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I try 6400 and 8012 before I buy 8012 .the model 8012 beat and eat 6400 ,is not same class the 6400 same to 7012 ,the componants Inside the 8012 is more better and the sound for me only the avr -x8500h and 8805 is ressembler to marantz sr8012.

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I just set-up an 8012 coming from a NAD T777 v2. I didn't want to deal with updating the MDC on the T777 and even with the update the 8012 promised some nice additional features (Auro 3D, etc). In any event I am quite pleased and after running Audessey I think the sound is actually better than where I was the T777, especially with movies. I set up a 7.1.2 Atmos configuration just using some Def Tech bookshelf speakers at the moment for makeshift Atmos speakers. I did order a pair of the Elac Atmos modules for now given that the KEF Q50a are impossible to find at the moment.


The one issue I've had is that I have an Oppo BDP-95 and when I went to play an SACD via HDMI I noticed I had no sound. Same deal with other discs...the analog 7.1 did produce sound. I swapped out the Oppo for another player in the same input on the 8012 so that was fine and the Oppo worked on another receiver. It read on this forum that there was a non-public firmware update for the Oppo that solves the issue as others also had the same issue with the Marantz 8802 and Oppo BDP-95. Has anyone here experienced anything like this and if so, does anyone have the Oppo firmware that solves it? I emailed Oppo support as well and perhaps they still have it. Also, does anyone know if the Marantz remote can change the channels on an Xfinity cable box? Thanks!


UPDATE: Oppo emailed me the link to the firmware (on a Sunday afternoon no less) and that fixed the issue!
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Can anyone guide me to interconnect marantz sr8012 and marantz sr7007 so that i can drive the height channels from sr7007 and in doing so can the unused height channels of sr8012 be bridged to the front channels.
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Can anyone guide me to interconnect marantz sr8012 and marantz sr7007 so that i can drive the height channels from sr7007 and in doing so can the unused height channels of sr8012 be bridged to the front channels.
I could very well be wrong and I'm sure one of our experts will weigh in, but I don't think you can do that.

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I could very well be wrong and I'm sure one of our experts will weigh in, but I don't think you can do that.

The using the 7007's amps to run the heights; or the bridging of the fronts; or both...

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The using the 7007's amps to fun the heights; or the bridging of the fronts; or both...
Bridging.

Receiver speaker outputs usually ground one of the binding posts. Connecting two amps together will ground one of the active outputs and "let the magic smoke out". You need a specially designed amplifier which is designed for bridging.

Using an old receiver as a multichannel amplifier works fine: set its volume control to 80 and connect its multichannel analog inputs to appropriate outputs on the primary receiver. Then run Audyssey in the primary receiver.
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How much of an improvement is the 8012 over my Yamaha 3060? Also, I'm thinking of getting an audio calibration so any calibrator recommendations?
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Not disagreeing, but we do have the report saying it would be offered. I really have no dog in this fight because I have no forseeable need for the full 2.1 feature set, but just want to "officially" put this to bed if we could.
We will know soon enough for sure Marantz / Denon have done updates before like this, so I am sure they can do it again.....

I will note The 84" LG TV was supposed to get a free board upgrade so it could except a 4K signal in, they did release the update at just under $500, not free ...... Sure a company would get bad press for promising something but.......

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Add more amp to 8012

@zimmo

I see that ju are using "1 emotiva xpa 5 gen1,2 emotiva xpa3 gen3" for your Sr8012. I own the SR8012 and wonder if there is going to be a big diffrent to add emotivas amps for preout ?
Running XTZ Cinema 7.2.4 system

Are you using XPA 5 for surround and XPA 3 for RCL and the internal amp for atmos ?

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Looking on the Marantz website it seems that I-Max enhanced will be a firmware upgrade sometime in October for the 8012. It is now listed as part of the features.
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I running alone first they sr 8012 but I change my room for more bigger ,that why I put power amplifier and when I see the film I likre to lesson strong sound .


this receiver (sr8012) is very good ,for now to me is the better sound for other receiver in this catégory.


my first xpa-3 gen3 is collect front speakers (3).
second xpa3-gen3 collect whit 3 surround (side left and right side and and back left side).
xpa-5 gen 1 collect whit 4 atmos top back and front and stay one out ,I put to the back surround right side .


all collect in preout whit cable rca .


the sub (4 subs collect preout)in 2 cables Y .


my cinema home have 7.4.4 and éventually I like to have 15 speakers and for shur I need xpa-5 gen 2 or 3 .

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I running alone first they sr 8012 but I change my room for more bigger ,that why I put power amplifier and when I see the film I likre to lesson strong sound .


this receiver (sr8012) is very good ,for now to me is the better sound for other receiver in this catégory.


my first xpa-3 gen3 is collect front speakers (3).
second xpa3-gen3 collect whit 3 surround (side left and right side and and back left side).
xpa-5 gen 1 collect whit 4 atmos top back and front and stay one out ,I put to the back surround right side .


all collect in preout whit cable rca .


the sub (4 subs collect preout)in 2 cables Y .


my cinema home have 7.4.4 and éventually I like to have 15 speakers and for shur I need xpa-5 gen 2 or 3 .
Hi
Thanks for your quick feedback.
I will test a emotiva 3ch for LRC or perhaps a 7ch for base-layout and see if thats improve. Or just a 3ch for RLC and 4ch for the other or 6 ch(furture proof for 9.x setup) when RMC-1 hit´s the market
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dont forget they xpa-gen 3 have more power ex; xpa3gen1or 2 have 200 watts each chanels ,xpa3gen3 have 275 watts each chanels. all gen3 have more power except


xpa7 gen3 have 200watts each chanels.


now we have new model xpa-dr1-2-3-whit very more power see in site émotiva but more expensif.

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Can anyone guide me to interconnect marantz sr8012 and marantz sr7007 so that i can drive the height channels from sr7007 and in doing so can the unused height channels of sr8012 be bridged to the front channels.

Bridging amplifiers requires access to an inverted signal to drive one of the amplifiers. How do propose to obtain this inverted signal?

The amplifiers in AVR's, including the SR8012, are quite limited in their ability to provide current to a load (loudspeaker). The voltage on the power rails drops as the output and thus current increases. Bridging coulds provide double the voltage output (in a perfect world) if more current were available. Since the amplifiers are already current limited there is no additional current available. No added output is the best case. The SR8012 is not designed for its amplifier channels to be bridged so the results are unpredictable.
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Bridging amplifiers requires access to an inverted signal to drive one of the amplifiers. How do propose to obtain this inverted signal?

The amplifiers in AVR's, including the SR8012, are quite limited in their ability to provide current to a load (loudspeaker). The voltage on the power rails drops as the output and thus current increases. Bridging coulds provide double the voltage output (in a perfect world) if more current were available. Since the amplifiers are already current limited there is no additional current available. No added output is the best case. The SR8012 is not designed for its amplifier channels to be bridged so the results are unpredictable.
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The using the 7007's amps to run the heights; or the bridging of the fronts; or both...
using the height channel on marantz sr7007 is the first option and bridging marantz sr8012 if possible
is the second option
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using the height channel on marantz sr7007 is the first option and bridging marantz sr8012 if possible
is the second option
I tried connecting the height channels on the marantz sr7007 after taking the pre out from marantz sr8012, could not get any sound off the speakers. do i have to change any settings in the sr8012 and sr7007.
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I tried connecting the height channels on the marantz sr7007 after taking the pre out from marantz sr8012, could not get any sound off the speakers. do i have to change any settings in the sr8012 and sr7007.
The SR8012 pre-outs are always hot. Connect the SR8012 Height 1 and Height 2 pre-outs to the SR7007 [7.1 CH IN] FL/FR and SL/SR inputs with the speakers connected to the SR7007 FL/FR and SL/SR speaker posts. On the SR7007 set the volume to 80/0dB and the <INPUT MODE> to "7.1 CH IN". Run Audyssey on the SR8012.
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Does Audessy downsample to 48khz on the SR8012? I have my PC connected to mine for gaming and was wondering if I should set windows output to 96khz or will it just be dowmsampled by audessy.


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Does Audessy downsample to 48khz on the SR8012? I have my PC connected to mine for gaming and was wondering if I should set windows output to 96khz or will it just be dowmsampled by audessy.


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Unfortunately Audyssey still downsamples in D&M equipment. You'll have to disable it (e.g. use Direct) to get higher bitrates. Enabling Audyssey also might result in a perceptible lag when playing some "twitch" games. See pages 184 and 199 of the SR8012's owner's manual for other audio and video settings that can be optimized for gameplay. If you don't have a copy, the manual can be downloaded from http://manuals.marantz.com/sr8012/na/en/

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[quote=Selden Ball;56838276]Unfortunately Audyssey still downsamples in D&M equipment. You'll have to disable it (e.g. use Direct) to get higher bitrates. Enabling Audyssey also might result in a perceptible lag when playing some "twitch" games. See pages 184 and 199 of the SR8012's owner's manual for other audio and video settings that can be optimized for gameplay.


Thanks mate, I've set to direct mode for the PC and output to 24bit/96khz.
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Unfortunately Audyssey still downsamples in D&M equipment. You'll have to disable it (e.g. use Direct) to get higher bitrates. Enabling Audyssey also might result in a perceptible lag when playing some "twitch" games. See pages 184 and 199 of the SR8012's owner's manual for other audio and video settings that can be optimized for gameplay.
Thanks mate, I've set to direct mode for the PC and output to 24bit/96khz.
Be sure to listen carefully to the results. Many people find the improvements provided by Audyssey to be greater than those provided by higher bitrates.

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I've done a bit of googling and what little I can find on the subject, audyssey lag is as much as using bass management. Using dynamic EQ increases lag quite a bit. Not sure if this is correct or not though

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Be sure to listen carefully to the results. Many people find the improvements provided by Audyssey to be greater than those provided by higher bitrates.
Are there any documented benefits for sample rates over 48 kHz for audio?
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Are there any documented benefits for sample rates over 48 kHz for audio?
I'm not sure what you mean by "documented". Many people have posted here on AVS how high sampling-rate soundtracks sound better to them than 44.1k (CD) and 48k (DVD) sampling rates do. There are even some tests where you can find out if you can hear the differences. Some people report being able to reliably hear a difference and others report that they can't. Also, it seems that some high sampling rate soundtracks contain only silence or noise above 20KHz, not anything related to the actual musical content.

However, some related problems are that if a speaker's tweeter which was designed for audible frequencies is actually driven with soundtracks containing high amplitudes of high frequencies, it's likely to introduce its own distortions (including aliasing down to frequencies that are audible) and/or be damaged by the overheating caused by the ultrasonic content.

Some of the audibility threads are

https://www.avsforum.com/forum/91-au...-take-2-a.html (7/10/2014)
https://www.avsforum.com/forum/91-au...ts-so-far.html (7/28/2014)
https://www.avsforum.com/forum/91-au...res-audio.html (3/18/2016)

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I was finally able to pull the trigger on a new Marantz SR-8012 and should have it around 10/1/18. This will be replacing my Pioneer Elite SC-05 and it will be nice to have all the features the 8012 will give me over what I had before. I do have some SACD's and some DVD-A's that I look forward to listening through the new receiver. Anyone have any set up tips for when I get my receiver? This will also be my first receiver with Audyssey room correction so it is going to be fun.
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...Anyone have any set up tips for when I get my receiver? This will also be my first receiver with Audyssey room correction so it is going to be fun.
Get a microphone boom/stand to hold the Audyssey mic. Far better results and much faster to reposition the mic for the eight measurement locations than fiddling with the rocket ship.

"rocket ship" <- the supplied cardboard stand for the mic.

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Years ago I built an adapter to help with using a mic boom for Audyssey calibrations. The white surface is a rubberized / non-slip type of paint on stuff. The bubble level is glued on and really helps with quickly ensuring the microphone is pointed straight up.
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For new owners, I'd suggest buying the $20 Audyssey app off the bat, and running your measurements through that instead of the receiver. If you run it through the receiver first, you'll have to redo the whoop whoop whoop setup again if you later decide you want to take advantage of the adjustment flexibility offered through the app.
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Get a microphone boom/stand to hold the Audyssey mic. Far better results and much faster to reposition the mic for the eight measurement locations than fiddling with the rocket ship.

"rocket ship" <- the supplied cardboard stand for the mic.
I have a camera tripod will that work?

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I have a camera tripod will that work?
Never did well enough for me.

Problem with a camera tripod is it is designed to be a stable foundation straight up through the center of balance of the tripod. Straight up / down.

Whereas mic booms are designed to stick the mic 'over there' off to the side of the stand.

Whatever works for you by definition works. Me, I wish I had spent the thirty dollars or so for a mic stand at least a decade earlier than I did rather than fiddling with the camera tripod year after year.
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I will price one and see how much I can get one but right now I am waiting for my employment agency to find me another job. I already had this receiver bought and paid for before my job ended.

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