Originally Posted by Molon_Labe
Is anyone limiting Audyssey to Schroeder or below with the new app? Did you experience improved dialog ineligibility vs previous? My biggest gripe with Audyssey was muddled dialog that required bumping the center a couple of db to compensate. All of my speakers are now active crossover (JBL M2 and 7 series), so I am planning to ditch room correction all together except in the 200 ish and below frequencies. I really like Dirac Live, but I need to get back to a pre that has XLR due to having Crown DCI pro amps with phoenix blocks and speakers with XLR direct inputs. I really miss my 8802 but Audyssey was making a muck of my system at the time. The new app may resolve those issues. Any feedback or comments would be greatly appreciated.
Yes, many people are doing that. With great speakers like the JBL M2 and a room with good acoustics you don't need full range room correction. With good speakers in a good room full range auto EQ can end up making things sound worse.
I used to use Audyssey full range but now that I have a more dedicated room with nice matching Triad speakers for all ear level speakers and some room treatments, I discovered it was actually hurting the sound. I always trusted XT32 but a while back I spent time comparing 2ch music with "Bypass L/R" vs "Reference" vs "Flat" and the Audyssey Reference curve sounded the worst, it was dulling the speakers considerably.
This is the uncorrected response of my FL and FR speakers above 1khZ at five points across my couch (the sweet spot dead center are the red and blue measurements, and then the gray measurements are the FR/FL responses at 2ft intervals across the four cushions, so covering about 6ft total distance left to right). Do I need electronic EQ to touch this response at all??
Right now I have the app correcting up to 1kHz (I may try lowering it to 500Hz) and I also used the target curve editor to dial in a little "Harman curve" downward slope in the lower frequencies vs the "flat bass" calibration of Audyssey. I lift up the target curve by about 3dB at ~100Hz on all the speakers, then bump the sub level 3dB and add a bump around 30Hz so it slopes down smoothly through the crossover region.
This isn't my final result, I've done some more tweaking since, but you get the idea of what I've shooting for:
So I basically just use XT32 to smooth out and "shape" the modal region (<500Hz) and that's it. It sounds better than ever and a side benefit of having a downward sloping response is I don't need as much loudness compensation so I can turn DEQ off (if listening loud) or use it severely tamped down by setting the Offset to 15dB so there's only a minimal surround boost.