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Thanks.

Which attenuators did you purchase?

Edit: You may have purchased them from Parts Express if you are “Juan I”, but I noticed those are not actually balanced attenuators, according to a reviewer on Amazon.


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GIO, these are the ones I used from Part Express,
https://www.parts-express.com/in-lin...-10db--240-412

I see you are in Chicago, so am I south end by oak lawn.
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GIO, these are the ones I used from Part Express,

https://www.parts-express.com/in-lin...-10db--240-412



I see you are in Chicago, so am I south end by oak lawn.


I am in Homer Glen.


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GIO, these are the ones I used from Part Express,
https://www.parts-express.com/in-lin...-10db--240-412

I see you are in Chicago, so am I south end by oak lawn.
I've used these, too.

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GIO, these are the ones I used from Part Express,
https://www.parts-express.com/in-lin...-10db--240-412

I see you are in Chicago, so am I south end by oak lawn.

Whoa, cool. Do they make RCA versions? I have both XLR and RCA going on.... didn't see em at parts express.
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Whoa, cool. Do they make RCA versions? I have both XLR and RCA going on.... didn't see em at parts express.
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Whoa, cool. Do they make RCA versions? I have both XLR and RCA going on.... didn't see em at parts express.

https://www.parts-express.com/harris...-pair--266-242
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Thanks! Got a pair of these for my subs. Need more room in my gain settings.
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not too far at all, and you got the HT bug too.
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Hey guys! Now that I have this thing all dialed in, I have a couple upgrade questions:


1) 7.2.4: Right now I am running 5.2.4 with in ceiling atmos speakers. Now that I have a processor that can do 7.1.4 I am wondering what your thoughts are on using in ceiling speakers for the side surrounds. Right now I have the rear surrounds in wall behind the MLP. My speakers are golden ear triton one.r's for fronts, golden ear super center reference, goden ear invisia 525's for atmos, and golden ear MPX's for the rears. I would like to lower the rear speakers a bit and upgrade to the golden ear SPS in the back. For the side surrounds I have my eye on the HTR 7000's as they look to be directional. My concern is this will sound worse then what I have now. I have never heard 7.2.4 vs 5.2.4. I enjoy the information coming from behind me, but wonder what it would add to have two more speakers.


2) Adding outdoor speakers for the pool: I have long wanted to do this, but have never actually pulled the trigger. If the AV8805 is running either a 5.2.4 or 7.2.4 main setup, can one use the extra two channels for a separate "zone"? In the manual they describe the zones as HDMI zones.
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1) 7.2.4: Right now I am running 5.2.4 with in ceiling atmos speakers. Now that I have a processor that can do 7.1.4 I am wondering what your thoughts are on using in ceiling speakers for the side surrounds. Right now I have the rear surrounds in wall behind the MLP. My speakers are golden ear triton one.r's for fronts, golden ear super center reference, goden ear invisia 525's for atmos, and golden ear MPX's for the rears. I would like to lower the rear speakers a bit and upgrade to the golden ear SPS in the back. For the side surrounds I have my eye on the HTR 7000's as they look to be directional. My concern is this will sound worse then what I have now. I have never heard 7.2.4 vs 5.2.4. I enjoy the information coming from behind me, but wonder what it would add to have two more speakers.
So a few things here...

First, the primary surrounds in a 5.1 layout ARE the side surrounds. It's common for people to do what you have and place the surrounds behind you, but really you should only have back surrounds if you first have side surrounds (expanding from 5.1 to 7.1). So, yes, you are definitely missing something by not having side surrounds, as there's a huge gap between screen effects and surround effects currently.

That said, you should NOT use in-ceiling surrounds with an Atmos setup. Atmos requires separation between the "ear level" layer and the "overhead" layer. If you then lower the rear speakers further it will be even worse -- sounds panning around you will start at the screen, jump up to the ceiling, then jump down behind you. So only add side surrounds if you can place them properly to the sides at the same height as the back surrounds.


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2) Adding outdoor speakers for the pool: I have long wanted to do this, but have never actually pulled the trigger. If the AV8805 is running either a 5.2.4 or 7.2.4 main setup, can one use the extra two channels for a separate "zone"? In the manual they describe the zones as HDMI zones.
The AV8805 is a processor, it doesn't have any amps so you don't have to worry about "using up" channels like a receiver. It is capable of connecting a full 15.2 speakers setup in Main Zone and ALSO running 2 pairs of stereo speakers for Zone 2 + Zone 3 via the dedicated pre-out.
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So a few things here...

First, the primary surrounds in a 5.1 layout ARE the side surrounds. It's common for people to do what you have and place the surrounds behind you, but really you should only have back surrounds if you first have side surrounds (expanding from 5.1 to 7.1). So, yes, you are definitely missing something by not having side surrounds, as there's a huge gap between screen effects and surround effects currently.

That said, you should NOT use in-ceiling surrounds with an Atmos setup. Atmos requires separation between the "ear level" layer and the "overhead" layer. If you then lower the rear speakers further it will be even worse -- sounds panning around you will start at the screen, jump up to the ceiling, then jump down behind you. So only add side surrounds if you can place them properly to the sides at the same height as the back surrounds.




The AV8805 is a processor, it doesn't have any amps so you don't have to worry about "using up" channels like a receiver. It is capable of connecting a full 15.2 speakers setup in Main Zone and ALSO running 2 pairs of stereo speakers for Zone 2 + Zone 3 via the dedicated pre-out.

Thanks! I was afraid that was the case. Another option for the 7.1.4 could be to place speakers directly at ear level on the giant piece of furniture I have directly behind the MLP. However, this would meant that they would 1) be literally right next to us 2) be behind us instead of beside us
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Thanks! I was afraid that was the case. Another option for the 7.1.4 could be to place speakers directly at ear level on the giant piece of furniture I have directly behind the MLP. However, this would meant that they would 1) be literally right next to us 2) be behind us instead of beside us
But you said you already have speakers behind you right? So adding another pair of surrounds behind you would be a mess.

So is the issue that you have an open concept space and there's no side wall options for proper side surrounds?

Another option would be to add a pair of Front Wide speakers so you'd run a 7.1.4 variant with Front Wide + Surrounds behind you.

Maybe a diagram of the room layout would help us visualize?

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But you said you already have speakers behind you right? So adding another pair of surrounds behind you would be a mess.

So is the issue that you have an open concept space and there's no side wall options for proper side surrounds?

Another option would be to add a pair of Front Wide speakers so you'd run a 7.1.4 variant with Front Wide + Surrounds behind you.

Maybe a diagram of the room layout would help us visualize?



Yes, this is exactly the issue. I will try to see if I can find a diagram, but it's the kind of room you see all the time, a great room with an open kitchen to the left of the MSA, so no walls to use on the left.
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Anyone using the 8805 with a Dish Hopper 3? While I’m listening to music on a digital or analog input or sometimes video on another HDMI input, the unit will switch to the Dish input. Likely HDMI control, but not sure why the Dish unit would be sending CEC HDMI commands for no reason. Even have turned it off/standby and it seems to do this occasionally. We use the HDMI control and don’t want to just turn it off. I had a 8801 with the same sources and it never did this. SJ
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Anyone using the 8805 with a Dish Hopper 3? While I’m listening to music on a digital or analog input or sometimes video on another HDMI input, the unit will switch to the Dish input. Likely HDMI control, but not sure why the Dish unit would be sending CEC HDMI commands for no reason. Even have turned it off/standby and it seems to do this occasionally. We use the HDMI control and don’t want to just turn it off. I had a 8801 with the same sources and it never did this. SJ
The Dish Hopper 3 is a DVR so is never off as it must be able to record when in Standby. Another option is to use a universal remote (eg. Harmony 650) that can power on/off and control up to 8 devices without having to mess with HDMI-CEC.
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Anyone using the 8805 with a Dish Hopper 3 ?

While I’m listening to music on a digital or analog input or sometimes video on another HDMI input, the unit will switch to the Dish input. Likely HDMI control, but not sure why the Dish unit would be sending CEC HDMI commands for no reason. Even have turned it off/standby and it seems to do this occasionally. We use the HDMI control and don’t want to just turn it off. I had a 8801 with the same sources and it never did this. SJ
I have the New/Latest Dish DVR and the AV8805 Marantz.
I also have the Panasonic UB820.
And the ROKU Ultra.
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Everything works exactly as they should ...........

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My experience with these two processors has been really eye opening. They are both extremely expensive, and within minutes of hooking either of them up I found myself wishing for certain features. The 8805 has an MSRP of 4500 USD and they have the audacity to put a paper microphone stand in the box. The anthem doesn't handle two subs correctly. Very easy simple things like speaker profiles should be a given.


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HDMI CONNECTION

Every so often I go to watch a movie on UB820 and and I find I have to unplug the Monoprice HDMI cable from the 8805 and re insert it. Is this a common occurrence or is there a permanent solution? Tia.
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HDMI CONNECTION

Every so often I go to watch a movie on UB820 and and I find I have to unplug the Monoprice HDMI cable from the 8805 and re insert it. Is this a common occurrence or is there a permanent solution? Tia.
HDMI handshake issues can often be mitigated by powering on the components in a specific order: TV, pause 5 seconds, AVP, pause 5 seconds, source.

Alternatively, you can also switch to a different HDMI source and then back to the desired HDMI source.
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Every so often I go to watch a movie on UB820 and and I find I have to unplug the Monoprice HDMI cable from the 8805 and re insert it. Is this a common occurrence or is there a permanent solution? Tia.
HDMI handshake issues can often be mitigated by powering on the components in a specific order: TV, pause 5 seconds, AVP, pause 5 seconds, source.

Alternatively, you can also switch to a different HDMI source and then back to the desired HDMI source.
Thank you, I'll give it a try. 😉
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Every so often I go to watch a movie on UB820 and and I find I have to unplug the Monoprice HDMI cable from the 8805 and re insert it. Is this a common occurrence or is there a permanent solution? Tia.
Not a common occurrence. How long are your HDMI cables - both for sources and your projector? If any of them are long, you may need to consider an active cable of some sort (HDBaseT, optical, etc.). It's also possible that you have a marginal cable that simply needs to be replaced.
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Is anyone limiting Audyssey to Schroeder or below with the new app? Did you experience improved dialog ineligibility vs previous? My biggest gripe with Audyssey was muddled dialog that required bumping the center a couple of db to compensate. All of my speakers are now active crossover (JBL M2 and 7 series), so I am planning to ditch room correction all together except in the 200 ish and below frequencies. I really like Dirac Live, but I need to get back to a pre that has XLR due to having Crown DCI pro amps with phoenix blocks and speakers with XLR direct inputs. I really miss my 8802 but Audyssey was making a muck of my system at the time. The new app may resolve those issues. Any feedback or comments would be greatly appreciated.


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I'm surprised you're having dialog related issues using XT32. Although when using XT on older models, I would need to bump the Center for better dialog, ever since upgrading to XT32 models, dialog always been very clear and so I no longer need to bump the Center volume above the setting after running Audyssey. Have you tried using the <Dialog Enhancer> setting (p. 139 Owner's manual) as it may aid with your issue?

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Not a common occurrence. How long are your HDMI cables - both for sources and your projector? If any of them are long, you may need to consider an active cable of some sort (HDBaseT, optical, etc.). It's also possible that you have a marginal cable that simply needs to be replaced.[/QUOTE]

I bought 2 new ones. 3' and 25'. The 3' seems to be the trouble maker. Only happened a handful of times, it's just frustrating that's all.
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Is anyone limiting Audyssey to Schroeder or below with the new app? Did you experience improved dialog ineligibility vs previous? My biggest gripe with Audyssey was muddled dialog that required bumping the center a couple of db to compensate. All of my speakers are now active crossover (JBL M2 and 7 series), so I am planning to ditch room correction all together except in the 200 ish and below frequencies. I really like Dirac Live, but I need to get back to a pre that has XLR due to having Crown DCI pro amps with phoenix blocks and speakers with XLR direct inputs. I really miss my 8802 but Audyssey was making a muck of my system at the time. The new app may resolve those issues. Any feedback or comments would be greatly appreciated.
Yes, many people are doing that. With great speakers like the JBL M2 and a room with good acoustics you don't need full range room correction. With good speakers in a good room full range auto EQ can end up making things sound worse.

I used to use Audyssey full range but now that I have a more dedicated room with nice matching Triad speakers for all ear level speakers and some room treatments, I discovered it was actually hurting the sound. I always trusted XT32 but a while back I spent time comparing 2ch music with "Bypass L/R" vs "Reference" vs "Flat" and the Audyssey Reference curve sounded the worst, it was dulling the speakers considerably.

This is the uncorrected response of my FL and FR speakers above 1khZ at five points across my couch (the sweet spot dead center are the red and blue measurements, and then the gray measurements are the FR/FL responses at 2ft intervals across the four cushions, so covering about 6ft total distance left to right). Do I need electronic EQ to touch this response at all??




Right now I have the app correcting up to 1kHz (I may try lowering it to 500Hz) and I also used the target curve editor to dial in a little "Harman curve" downward slope in the lower frequencies vs the "flat bass" calibration of Audyssey. I lift up the target curve by about 3dB at ~100Hz on all the speakers, then bump the sub level 3dB and add a bump around 30Hz so it slopes down smoothly through the crossover region.

This isn't my final result, I've done some more tweaking since, but you get the idea of what I've shooting for:




So I basically just use XT32 to smooth out and "shape" the modal region (<500Hz) and that's it. It sounds better than ever and a side benefit of having a downward sloping response is I don't need as much loudness compensation so I can turn DEQ off (if listening loud) or use it severely tamped down by setting the Offset to 15dB so there's only a minimal surround boost.
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Basically for people with great speakers in good rooms, the Audyssey App lets you leverage the best part of Audyssey XT32 (high resolution low frequency correction) and turn off the rest of it. This considerably closes the gap between Audyssey and the more exotic EQ systems like Dirac and ARC (and which most pros would still eschew for full range correction) and makes the really solid Marantz/Denon offerings much more attractive.

This gives an "out" for people like you who are attracted to the Marantz 8805 (or in my case, the Denon 8500 AVR) for its great featureset and a rock solid performance, but are always tempted to dabble with cludgy external solutions like the MiniDSP 88A or buggy unreliable processors like Emotiva or NAD to try and get Dirac.

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This gives an "out" for people like you who are attracted to the Marantz 8805 (or in my case, the Denon 8500 AVR) for its great featureset and a rock solid performance, but are always tempted to dabble with cludgy external solutions like the MiniDSP 88A...
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@batpig - Bingo, that was what I was looking for thanks man! I really like Dirac but @Gooddoc has mentioned that even Dirac sounds better off than correcting above Schroeder with the M2. I think the Audyssey app may be the ticket to get me back with Marantz and solve my RCA to XLR fiasco.

@jdsmoothie - I believe I meddled with the dialog compensation when I had the 8802a but it never sounded right. I always preferred Audyssey off vs on. I have had other's echo my experience in the Dirac and Onkyo/AccuEQ threads.
Just to add a few more app strong points, I limit only my mains to 500hz and let and using the reference curve I disable MRC for all other channels and allow full correction even for the center. The reason being and even with a full suit of GIK Alpha /Impression line of acoustic panels what I have found from playing with the app limiting all to say 300hz/500hz up to say 5000hz was due to speaker placement and or location (My mains for instance are setup for 2/ch first and in Ideal location to do so extremely well) the center could be in a better spot but do compromises we all make at times still has never sounded nothing but great, now add in the remaining channels in a 7.1.4 setup and best placement is all over the map and this is were full correction brings them in to line with the front sound stage and the result is nothing short of breath taking. I'm sure trying various correction limiting of the various channels would yield even better results as that app has the flexibility to send one down a rabbit hole of possibilities and all from sitting in your chair with your phone and with in minutes you've just changed the sound of your entire sound field

And um welcome back to the lounge
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@batpig - Bingo, that was what I was looking for thanks man! I really like Dirac but @Gooddoc has mentioned that even Dirac sounds better off than correcting above Schroeder with the M2. I think the Audyssey app may be the ticket to get me back with Marantz and solve my RCA to XLR fiasco.
Yep, with one caveat, which is listening in stereo. I can deal with full range correction for HT. Way too much going on to pick up on the subtle reasons I don't like correction in stereo.

Personally, I'm waiting for the new Dirac coming out in the Monoprice prepro. That's a solution that does things the way I want at a price that doesn't make me feel violated.
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Hi all,

I'm seriously considering upgrading to the AV8805 from the AV7705. What do you like about your AV8805? i personally like the fact it is upgradeable to HDMI 2.1, and I've read that 2 channel sounds really good and although my AV7705 doesnt sound bad I like the XLR inputs on the AV8805. What are your impressions on the sound of this unit compared to the AV7705? Any experiences you can share about what you love about your AV8805 and don't love about it and why would help a lot.

Thanks all. Look forward to reading your experiences.

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