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I actually agree that Audyssey is irrelevant to these types of reviews. It's not a review of room correction, or frankly even of subjective sound quality. It's simply an attempt to measure the quality of the fundamental signal path / hardware components from input to output with standardized metrics. Why introduce another variable of DSP processes?

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Also not sure what to make of it, given that the AV8805 sounds as good as it does. It would be really nice to see how the AV8805 compares to other pre-pros, including some of the super expensive options like Datasat and Trinnov as well as more comparably priced options from Yamaha, etc. It's perhaps interesting to see how it compares to 2 channel DACs from companies like Benchmark, but most of us aren't going to replace our surround processors with a 2 channel DAC for obvious reasons. This is also the first I've heard of that site, is the general consensus that they're well respected?
just to remind interesting reading on the subject:
https://www.stereophile.com/content/...marantz-page-2
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It's perhaps interesting to see how it compares to 2 channel DACs from companies like Benchmark, but most of us aren't going to replace our surround processors with a 2 channel DAC for obvious reasons.
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I said it when I got it and listened to it for a few weeks and had to admit "Man it sounds good" .

Thanks indeed for posting the review but the 8805 is still worth every penny I paid for it
Ya know what, that's all that matters !!
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For those of you in the forum - I highly recommend Netflix's The Umbrella Academy.

We started watching, and ended up binging a bit with the first 4 episodes last night.

It's Dolby Vision and has a great sound track (not sure if its Atmos), but it sounded AWESOME and was at least upmixing fantasically.

Even if you don't care for the series, just watch a couple of episodes to hear the mix.

It really steps up and gets immersive when they integrate 80's/90's music with the action.
If you have an Apple TV it will output Atmos on this show. This is the reason I upgraded from the Roku, no regrets at all. Too bad I can only do 4k 60Hz as my LS10500 does not have enough bandwidth for HDR, still it look stunning.

For those of you with Atmos passing players, you can just enter dolby atmos in the search and all titles will come up, all with the obligatory 4k

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If you have an Apple TV it will output Atmos on this show. This is the reason I upgraded from the Roku, no regrets at all. Too bad I can only do 4k 60Hz as my LS10500 does not have enough bandwidth for HDR, still it look stunning.



For those of you with Atmos passing players, you can just enter dolby atmos in the search and all titles will come up, all with the obligatory 4k


Doesn’t the Apple TV display everything as Atmos when Atmos is enabled in Apple TV settings even when the Netflix show / movie isn’t Atmos?

If Atmos isn’t listed in the information of the Netflix show / movie then it’s not Atmos.


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Doesn’t the Apple TV display everything as Atmos when Atmos is enabled in Apple TV settings even when the Netflix show / movie isn’t Atmos?

If Atmos isn’t listed in the information of the Netflix show / movie then it’s not Atmos.


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I am not a believer in sound conversions, effects, and corrections (soundproofed HT), mine is set up to stream native, I see some movies on Amazon as MCH IN internally in-player decoded, but on Netflix the Dolby Atmos logo pops up on my processor's display when I watch an Atmos encoded movie.

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I am not a believer in sound conversions, effects, and corrections (soundproofed HT), mine is set up to stream native, I see some movies on Amazon as MCH IN internally in-player decoded, but on Netflix the Dolby Atmos logo pops up on my processor's display when I watch an Atmos encoded movie.


What do you see listed in the Netflix app for audio? I’d be surprised if there is a show / movie available in Atmos on the Apple TV Netflix app that isn’t also available in Atmos on the LG Netflix app.

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What do you see listed in the Netflix app for audio? I’d be surprised if there is a show / movie available in Atmos on the Apple TV Netflix app that isn’t also available in Atmos on the LG Netflix app.

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You made me run to the basement and check, you are right!
My very bad, did not remember well, this is not an Atmos show, not even on ATV.

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IMAX Firmware upgrade Marantz 8805

I have yet to get the IMAX firmware upgrade and my auto function is enabled. I check my latest firmware and it says my firmware is current. Is this forthcoming for my unit? Not that big of a deal, just curious.

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I have yet to get the IMAX firmware upgrade and my auto function is enabled. I check my latest firmware and it says my firmware is current. Is this forthcoming for my unit? Not that big of a deal, just curious.



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Did you check your firmware version?

The latest is:
7300-5254-9181-3094
3.90.50.54

Have you tried one of the IMAX discs?


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Did you check your firmware version?

The latest is:
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Just checked for firmware upgrade, and there it is waiting for me to start. Auto update function never prompted me to initiate. Anyway it is updating latest firmware now . Says 15 minute time to complete.

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Smart Select Buttons on 8805

I think this is possible, using Pure Direct mode with subwoofer playing. Have not actually tried, but changing subwoofer setting to LFE + main may accomplish.
I want to save this using the smart select button and use for some 2 channel listening. All other listening, cable TV, Netflix, and blu-ray I would want the sub mode LFE without main.
Would the smart select save this bass mode or is this not possible?

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Amir at Audio Science Review did a battery of measurements on the 8805's audio capability. Sadly the results were not what we would have hoped to see.
https://www.audiosciencereview.com/f...rocessor.6926/
As mentioned, errors in the review, doubling the rated output voltage and then trying to compare headphone amps and Oppo 205 to the 8805. As I flipped each of the 11 pages I became less interested in the “review” and more concerned with how he couldn’t figure out how to properly ship that thing out without paying double what it should of cost.

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As mentioned, errors in the review, doubling the rated output voltage and then trying to compare headphone amps and Oppo 205 to the 8805. As I flipped each of the 11 pages I became less interested in the “review” and more concerned with how he couldn’t figure out how to properly ship that thing out without paying double what it should of cost.

Pass on everything.
Yea I'm sure you know much better.
He only has a degree in EE

He only ships personally dozens of items that get measured for the site. And then there's his company Madrona Digital that ships gear daily. And then there's his -------------
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Why don't you stop by the site and challenge his knowledge face to face?

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I’m not saying I know much better. My reply wasn’t directed at amirm, rather the thread as a whole. I’ve been on the site. The thread was pretty rediculous IMO. My biggest issue is when when the whole “what can this thing do that an oppo 205 can’t do” mentality started to grow legs.

From the threads very first post:

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A larger miss for audiophiles is lack of USB input. You can use HDMI, S/PDIF, Toslink and Ethernet to stream data to it but can't use it as a USB DAC. For my testing as such, I resorted to S/PDIF and HDMI.
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The AV8805 lets you discover the incredible fidelity of high-resolution audio tracks with the ability to decode up to 24-bit/192-kHz ALAC, FLAC and WAV lossless files as well as DSD 2.8MHz and 5.6MHz tracks (the audiophile format of SACD) via the front panel USB port and network sources. Or, listen to other popular file types such as MP3.
Sooo about that “missing” USB input?

Also as it was called out more than once, even on page 6 where you had even made a post.

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But you are testing a complete AV processor, not a D/A converter chip in isolation. You've taken the output from the line outs, with goodness knows what in between the D/A and those XLRs. You've adjusted the digital level control. You've tested it with arbitrary levels above its rated spec. The specs may be dreadful, but the unit beats (for the things you tested) those specs (mostly). The rated output of the XLR is 2.4 volts. You tested it at 4.126V with an arbitrary winding back of the digital level control.
It's rated distortion is 0.008%. You tested 0.0027%, so it beat it spec by 296%.
The dynamic range is rated (with respect to 2V) at 100dB. Your test at 4.1V was 110dB, again better than spec.
Does it interest me? Not at all, but for videophiles it may be just the ticket.
So the 8805 has a rated output of 2.4 volts on the unbalanced XLR outputs. But the test was done at 4 volts, to meet the “standard” of his other tests. Why test the Marantz at nearly double it’s rated output?

Again, there was this, which seemed to take flight and was brought up and defended on more than one occasion.

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Admittedly it's no longer being produced, but what can this do that the Oppo-205 can't? A few more HDMI inputs, a lot moar channel outputs... anything else?
What? Really.. That’s where we are now?

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I’m not saying I know much better. My reply was directed at amirm, rather the thread as a whole. I’ve been on the site. The thread was pretty rediculous IMO. My biggest issue is when when the whole “what can this thing do that an oppo 205 can’t do” mentality started to grow legs.

From the threads very first post:
Sooo about that “missing” USB input?
Answered more than once here, that USB input can only be used to play files off a thumb drive or other memory device. It can not be used as a normal USB DAC input from a PC media player or media streamer as is the norm for music serving today.

PG 90 of the manual,
"It is not possible to use this unit by connecting the unit’s USB port to a PC via a USB cable"


The bottom line on the rest is that the 8805 does meet it's rated spec. Problem is in this 2019 world that spec is nothing to brag about for Marantz's top of the line SOTA Pre/Pro. $100 DAC's are being measured 10x better, I would have expected better for $4500.
There is plenty of room for debate over the audibility of the 8805 measured failings but no one ever said it sounded bad.

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Answered more than once here, that USB input can only be used to play files off a thumb drive or other memory device. It can not be used as a normal USB DAC input from a PC media player or media streamer as is the norm for music serving today.

PG 90 of the manual,
"It is not possible to use this unit by connecting the unit’s USB port to a PC via a USB cable"


The bottom line on the rest is that the 8805 does meet it's rated spec. Problem is in this 2019 world that spec is nothing to brag about for Marantz's top of the line SOTA Pre/Pro. $100 DAC's are being measured 10x better, I would have expected better for $4500.
There is plenty of room for debate over the audibility of the 8805 measured failings but no one ever said it sounded bad.


Met its rated spec as advertised and a bit more!

As for bragging! many owners feel (self included) it's good enough to use for 2/ch not even inserting an external 2/ch preamp and or dac. Fact! It's the SOTA pre/pro and not just for features alone but how it goes about playing back every format under the sun
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So the issue is not that it doesn’t have a USB input, but it doesn’t have a USB DAC when it wasn’t advertised as having one.

As far as a Marantz with a USB Type B input there are several options if it’s really that important to a user.

SA-8004, SA-8005, NA-11S1, SA-11S3, SA-10 all of which I’ve owned, among others such as the ND-8006, SA-KI Ruby. The theme here is USB-B DAC has been available for quite some time in their made in Japan digital source components, some of which weigh more than 8805.

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Why don't you stop by the site and challenge his knowledge face to face?
For the record - EE has little to nothing to do with sound. Thats like saying Bill Nye the Science Guy is some sort of benchmark in the field when his background is ME.

Also, doubling the rated input/output of anything equals trouble in nearly any electrical circuit.

I'd expect a dedicated 2 chan DAC to outperform a prepro. The problem with dedicated dacs - they are dumb and obsolete because of being dumb in a year or 2.. making them worthless.

I'd like to see a prepro with a dedicated AK4497 or AK4499 for each channel, but that won't likely ever happen.

Lastly, I can't seem to find ANY other pre/pro tested - which kind of makes a comparison to anything null.

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How do I get the flat Audyssey curve to work?
I have calibrated with the app and uploaded the file to the processor
but when I choose the flat curve in the setup the sound disappears
and it becomes completely silent.
The only thing that works is Audyssey reference or off.
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How do I get the flat Audyssey curve to work?
I have calibrated with the app and uploaded the file to the processor
but when I choose the flat curve in the setup the sound disappears
and it becomes completely silent.
The only thing that works is Audyssey reference or off.
Resend the calibration file to the 8805 then check Audyssey results in the 8805 to confirm you have both
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Suggestions for Ethernet problems? I can’t get my 8805 to the internet with the Ethernet port. Cables work, no issues with Comcast or blue ray player. I’m am running a splitter but suspect the port stopped working. Have done both network and factory reset. Can use wireless but had used Ethernet till last update?
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Suggestions for Ethernet problems? I can’t get my 8805 to the internet with the Ethernet port. Cables work, no issues with Comcast or blue ray player. I’m am running a splitter but suspect the port stopped working. Have done both network and factory reset. Can use wireless but had used Ethernet till last update?


Did the splitter work before the last update?
Have you tried connecting the Ethernet cable to the Marantz without the one going to Blu-ray player or trying the one from your Blu-ray player?

I don’t think a Splitter will provide network connection to both at the same time so you would be better off with a switch.


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For the record - EE has little to nothing to do with sound. Thats like saying Bill Nye the Science Guy is some sort of benchmark in the field when his background is ME.

Also, doubling the rated input/output of anything equals trouble in nearly any electrical circuit.

I'd expect a dedicated 2 chan DAC to outperform a prepro. The problem with dedicated dacs - they are dumb and obsolete because of being dumb in a year or 2.. making them worthless.

I'd like to see a prepro with a dedicated AK4497 or AK4499 for each channel, but that won't likely ever happen.

Lastly, I can't seem to find ANY other pre/pro tested - which kind of makes a comparison to anything null.
All this handwaving and crying over a few weak measurements is both without substance and embarrassing on your part. You keep getting your facts wrong in a attempt to discredit Amir. Take the honest and factual information provided as either valuable to you or not and move on. As I said, the audibility of the measurements is quite debatable, but the numbers are accurate. I currently own the less expensive AV7703, it sounds fantastic to me and I am in no way threatened by the numbers in the review, you shouldn't be either.

Once again you need to do your homework.
Amir measured the Denon AVR-4306. He also presented a overview of a Onkyo AVR which he originally wrote as a article for Widescreen Review Magazine. You did notice he's a Contributing Editor for them didn't you?
https://www.audiosciencereview.com/f...avr-4306.5087/

https://www.audiosciencereview.com/f...eceiver-avr.7/

Blumlein 88 also measured a Marantz AV7701 for ASR. It's one that I sold to him after a few years of stellar performance here.
https://www.audiosciencereview.com/f...urements.3485/

Interestingly the numbers aren't that far off the 8805?.

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Did the splitter work before the last update?
Have you tried connecting the Ethernet cable to the Marantz without the one going to Blu-ray player or trying the one from your Blu-ray player?

I don’t think a Splitter will provide network connection to both at the same time so you would be better off with a switch.


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Yes it worked before the update, yes I tried the other cables and they don’t work with the 8805 but do work with the blue ray.

Might want to try eliminating the splitter temporarily and connect Ethernet directly to the Marantz then reboot the router and Marantz just to try and confirm if there is an issue is with the Marantz.


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Yes it worked before the update, yes I tried the other cables and they don’t work with the 8805 but do work with the blue ray.
As T-Smith suggests, you need to take the splitter out of the setup to determine if the splitter is the issue.
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Is it possible to connect two separate amplifier channels simultaneously to the unbalanced and balanced pre-amp outputs of a single speaker type, say Front Heights, and have only one be active in ATMOS playback and the other active in AURO playback; using the AMP ASSIGN feature?


Could this be used to have an Overhead speaker layout for ATMOS and a Front/Rear Height speaker layout for AURO?




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Is it possible to connect two separate amplifier channels simultaneously to the unbalanced and balanced pre-amp outputs of a single speaker type, say Front Heights, and have only one be active in ATMOS playback and the other active in AURO playback; using the AMP ASSIGN feature?


Could this be used to have an Overhead speaker layout for ATMOS and a Front/Rear Height speaker layout for AURO?




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Not possible. Don’t understand why you think there’s a benefit switching amps??? But I might just be confused.


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Suggestions for Ethernet problems? I can’t get my 8805 to the internet with the Ethernet port. Cables work, no issues with Comcast or blue ray player. I’m am running a splitter but suspect the port stopped working. Have done both network and factory reset. Can use wireless but had used Ethernet till last update?


Ethernet splitters are flaky. Get rid of it and see if the 8805 works. You may have to reset the Ethernet.
If it works, then you know it may have been the splitter. Invest in a 5 port switch instead.


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