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Did anyone go from a Denon AVR-X4400 to the SR8012? If so, is there a significant difference, subtle difference, etc.?
Funny I went from the AV8801 to AVR-X3400H to AVR-X4400H and before deciding on the finalist for the HT room, I compared all of them in my 2 channel system using one of the preamp and power amp as reference. Subjectively I thought the AVR-X3400H sounded best, but all 3 sounded virtually the same to me. Then I ran REW, as expected, the curves looked practically the same for each combinations tested. The main difference in the audio path between the Denon and the Marantz is the HDAM modules, in theory that should be transparent but in practice could cut both ways. Based on my observations, there is no way I would pay extras for the AV8805 or SR8012 models for better sound quality, but for the superior build quality only. Settled with the Denon in the HT room, used as pre pro only but would not hesitate to use it as avr if needs arise (hopefully not), as I always stay clear from reference level.
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Thanks a lot, gene4ht. I completely agree with your point it totally makes sense. I will try to hear 8012 before making my decision.
In addition to the information already provided, I would add that you will be going from the ex flagship AK4490 to the AK4458, that is a down grade that may or may not offset the presumably advantages offered by the HDAM modules when using HDMI, OPT or coax inputs. Also, toroidal transformer does not always mean better. Based on available historic bench test SN and XT, Denon seemed to do better more often than not but both were excellent. Denon's EI-transformer has the copper wrap (visible) and custom wound so it could/should have been wound to minimize flux leakage. I assume they had reason to go with EI in their flag ship models. On the subjective side, as mentioned by others, you have to decide, and it is tough to do a proper AB comparison. Most Marantz owners would naturally prefer Marantz, they paid more and expect better SQ, though some might simply prefer their look.
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Funny I went from the AV8801 to AVR-X3400H to AVR-X4400H and before deciding on the finalist for the HT room, I compared all of them in my 2 channel system using one of the preamp and power amp as reference. Subjectively I thought the AVR-X3400H sounded best, but all 3 sounded virtually the same to me. Then I ran REW, as expected, the curves looked practically the same for each combinations tested. The main difference in the audio path between the Denon and the Marantz is the HDAM modules, in theory that should be transparent but in practice could cut both ways. Based on my observations, there is no way I would pay extras for the AV8805 or SR8012 models for better sound quality, but for the superior build quality only. Settled with the Denon in the HT room, used as pre pro only but would not hesitate to use it as avr if needs arise (hopefully not), as I always stay clear from reference level.
Thanks for the reply avman09. I ended up replacing my X4400 with the new Marantz AV7705 processor. I am pretty impressed with it. To me it’s a nice upgrade. I still really like the X4400 and put it in my basement system. I agree with you, they are pretty similar sounding. The 7705 provides a bit more detail and resolution. A cleaner sound to my ears. Bob
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you need friend whit électronic store same me.


first time in this summer 2018 I try receiver 8500 and 8805 and 8012 whit 11 chanels for me and my friend the 8012 have the same sound in 11 chanels whit cinema but in music whit 8012 is little bit better.


for now ,the 8500 and 8805 ,apart 2 more speakers not have to mutch difference whit the sound and power.


that why I buy 8012 and this receiver you need try to see what he have Inside.
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just ordered one. hopefully i will arrive on Monday...

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guys did u purchase the AUDESSEY app on your Phone? thanks


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im very happy with my new receiver . love the sound so much punch and warmth compare to my previous receivers


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Congrats! Curious...other than the Yamaha, what were your previous receivers? And what are your thoughts to those who continue to say all receivers/amps sound the same?

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thanks my previous receiver were not flagship models only
mid levels like yamaha 775 and denon 3802 and old yamaha pro logic era.. hahahaha btw my room is treated so i do not need that music power. can turn the volume to the max on this thing ...


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Yes i have the audyssey mobile app, it is extremely user friendly and the sound can be tailored to your taste.
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Dear folks, I am coming from Marantz SR7007 to SR8012, and immediately noticed the sound quality and the superiority with my Emotiva 11.1 surround sound system, with velodyne dd12 sw.

I find Marantz SR8012 produces tremendous amount of bass, even though the bass level in marantz is kept at -6 and a very low 10 in the velodyne sub in my 3200 cuft home theatre. Hence i dropped the idea of a second SW.

When playing stereo is enhanced to dolby surround in 11.1, i find it to be superior to dts and auro 3d.
No doubt there is more bass in dts and much more bass in auro 3d, but the clarity of high frequency and midrange and the tight bass is much more superior in dolby surround.

Where as for movies i find any surround sound is dependant on the software, hence very difficult to judge provided you can sample all the surround sound formats in one movie.

Extremely content with Marantz SR8012
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Dear folks, I am coming from Marantz SR7007 to SR8012, and immediately noticed the sound quality and the superiority with my Emotiva 11.1 surround sound system, with velodyne dd12 sw.

I find Marantz SR8012 produces tremendous amount of bass, even though the bass level in marantz is kept at -6 and a very low 10 in the velodyne sub in my 3200 cuft home theatre. Hence i dropped the idea of a second SW.

When playing stereo is enhanced to dolby surround in 11.1, i find it to be superior to dts and auro 3d.
No doubt there is more bass in dts and much more bass in auro 3d, but the clarity of high frequency and midrange and the tight bass is much more superior in dolby surround.

Where as for movies i find any surround sound is dependant on the software, hence very difficult to judge provided you can sample all the surround sound formats in one movie.

Extremely content with Marantz SR8012
Adding a second sub has more to do with coverage across all seats rather than simply adding more bass. In some cases, the difference in bass from one end of the couch to the other is quite noticeable.
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Yes i agree the bass is spread evenly when a second sw is added. At the same time i would like to add that 10 seat positions out of 12 seats in 3 rows i find the bass is almost even with hardly noticeable difference.
May be because of my home theatre design which i built from scratch with my limited knowledge i must have got lucky.

As per your advice and many other expert's views, i will try a second Subwoofer and shall share my experience in this forum.
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Dear folks, I am coming from Marantz SR7007 to SR8012, and immediately noticed the sound quality and the superiority with my Emotiva 11.1 surround sound system, with velodyne dd12 sw.

I find Marantz SR8012 produces tremendous amount of bass, even though the bass level in marantz is kept at -6 and a very low 10 in the velodyne sub in my 3200 cuft home theatre. Hence i dropped the idea of a second SW.
I wholeheartedly agree. When I had the 8012 in my HT, all things being equal, the 8012 immediately distinguished itself from all other current AVR's (including the 8500) in bass performance. I suspect Marantz's return to classic build and component choices (particularly power supply) and quality are likely responsible.

With regard to needing or wanting multiple subwoofers: It really depends on your particular room's acoustic properties, number and location of subs, and number and location of seating positions. Adding a second sub will generally improve FR over a greater area, provide up to 6db of additional output, and provide additional headroom. However, the extent of these improvements/benefits will be dependent of sub location and proper set up. Whether any of these gains are important to you...only you can decide.

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Hi, great thread and impressive knowledge on display here so i was hoping someone have an idea whats wrong with my 8012.


Nothing serious but its kinda annoying. So when i listen to music from my pc or uhdplayer, really any 2 channel source and i wanna mix things up and listen to it upmixed to Dolby surround just for kicks im getting a low distorted noise from the speakers. Can still hear the music but in the background i can clearly hear a distortion and its only when im using Dolby surround mode.

Playing a cd from the uhd player and i get the same distortion but the right front speaker is now gone, no music through it but i can hear that low distortion coming out.

Dts Neural:X works fine so does every other mode except Dolby surround. I cant swear when this happened but im pretty sure it didnt exist before the latest firmware was released.

So my question i guess is, have anyone had the same problem or something similiar or knows what the heck is going on?
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Hi, great thread and impressive knowledge on display here so i was hoping someone have an idea whats wrong with my 8012.


Nothing serious but its kinda annoying. So when i listen to music from my pc or uhdplayer, really any 2 channel source and i wanna mix things up and listen to it upmixed to Dolby surround just for kicks im getting a low distorted noise from the speakers. Can still hear the music but in the background i can clearly hear a distortion and its only when im using Dolby surround mode.

Playing a cd from the uhd player and i get the same distortion but the right front speaker is now gone, no music through it but i can hear that low distortion coming out.

Dts Neural:X works fine so does every other mode except Dolby surround. I cant swear when this happened but im pretty sure it didnt exist before the latest firmware was released.

So my question i guess is, have anyone had the same problem or something similiar or knows what the heck is going on?
When encountering strange problems, the first thing to do is what's called a "soft reset". In other words, unplug the AVR from wall power for about 10 minutes. That'll provide enough time for all of the power supply's capacitors to fully discharge and all of the RAM to be cleared out.

I've seen posts by people complaining of a similar problem being caused in some receiver models by the most recent (August) firmware update. You might try downloading the firmware from the Marantz Web site. They usually don't update for a while after the network firmware has been released, so the May release might still be available. You also would need to disable automatic network firmware updates, letting them be installed only after others have reported that they're OK. Sadly, it seems that D&M's firmware quality control has gone downhill during the past year.

Also, please read through the first several posts in this thread. Among other useful information, a button combination is described there (in post 4) which resets the AVR to the original version of firmware which was installed at the factory.
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When encountering strange problems, the first thing to do is what's called a "soft reset". In other words, unplug the AVR from wall power for about 10 minutes. That'll provide enough time for all of the power supply's capacitors to fully discharge and all of the RAM to be cleared out.

I've seen posts by people complaining of a similar problem being caused in some receiver models by the most recent (August) firmware update. You might try downloading the firmware from the Marantz Web site. They usually don't update for a while after the network firmware has been released, so the May release might still be available. You also would need to disable automatic network firmware updates, letting them be installed only after others have reported that they're OK. Sadly, it seems that D&M's firmware quality control has gone downhill during the past year.

Also, please read through the first several posts in this thread. Among other useful information, a button combination is described there (in post 4) which resets the AVR to the original version of firmware which was installed at the factory.
Thank you Selden Ball, problem solved

I tried the soft reset to no avail, so i made a backup of my settings and headed straight for the firmware reset. Marantz didnt have the firmware i wanted so it had to be the factory ones and lo and behold, Dolby surround works like a charm again.


Now for research purpose i could update the reciever again with the latest firmware, as the dolby surround mode isnt something i use regulary.



Maybe it was a bad install the first time around?
Would be nice if anyone with the latest firmware played a 2 channel source and tried the Dolby surround mode, just to see if its a bad install on my reciever or the firmware really is broken.
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Hi, how do you change sound levels for each channel after running Audyssey? Bought a nice SR8012 recently and ran the calibration process; results had shown that SR was 5db higher and was audibly noticeable, I want to fine-tune this with my ear instead...

I further went into the manual setup under Settings>Speakers...where a test tone for each channel can be applied but, to my surprise, found all channels to be at 0db level instead of the same measure found in the test result. Should I just rerun the test then? thx
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When encountering strange problems, the first thing to do is what's called a "soft reset". In other words, unplug the AVR from wall power for about 10 minutes. That'll provide enough time for all of the power supply's capacitors to fully discharge and all of the RAM to be cleared out.

I've seen posts by people complaining of a similar problem being caused in some receiver models by the most recent (August) firmware update. You might try downloading the firmware from the Marantz Web site. They usually don't update for a while after the network firmware has been released, so the May release might still be available. You also would need to disable automatic network firmware updates, letting them be installed only after others have reported that they're OK. Sadly, it seems that D&M's firmware quality control has gone downhill during the past year.

Also, please read through the first several posts in this thread. Among other useful information, a button combination is described there (in post 4) which resets the AVR to the original version of firmware which was installed at the factory.
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Thank you Selden Ball, problem solved

I tried the soft reset to no avail, so i made a backup of my settings and headed straight for the firmware reset. Marantz didnt have the firmware i wanted so it had to be the factory ones and lo and behold, Dolby surround works like a charm again.

Now for research purpose i could update the reciever again with the latest firmware, as the dolby surround mode isnt something i use regulary.

Maybe it was a bad install the first time around?
Would be nice if anyone with the latest firmware played a 2 channel source and tried the Dolby surround mode, just to see if its a bad install on my reciever or the firmware really is broken.

These kinds of "strange" issues are beginning to be commonplace for digital electronics and are not isolated to any particular product or manufacturer...various AVS threads have many examples. Some are attributed to the quality of or faulty FW upgrades, internet connection issues, power issues, etc. Sometimes with no obvious explanation, digital electronics just goes into indeterminate states. As suggested by @Selden Ball , it's always a good idea to try a "soft" and then a "hard" reset in an attempt to restore normal functionality. Finally, it's probably a good idea to (1) disable automatic installation of FW upgrades and (2) wait to install FW upgrades until others have reported successful installs, and (3) even decline to install FW upgrades unless it's deemed necessary or actually beneficial for you.

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So far very impressed with this unit. XT32 makes a huge difference - dialogue clarity and intelligibility are markedly improved; the wall of sound imaging created by my fronts meshes well with the surrounds, vastly improving what I normally hear from my NR1602 unit. It's a placeholder until all upgrade-able feature become standard but this might stay with me a bit longer.

By the way has anyone heard or tried the new Marantz PM/SA-KI Ruby in their Reference series? I still have a soft spot for stereo listening and was quite tempted; however I wonder if it makes more sense to just get the SACD version, instead of their combo, then have SR8012 do the power-handling.
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Hi, how do you change sound levels for each channel after running Audyssey? Bought a nice SR8012 recently and ran the calibration process; results had shown that SR was 5db higher and was audibly noticeable, I want to fine-tune this with my ear instead...

I further went into the manual setup under Settings>Speakers...where a test tone for each channel can be applied but, to my surprise, found all channels to be at 0db level instead of the same measure found in the test result. Should I just rerun the test then? thx
MANUAL SETUP - Speakers - Levels - Test Tones should initially display a copy of the AUDYSSEY SETUP results which can be edited. These speaker/sub settings apply "globally" to all sources and are in most cases all negative. The fact your settings showed all 0's indicates there is a problem with the Audyssey Setup you performed. Only if you go to OPTION - CHANNEL LEVEL ADJUST when a specific source is selected would one expect to see all 0's as the initial setting as any changes made here would be in addition to whatever is listed in MANUAL SETUP.
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MANUAL SETUP - Speakers - Levels - Test Tones should initially display a copy of the AUDYSSEY SETUP results which can be edited. These speaker/sub settings apply "globally" to all sources and are in most cases all negative. The fact your settings showed all 0's indicates there is a problem with the Audyssey Setup you performed. Only if you go to OPTION - CHANNEL LEVEL ADJUST when a specific source is selected would one expect to see all 0's as the initial setting as any changes made here would be in addition to whatever is listed in MANUAL SETUP.
Hi JD, there was a phase error on my RFH speaker while running the test which I chose to ignore and proceeded after confirming that it was properly connected. do you think that might’ve have caused or negated settings to reflect on the test tone speaker level display? otherwise I’m screwed as even my older unit allowed me to edit each ch level after running such test.

I’ll have to check the OPTION button when I get home. I thought it only applies to certain inputs, such as HEOS music...but if it applies to what’s listed in the MANUAL SETUP (assuming there was no problem) then I should expect to see the resulted settings.
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Hi JD, there was a phase error on my RFH speaker while running the test which I chose to ignore and proceeded after confirming that it was properly connected. do you think that might’ve have caused or negated settings to reflect on the test tone speaker level display? otherwise I’m screwed as even my older unit allowed me to edit each ch level after running such test.

I’ll have to check the OPTION button when I get home. I thought it only applies to certain inputs, such as HEOS music...but if it applies to what’s listed in the MANUAL SETUP (assuming there was no problem) then I should expect to see the resulted settings.
Nope, phase error wouldn't have caused this issue. The results apparently weren't saved. Did you save them as the final step?
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Nope, phase error wouldn't have caused this issue. The results apparently weren't saved. Did you save them as the final step?
Ah bingo! don't recall saving...just pulling the mic out after analysis was 100% completed or something to that effect. Results though had shown all the (-) measure for each channel so that's where I assumed the process went smoothly. I'll double-check it later, thanks.
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So I am moving from my Anthem MRX-720 to the SR8012 (keeping my MCA 225). Loved the Anthem. Between the flexibility and ARC it is really an excellent piece of equipment if you are all digital. I would have kept it except I got an Oppo 205 and wanted something with Multi-Ch inputs so I could take advantage of the analog outputs in the Oppo. I tried multiple ways to incorporate the sub with the Anthem. (No ARC and Analog Processed Only, running Speaker wire to Sub with no processing) It sounded good but figured I'd try the Marantz with 30 days to return and a price from an authorized dealer that was better than a refurb price and A4Less. Finally got everything working the way I wanted - with the Oppo doing all the work for bass management to my Martin Logan Theo and Velodyne DD15. It's frankly the best my "man room" has sounded since my days with the Anthem D2 and A5. What is interesting is that the Marantz gets very warm even with the MCA 225 doing the heavy lifting on the Logans. Had to rearrange my shelves to give it more room because there isn't a lot of room with both of them in the middle of my Salamander cabinet. Marantz is a tall receiver compared to the Anthem.

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Just installed the eARC update. Was notified via HEOS app on my Ipad. So far ok.
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Hi to all Marantz fans. A lot of you have experience with placing speakers for atmos and auro 3d. Question: what is the best config. in speaker setings on the receiver? I try FHL/FHR and TML/TMR but when i play Auro on the info of the receiver shows that only FHL/FHR are active. Is it posible to play atmos and auro with 4 active high speakers?
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