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Hi to all Marantz fans. A lot of you have experience with placing speakers for atmos and auro 3d. Question: what is the best config. in speaker setings on the receiver? I try FHL/FHR and TML/TMR but when i play Auro on the info of the receiver shows that only FHL/FHR are active. Is it posible to play atmos and auro with 4 active high speakers?
Yes, but you must configure them as Front Height L/R and Rear Height L/R.
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Hi to all Marantz fans. A lot of you have experience with placing speakers for atmos and auro 3d. Question: what is the best config. in speaker setings on the receiver? I try FHL/FHR and TML/TMR but when i play Auro on the info of the receiver shows that only FHL/FHR are active. Is it posible to play atmos and auro with 4 active high speakers?
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Yes, but you must configure them as Front Height L/R and Rear Height L/R.
JD, do we need to re-run Audyssey whenever we switch height-channel layouts – for my case, from Side Height to Top Rear, so I can try Atmos in 7.x.4 config (FH will be transposed at the Top Fronts)?

Currently have mine at Front/Side Heights for Auro-3D which sounds enveloping with nice smooth highs…However with that layout when I play a non-encoded Auro-3D disc or switch back to my preferred upmixer Neural X – the effect of add’l Side Height channels seems to decrease definition to my front wall soundstage and introduce those detail to the sides. I even sometimes hear reverbing effects to the surrounds which sounded unnatural so had to lower volume levels for each surrounding channel. It was evident in some of the musical segments in Greatest Show on Earth…

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JD, do we need to re-run Audyssey whenever we switch height-channel layouts – for my case, from Side Height to Top Rear, so I can try Atmos in 7.x.4 config (FH will be transposed at the Top Fronts)?

Currently have mine at Front/Side Heights for Auro-3D which sounds enveloping with nice smooth highs…However with that layout when I play a non-encoded Auro-3D disc or switch back to my preferred upmixer Neural X – the effect of add’l Side Height channels seems to decrease definition to my front wall soundstage and introduce those detail to the sides. I even sometimes hear reverbing effects to the surrounds which sounded unnatural so had to lower volume levels for each surrounding channel. It was evident in some of the musical segments in Greatest Show on Earth…
Yes. When the AMP ASSIGN is changed to list new speaker "labels" (even if they have been previously EQ'd under a different label), Audyssey will be disabled until you either run Audyssey again or revert back to the original configuration when Audyssey was previously run.
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I wholeheartedly agree. When I had the 8012 in my HT, all things being equal, the 8012 immediately distinguished itself from all other current AVR's (including the 8500) in bass performance. I suspect Marantz's return to classic build and component choices (particularly power supply) and quality are likely responsible.
Using cheap parts can make or break a unit and from what I see the cost difference is not that much per unit.....
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Using cheap parts can make or break a unit
Wholeheartedly agree...and it appears Marantz went in the proper direction...returning to the Saul Marantz era in terms of quality and performance.

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and from what I see the cost difference is not that much per unit.....
Yes...but over 1000's or 10's of thousands of units...and Marantz still chose to go the extra mile.

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Also got the eArc firmware update. I guess I don't have what to use with, but to inform who does.

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Also got the eArc firmware update. I guess I don't have what to use with, but to inform who does.
AFAIK, there are currently no eARC enabled TVs.

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AFAIK, there are currently no eARC capable TVs.
I supposed so, but who knows...

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AFAIK, there are currently no eARC capable TVs.
Plenty "capable" just not yet enabled.

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Plenty "capable" just not yet enabled.
Good point. Edited my post.
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I got the eARC update today. Does that mean that it will support HDMI 2.1?
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I got the eARC update today. Does that mean that it will support HDMI 2.1?
Nope. It means it supports eARC.
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So ill be coming over from a Pioneer SC-LX801 to the Marantz SR8012 anyone know of any Black Friday sales on this unit?
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Nope. It means it supports eARC.

ok... allow me to explain what I meant with my question...in technology you need the hardware to support the software. There are three things to consider with HDMI 2.1:
1. Hardware (TV, AVR, Blu-Ray, Source)
2. High Speed Cable
3. Software: eARC


A High Speed 6 feet (1.8 meters) HDMI cable from can perform:
1. 8k - 4320p (60-120Hz) & 4k - 2160p (60-120Hz) & can also do 10K (60-120Hz) for commercial AV
2. up to 192 bit/px [?]
3. Supports up to 48 Gbps for uncompressed A/V

eARC (via update)
1. 32 channels of audio
2. 24bit/192kHz
3. up to 48 Gbps

Enhanced Audio Return Channel (eARC) is a feature of HDMI 2.1. I keep reading that older devices (AVRs) don't support eARC. Our "aging" SR 8012 just got eARC via update. New configurations will require eARC to support both TV and devices, including our SR 8012, to support HDMI 2.1.

In other words if we had a TV with eARC, a Blu-Ray with eARC, an 8k movie source, a High Speed HDMI Cable and right in the middle our beautiful SR 8012 with eARC - we can safely say that we can play that movie at 8k/60-120Hz?

Since eARC is a feature of HDMI 2.1 and it requires the hardware to support it - then back to my original question which I keep asking myself, we have the hardware to support HDMI 2.1 and now we have the software eARC - are we, SR 8012 owners, HDMI 2.1 compliant now?

If yes -GREAT! if not WHY?

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ok... allow me to explain what I meant with my question...in technology you need the hardware to support the software. There are three things to consider with HDMI 2.1:
1. Hardware (TV, AVR, Blu-Ray, Source)
2. High Speed Cable
3. Software: eARC


A High Speed 6 feet (1.8 meters) HDMI cable from can perform:
1. 8k - 4320p (60-120Hz) & 4k - 2160p (60-120Hz) & can also do 10K (60-120Hz) for commercial AV
2. up to 192 bit/px [?]
3. Supports up to 48 Gbps for uncompressed A/V

eARC (via update)
1. 32 channels of audio
2. 24bit/192kHz
3. up to 48 Gbps

Enhanced Audio Return Channel (eARC) is a feature of HDMI 2.1. I keep reading that older devices (AVRs) don't support eARC. Our "aging" SR 8012 just got eARC via update. New configurations will require eARC to support both TV and devices, including our SR 8012, to support HDMI 2.1.

In other words if we had a TV with eARC, a Blu-Ray with eARC, an 8k movie source, a High Speed HDMI Cable and right in the middle our beautiful SR 8012 with eARC - we can safely say that we can play that movie at 8k/60-120Hz?

Since eARC is a feature of HDMI 2.1 and it requires the hardware to support it - then back to my original question which I keep asking myself, we have the hardware to support HDMI 2.1 and now we have the software eARC - are we, SR 8012 owners, HDMI 2.1 compliant now?

If yes -GREAT! if not WHY?
ARC/eARC only applies to a TV (not a BDP) and then also is only referring to "audio" returning from the TV to the AVR, not video. The eARC update simply enabled the ability to receive HD audio from an eARC enabled TV. None of the currently released AVR/AVP models have the HDMI 2.1 hardware required (as it's still in testing by the mfrs) to pass an 8k video signal. Other than the current "flagship" Denon X8500H and Marantz AV8805 units which must be sent in to United Radio for the HDMI 2.1 hardware upgrade (summer 2019?), we're not likely to see HDMI 2.1 models released any earlier than fall 2019 (more likely 2020), possibly on the SR8014.

Also note, that eARC will only pass over a cable with ethernet capability built-in as well.
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ARC/eARC only applies to a TV (not a BDP) and then also is only referring to "audio" returning from the TV to the AVR, not video. The eARC update simply enabled the ability to receive HD audio from an eARC enabled TV. None of the currently released AVR/AVP models have the HDMI 2.1 hardware required (as it's still in testing by the mfrs) to pass an 8k video signal. Other than the current "flagship" Denon X8500H and Marantz AV8805 units which must be sent in to United Radio for the HDMI 2.1 hardware upgrade (summer 2019?), we're not likely to see HDMI 2.1 models released any earlier than fall 2019 (more likely 2020), possibly on the SR8014.

Also note, that eARC will only pass over a cable with ethernet capability built-in as well.
And reiterate, only those features of the HDMI 2.1 spec that require higher overall bandwidth (such as 8k, 4k/120p, etc.) will require HDMI hardware which is "still" not available. The other features of HDMI 2.1 will work just fine with 2.0b hardware such as eARC.

I stand by my position that eARC is the great savior of AVRs by preventing their obsolescence for a much longer period. Sure it might mean your sources get connected directly to the display vice using the AVR as a source switcher but at least they will still be fully functional (in theory of course) from the HDMI standpoint for a much longer timeframe.

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I read that to-day : denon-and-marantz-avrs-receive-earc-and-imax-enhanced-firmware-updates./

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I have a question about the audio signal information that displays on screen when the info button on the remote is pressed. When i am watching xfinity and press the button and look at the incoming audio signal, it shows options for FWL and FWR. They are grayed out as it is a 5.1 signal only. My setup is front and rear heights. The input signal shows options for the front heights that are also grayed out as expected. It doesn't even have option for rear heights. The output signal info show the correct 7.2.4 speakers being active as I am using Neural:X upmixer.

My question is why are input signal options shown this way and leave off the rear heights?
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I have a question about the audio signal information that displays on screen when the info button on the remote is pressed. When i am watching xfinity and press the button and look at the incoming audio signal, it shows options for FWL and FWR. They are grayed out as it is a 5.1 signal only. My setup is front and rear heights. The input signal shows options for the front heights that are also grayed out as expected. It doesn't even have option for rear heights. The output signal info show the correct 7.2.4 speakers being active as I am using Neural:X upmixer.

My question is why are input signal options shown this way and leave off the rear heights?
Apparently a software bug.
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I read that to-day :

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There are several errors in that guy's post you quoted:

The HDMI 2.1 upgrade will only be available for the Denon X8500H and Marantz AV8805, not the SR8012.
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There are several errors in that guy's post you quoted:

The HDMI 2.1 upgrade will only be available for the Denon X8500H and Marantz AV8805, not the SR8012.
Well too bad, would have made my 8012 even more future proof, not that I expect to need HDMI 2.1 anytime soon
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Is there independent delay and level control for each subwoofer output in the SR8012?
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Is there independent delay and level control for each subwoofer output in the SR8012?
Yes. Any Denon/Marantz that features Audyssey MultEQ XT32 also features Audyssey Sub EQ HT (dual sub level/delay).

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Hi.
i'm in the market for a new AVR by end of the year..
currently have the Elite SC-99..
thinking of getting the SR8012 or Denon X8500h
to power up a 7.2.4 setup.

which would you recommend?
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Hello,
I was originally interested in the 8012, but have decided to save longer and spend $1k more for the extra two channels of amplification and the future upgrade of hdmi 2.1. If neither of those two matter to you, then get the 8012. Hope this helps!


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Hi.
i'm in the market for a new AVR by end of the year..
currently have the Elite SC-99..
thinking of getting the SR8012 or Denon X8500h
to power up a 7.2.4 setup.

which would you recommend?
I’m in Ageement with @Dan30thz28 . It’s always a matter of needs and wants. Do you need/want 13 channels for “wides” and/or six overheads? Will you need/want HDMI 2.1 capability for i.e. 8K and eARC? And are these features worth the extra $1000 plus another couple of hundred for the HDMI 2.1 upgrade? If the answers are no...then 8012. And if yes...then 8500.

One other thought for you and Dan for consideration. If there is no need for 13 channel capability at this time, investing an extra $1K makes no sense. And if you want 13 channels, is there value in paying $1000 for two additional channels? Also, HDMI 2.1 incurs addition cost (possibly $200+) and likely still many months away...not to mention it's supported capabilities like 8K, eARC, etc. are even further away and then likely to see birthing/growing pains. The point is if HDMI 2.1 is/will be important to you, why pay for it now? In a couple of years, many more manufacturers and models will support HDMI 2.1 out of the box, likely more stable, more establish at that time, likely less costly, and include features not available today...rendering the 8500 less desirable at that time. Of course, YMMV.
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wow i just love the sound of 8012 compared to my yamaha 775 and very old denon 3802.

the sound is beefier ! worthy upgrade

it is loud enough for me. my volume setting is only 65-80max for a 30sq/meters of treated room




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wow i just love the sound of 8012 compared to my yamaha 775 and very old denon 3802.

the sound is beefier ! worthy upgrade

it is loud enough for me. my volume setting is only 65-80max for a 30sq/meters of treated room




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I concur. The 8012's sound is very dynamic...especially clean, clear, punchy, and powerful in the bass frequencies. IMO, it's attributed to the the 8012's return to classic power supply design with its toroidal transformer and large capacitors.
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