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Another option is to install something like a HDFury Vertex between the Marantz and the 1080P display, which can be used to scale 4K to 1080P, but it might make more financial sense to just replace the 4K display.
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Hi, I’m interested in this processor and have a couple of questions.
I read through the manual but am slightly unclear- if you have a Dolby 5.1 source in can the processor upmix this to Dolby Atmos (called Dolby surround?)or DTS virtual X? It seems to suggest that you can upmix a 5.1 DTS track to DTS Virtual x / neural x.
I have a 7.1.4 set up and would like to utilise all the speakers.
Also how does everyone find Audyssey RC?
I understand the new app has more flexibility and is better.
Has anyone compared it with DIRAC in their rooms?
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Hi, I’m interested in this processor and have a couple of questions.
I read through the manual but am slightly unclear- if you have a Dolby 5.1 source in can the processor upmix this to Dolby Atmos (called Dolby surround?)or DTS virtual X? It seems to suggest that you can upmix a 5.1 DTS track to DTS Virtual x / neural x.
I have a 7.1.4 set up and would like to utilise all the speakers.
Also how does everyone find Audyssey RC?
I understand the new app has more flexibility and is better.
Has anyone compared it with DIRAC in their rooms?
Thanks
Atmos and DTS:X are audio codecs which will pass audio to the overhead speakers when the mixer has designed it as such.

Dolby Surround and DTS Neural:X are simulators which can take a 2.0/5.1/7.1 signal and simulate audio to the overhead speakers.

DTS Virtual:X is a simulator which simulates height/surround from DTS and PCM audio only when no Height/Top/Dolby speakers are configured so does not apply for your current setup.
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Hello guys, i just upgraded to a AV8805 from my venerable AV8003.

I have a couple of questions.

So by default when receiving a DTS-HD signal the receiver uses DTS Neural:X mode, i have a 5.2 setup, should i turn it off and just use DTS HD MA, or leave it as it is? Will this mode take better advantage of my setup, can it for example mix a 7 channel stream into my 5 real speakers?
it's also using Dolby Surround when receiveing Dolby TrueHD.

Also my sources are a Sony BDP5000-ES and a Dune Smart D1, now when i put them into HDMI 12 bit mode, in information the 8805 shows video as ->12 bit -> 8 Bit to a Sony VPL-HW55ES projector, should it not leave 12 bit to pass through? could i have a problem in my chain that i never took notice?
The 8805 is configured as default to activate both monitor 1 and 2 outputs (Auto DUAL) where i have a turned off tv, could this be the problem?
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...should i turn it off and just use DTS HD MA, or leave it as it is?
Which sounds better to you?

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I ran an Audyssey calibration today and I have a five channel balanced amplifier that I’m using with the 8805 and all the speakers and amplifier the game was set to -12 in the Marantz and when I checked them with my RadioShack sound meter they’re 80-81 dB.

Do I adjust the levels of the rest of the speakers to match those? Use signal attenuators on the XLR cables? There are no controls on the amplifier.

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Which sounds better to you?
i installed it this afternoon in a hurry, i barely saw 2 movies this weekend with it (no playing during week days i'm afraid) so i can't really say have to test it out more.

i heard really impressive surround with it on some action movie scenes, sounf movement seems to be much improved from my av8003 and that sounded to my really good anyway, so it might be from the new algorithm.

what movie scenes do you guys recomend to test this out? i like Mad Max Fury road for example it gives the system a good beating.
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i installed it this afternoon in a hurry, i barely saw 2 movies this weekend with it (no playing during week days i'm afraid) so i can't really say have to test it out more.

i heard really impressive surround with it on some action movie scenes, sounf movement seems to be much improved from my av8003 and that sounded to my really good anyway, so it might be from the new algorithm.

what movie scenes do you guys recomend to test this out? i like Mad Max Fury road for example it gives the system a good beating.
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aniway i meant i installed it this saturday afternoon, sorry
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i installed it this afternoon in a hurry, i barely saw 2 movies this weekend with it (no playing during week days i'm afraid) so i can't really say have to test it out more.
If you're listening to a movie with a DTS 5.1 or 7.1 soundtrack (not DTS:X), can you hear the difference between DTS-HD MA decoding vs Neural:X processing when you switch back and forth? Or is the difference not easily audible?

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I ran an Audyssey calibration today and I have a five channel balanced amplifier that I’m using with the 8805 and all the speakers and amplifier the game was set to -12 in the Marantz and when I checked them with my RadioShack sound meter they’re 80-81 dB.

Do I adjust the levels of the rest of the speakers to match those? Use signal attenuators on the XLR cables? There are no controls on the amplifier.

Thanks for any insight.

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If Audyssey is setting all your speakers to -12 then that typically means your amp is outputting too high of a signal. Audyssey can only cut the signal down to -12 and it likely needs to cut it further. Are you possibly running Emotiva amps? I think they have had issues before in this area. I believe the solution is to purchase signal attenuators. Search the forum as I am not an expert in attenuators and maybe others can chime in.

I do know that there is an issue if Audyssey is reducing your signal on all speakers by -12.


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Is it worth it to include front wides I'm currently using surround backs and i do like what they add and it seems most surround uses surround backs.

should I just add front wides and still keep the back speakers I hate to lose them. I did hooked up front wides+ surround backs and they didn't make much noise even when i disabled back speakers.

Not many sound tracks use front wides. I would keep your surround backs in place as they utilized much more often. You could always try to hook up front wides temporarily to see if you like it better.

Also depends on your room size and if you are sitting far enough away from the screen for front wides to make any audible difference.


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aniway i meant i installed it this saturday afternoon, sorry
Once you get 10 or more posts(approximately, I don't know the exact number), other options are available to you including editing and deleting posts. I think you are also barred from links, at first.
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If Audyssey is setting all your speakers to -12 then that typically means your amp is outputting too high of a signal. Audyssey can only cut the signal down to -12 and it likely needs to cut it further. Are you possibly running Emotiva amps? I think they have had issues before in this area. I believe the solution is to purchase signal attenuators. Search the forum as I am not an expert in attenuators and maybe others can chime in.

I do know that there is an issue if Audyssey is reducing your signal on all speakers by -12.


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Thanks for the response. It is a Classe’ CAV-180 amplifier. I think 10 dB attenuators will do the trick since the speakers are running between 80-81 dB right now at -12.0 cut in the 8805.


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If you're listening to a movie with a DTS 5.1 or 7.1 soundtrack (not DTS:X), can you hear the difference between DTS-HD MA decoding vs Neural:X processing when you switch back and forth? Or is the difference not easily audible?
not sure have to try it.

i was wondering if there was a technical best practise, but if it's down to preference i will test it out.
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Thanks for the response. It is a Classe’ CAV-180 amplifier. I think 10 dB attenuators will do the trick since the speakers are running between 80-81 dB right now at -12.0 cut in the 8805.
Do you use Dynamic EQ? If not, not need for the attenuators, simply manually level match your speakers to 85dB instead of 75dB and just be aware that "reference level" will be -10 instead of 0.0 on the master volume.
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Do you use Dynamic EQ? If not, not need for the attenuators, simply manually level match your speakers to 85dB instead of 75dB and just be aware that "reference level" will be -10 instead of 0.0 on the master volume.


I have used DEQ in the past (and typically watch movies at -10 dB from reference) , but it is a dedicated theater, so could do without it I suppose.

I am coming from a Denon 4311 set up in 2010, so it has been 10 years since I have run and set up Audyssey, and don’t remember if using DEQ used to be the recommendation.

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So I got an IMAX update which it said would take 5 minutes. Not sure what changed as the version numbers are the same before/after...

Firmware Version: 7300-5254-9181-3094
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Hey guys I just set this up, is there a way to have different speaker profiles based on hdmi inputs? I’ll start reading the manual....
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So I got an IMAX update which it said would take 5 minutes. Not sure what changed as the version numbers are the same before/after...

Firmware Version: 7300-5254-9181-3094
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When you cycle thru the sound modes by repeatedly pressing one of the "sound mode" buttons does it list IMAX now as DTS option? I would think it would?

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When you cycle thru the sound modes by repeatedly pressing one of the "sound mode" buttons does it list IMAX now as DTS option? I would think it would?

I have not seen it as an option yet.

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When you cycle thru the sound modes by repeatedly pressing one of the "sound mode" buttons does it list IMAX now as DTS option? I would think it would?

Maybe it automatically sets the IMAX mode when an IMAX enabled movie is played ?

I have one of the imax enabled movies and will try it tonight.


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Hey guys I just set this up, is there a way to have different speaker profiles based on hdmi inputs? I’ll start reading the manual....

Can you be more specific? The AVP features custom 2CH Playback settings (p. 240 Owner's manual) that can be different from the multi channel settings.

Also, the AVP only allows for storing of one Audyssey EQ (ie. speaker configuration); however, you can download multiple EQs to separate thumb drives or use the MultEQ Editor app (iOS/Android, $20) to store multiple EQs on your phone/tablet.
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When you cycle thru the sound modes by repeatedly pressing one of the "sound mode" buttons does it list IMAX now as DTS option? I would think it would?
The IMAX DTS surround mode is only available when playing an IMAX Enhanced DTS or a lossy DTS audio track.
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Can you be more specific? The AVP features custom 2CH Playback settings (p. 240 Owner's manual) that can be different from the multi channel settings.

Also, the AVP only allows for storing of one Audyssey EQ (ie. speaker configuration); however, you can download multiple EQs to separate thumb drives or use the MultEQ Editor app (iOS/Android, $20) to store multiple EQs on your phone/tablet.

Hi. Sure, I will try.


The Anthem AVM 60 had what they called "speaker profiles". You could assign a certain profile to certain inputs. So what I did is have my subs off when watching cable as the audio sounds better that way. I had them on for everything else.


I think I found the equivalent solution in the Marantz option menu. Looks like you can ratchet down the levels on any speaker you have and it saves that to the input you changed.
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The Anthem AVM 60 had what they called "speaker profiles". You could assign a certain profile to certain inputs. So what I did is have my subs off when watching cable as the audio sounds better that way. I had them on for everything else.


I think I found the equivalent solution in the Marantz option menu. Looks like you can ratchet down the levels on any speaker you have and it saves that to the input you changed.



I wish more companies would handle inputs and profiles like Anthem does. It gives you so much flexibility.

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I wish more companies would handle inputs and profiles like Anthem does. It gives you so much flexibility.

My experience with these two processors has been really eye opening. They are both extremely expensive, and within minutes of hooking either of them up I found myself wishing for certain features. The 8805 has an MSRP of 4500 USD and they have the audacity to put a paper microphone stand in the box. The anthem doesn't handle two subs correctly. Very easy simple things like speaker profiles should be a given.


But whatever, it sounds great.
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I have used DEQ in the past (and typically watch movies at -10 dB from reference) , but it is a dedicated theater, so could do without it I suppose.

I am coming from a Denon 4311 set up in 2010, so it has been 10 years since I have run and set up Audyssey, and don’t remember if using DEQ used to be the recommendation.

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I use Emotiva amps and had the same issue as you. I purchased -10DB attenuators and it made a huge difference in sound, recalibrated and it sounds great. Movies to xbox just sounds great.
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I use Emotiva amps and had the same issue as you. I purchased -10DB attenuators and it made a huge difference in sound, recalibrated and it sounds great. Movies to xbox just sounds great.

Interesting you guys are talking about this, I was about to ask the same question.


After calibrating, I noticed my volume was way up for normal listening 60/65 range for movies. I didn't really think anything of it, but looked at my level settings and all of them were negative. Some barely, around -.5 but some at -12. What are these attenuators you speak of? Is it possible to share a link?
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I use Emotiva amps and had the same issue as you. I purchased -10DB attenuators and it made a huge difference in sound, recalibrated and it sounds great. Movies to xbox just sounds great.


Thanks.

Which attenuators did you purchase?

Edit: You may have purchased them from Parts Express if you are “Juan I”, but I noticed those are not actually balanced attenuators, according to a reviewer on Amazon.


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Originally Posted by gutcheck2001 View Post
Hi. Sure, I will try.


The Anthem AVM 60 had what they called "speaker profiles". You could assign a certain profile to certain inputs. So what I did is have my subs off when watching cable as the audio sounds better that way. I had them on for everything else.


I think I found the equivalent solution in the Marantz option menu. Looks like you can ratchet down the levels on any speaker you have and it saves that to the input you changed.
Correct. OPTION - CHANNEL LEVEL ADJUST - (speaker/Sub) is selectable by source.
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