cinénova grande 7 and keep xpa5 gen 1.


whicht one you préfer?
Why do you feel you need external amps? Unless you're driving inefficient speakers, the SR8012 should have more than enough power to play at reference in a room that size. The RZ920 I'm using temporarily easily drives my RF-7II's to reference in my 18'x30'x8' space. And if you're determined to use external amplification, why not consider the AV8805?

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Thank you GENE4HT AND PETETHEROCK


GENE4HT what the différence whit 8805 ,the preamp not have amplification?.

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The 8805 has more audiophile circuitry, and despite not having any power section, it also has a decent sized toroidal.
However it is priced much higher and if you intend to pair it with some budget power amps, I don't think it will do it justice. You are better off keeping the 8012. Add amps when you need it.
I used the 7010 with my 4ohm speakers and I was surprised to find that it sounded better than when I used my Rotel RMB 1585. Sold that the day after.
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Not in the same league, but I had an Audiolab 8200X poweramp (based on an old TAG design I believe) and I, too, found the 7010 to be a superior performer. This with Linn speakers, all of which were 4 ohm.

I currently have the Anthem 720 and am considering swapping to the 8012 as it's within the 14 day return and I can't help but shake the feeling that the Marantz is a better performer. Likely bigger power reserves (2x 12000 in the Anthem vs 2x 22000 capacitors in the Marantz). Anyone got any advice as to whether this is a bad move? Bear in mind, in the UK, the Anthem has been discounted to £2500 whereas the Marantz is £2600. Not sure if that is the same in the US?

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The 8805 has more audiophile circuitry, and despite not having any power section, it also has a decent sized toroidal.
However it is priced much higher and if you intend to pair it with some budget power amps, I don't think it will do it justice. You are better off keeping the 8012. Add amps when you need it.
I used the 7010 with my 4ohm speakers and I was surprised to find that it sounded better than when I used my Rotel RMB 1585. Sold that the day after.
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Not in the same league, but I had an Audiolab 8200X poweramp (based on an old TAG design I believe) and I, too, found the 7010 to be a superior performer. This with Linn speakers, all of which were 4 ohm.

I currently have the Anthem 720 and am considering swapping to the 8012 as it's within the 14 day return and I can't help but shake the feeling that the Marantz is a better performer. Likely bigger power reserves (2x 12000 in the Anthem vs 2x 22000 capacitors in the Marantz). Anyone got any advice as to whether this is a bad move? Bear in mind, in the UK, the Anthem has been discounted to £2500 whereas the Marantz is £2600. Not sure if that is the same in the US?

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I've just changed my Anthem 720 and Lexicon GX7 power amp for the Denon 8500H. If that's any help to you.

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^ forget that, the Denon is going back. the Anthem is miles better.

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^ forget that, the Denon is going back. the Anthem is miles better.
Can you please expand on why you have made this decision?

Are you saying the Anthem WITH the Lexicon amplifier is your preference compared to the Denon by itself or based directly on a comparison of these two receivers alone without external amplifiers?

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Can you please expand on why you have made this decision?

Are you saying the Anthem WITH the Lexicon amplifier is your preference compared to the Denon by itself or based directly on a comparison of these two receivers alone without external amplifiers?
There are others in different threads who disagree with your assessment and have given up their Anthem 720 in favor of the 8012 or the 8500. And as Chucka asks, is your impression based on having or not having external amplification? And/or is it in part based on RC systems...ARC vs XT32?

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There are others in different threads who disagree with your assessment and have given up their Anthem 720 in favor of the 8012 or the 8500. And as Chucka asks, is your impression based on having or not having external amplification? And/or is it in part based on RC systems...ARC vs XT32?
Yes it's all down to ARC vs XT32 I've tried using the Audyssey app but it's still not as good as ARC. The Anthem is just better.

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does anyone know which DACS are used in the 8012. the X8500 uses 4 x AK4490EQ.

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does anyone know which DACS are used in the 8012. the X8500 uses 4 x AK4490EQ.
The SR8012 uses the same DACs as on all of the lower Marantz SR models .... AK4458. Only the "flagship" models (ie. Denon X8500H and Marantz AV8805) use the AK4490EQ.
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boooo. thats sad to hear for such a high price... oh well.

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boooo. thats sad to hear for such a high price... oh well.
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does anyone know which DACS are used in the 8012. the X8500 uses 4 x AK4490EQ.

The AD4490EQ is a two channel unit. Four units would provide output for eight channels. How do you propose that digital-to-analog conversion is provided for the remainder of the channels in the X8500H?
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