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Just picked up an 8805 yesterday, next step is selling my hsu subwoofer for a pair of g25hps. I was planning on buying the anthem for arc, but couldn’t pass up the deal I got on the 8805. Hoping I love this thing! In the process of moving so wont be setup for a bit, it is going to be real hard seeing the marantz box every time I grab something out of the closet

I have the 8805 and love it. I also have one G25HP. Use the Audyssey app and the 8805 should sound great. The one G25HP I have blows my mind, I'd like to get another later on after I move.


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Good deal on the 8805, maybe the release of a 8806 is just around the corner.
Always a good time to buy a new pre/pro.

I don't think there would be a new one before 2021 based on talk about HDMI 2.1 boards. SteveH and others could tell you the plan.
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Good deal on the 8805, maybe the release of a 8806 is just around the corner.
Always a good time to buy a new pre/pro.
Denon/Marantz flagship models (eg. AV8805) are generally released every 3 years which would make 2021 the earliest for a successor model release; however, with the HDMI 2.1 board upgrade in 2020, this may push it out another 1-2 years beyond 2021.
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Denon/Marantz flagship models (eg. AV8805) are generally released every 3 years which would make 2021 the earliest for a successor model release; however, with the HDMI 2.1 board upgrade in 2020, this may push it out another 1-2 years beyond 2021.
OK, thanks bud. I'm more familiar with the AV770X line which seems to get upgraded every year. Strange that is? The 7703 had the Audyssey Editor compatibility like 1 year before the 8805 came out with support for it.

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I don't think there would be a new one before 2021 based on talk about HDMI 2.1 boards. SteveH and others could tell you the plan.

Speaking of SteveH, where has he been lately? Miss his wonderful and always welcome additions to this thread.
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OK, thanks bud. I'm more familiar with the AV770X line which seems to get upgraded every year. Strange that is? The 7703 had the Audyssey Editor compatibility like 1 year before the 8805 came out with support for it.
All models below the "flagship" model (ie. AV8805, AV8802, etc) are generally replaced yearly. Until 2019, the SR8012 was the only exception to that rule.

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I just turned on my 8805 and a firmware update popped up, anybody now what it entails besides the vague description "improves stability".
The AV8802 had a firmware update at the exact same time with the same description, and this is what was reported on the AV8802 forum thread (I hope I didn’t anger the gods by crossing the streams ):

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It’s likely but not certain that the same update was pushed to both models at the same time.
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OK, thanks bud. I'm more familiar with the AV770X line which seems to get upgraded every year. Strange that is? The 7703 had the Audyssey Editor compatibility like 1 year before the 8805 came out with support for it.

A guess here or two here:

The two flagship models use different, more advanced Analog Devices DSP chips (2 chips) from the DSP chips (4 chips) that have been used by other D&M units over the past several years. While legacy code may run on the new DSP chips, obtaining best performance likely involves new DSP code since the architecture of the new DSP chips has changed. That code may affect how the Audyssey Editor accesses the unit or changes may have been made to code that runs on other processing units in the flagship models. Under this scenario there are two code sets.

There are likely many more non-flagship models in the field so it makes sense to upgrade the non-flagship code first. In addition the non-flagship models likely have a continuing engineering product development team since they change somewhat every year. Even if the code development is farmed-out there has to be continuing staff to manage the outside coding effort. The flagship models likely go down to little or no engineering staff at times due to the three year product cycle. Performing mid-cycle upgrades may require a time to budget, plan and staff such a project.
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The AV8802 had a firmware update at the exact same time with the same description, and this is what was reported on the AV8802 forum thread (I hope I didn’t anger the gods by crossing the streams ):



It’s likely but not certain that the same update was pushed to both models at the same time.
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Speaker Trim Question. I've owned the AV8805 for several weeks now. I am in the process of installing room treatments so I wanted to make sure all speakers (5.1 system with 2 subwoofers) were playing at 75 dB. I purchased an SPL meter for this purpose. My volume control is set for 0 - 98. Audyssey off. Speaker distances were physically measured. I ran my initial tone test with the pre/pro volume set to 70. I could not get the speaker volume above 70 dB. I then changed the pre/pro volume up to 80. Guess what? All speakers were reading 80 dB. So, I trimmed them all down to 75 dB with the volume control left at 80.

I read through the manual but I did not get a good explanation. What is the best way to set speaker volumes with this pre/pro and using an SPL meter?

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Speaker Trim Question. I've owned the AV8805 for several weeks now. I am in the process of installing room treatments so I wanted to make sure all speakers (5.1 system with 2 subwoofers) were playing at 75 dB. I purchased an SPL meter for this purpose. My volume control is set for 0 - 98. Audyssey off. Speaker distances were physically measured. I ran my initial tone test with the pre/pro volume set to 70. I could not get the speaker volume above 70 dB. I then changed the pre/pro volume up to 80. Guess what? All speakers were reading 80 dB. So, I trimmed them all down to 75 dB with the volume control left at 80.

I read through the manual but I did not get a good explanation. What is the best way to set speaker volumes with this pre/pro and using an SPL meter?

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Run Audyssey using the MultEQ Editor app and then make any user preference adjustments using a 3rd party audio disc (eg. Spears and Munsil).
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I ran Audyssey last night for the first time and although the sound came from all the speakers in the right place and it said it was out of phase . This happened twice and I just moved on but I want to make sure everything is in order. I’m coming from an integra 80.3 so I’m very familiar with Audyssey. I’ll have some time tonight to tinker.

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I ran Audyssey last night for the first time and although the sound came from all the speakers in the right place and it said it was out of phase . This happened twice and I just moved on but I want to make sure everything is in order. I’️m coming from an integra 80.3 so I’️m very familiar with Audyssey. I’️ll have some time tonight to tinker.
Check your speaker wire but it does happen. My old PSB Stratus Golds would do that. Some speakers do deliberately wire one backward

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I ran Audyssey last night for the first time and although the sound came from all the speakers in the right place and it said it was out of phase . This happened twice and I just moved on but I want to make sure everything is in order. I’m coming from an integra 80.3 so I’m very familiar with Audyssey. I’ll have some time tonight to tinker.
I see that you're using Emotiva amps and assume that you're using XLR interconnects between your 8805 and the amps. If so, there lies the issue. Emotiva has traditionally reversed pins 2 & 3 which is backwards from the standard (pin 2 = hot, pin 3 = cold).

The options to correct this are to either use traditional RCA unbalanced interconnects (which will maintain absolute phase) or simply swap the positive/negative connections at the speakers terminals.

I've been told that if all of the speakers are reported by Audyssey as "reversed", then they are still "in phase to each other" (which is most important) and to simply ignore the message and move on. I use Emotiva amps as well and have tried both ways (reversing polarity at the speaker terminals to satisfy Audyssey versus leaving them alone). It's never seemed to make an audible difference in my room.
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I ran Audyssey last night for the first time and although the sound came from all the speakers in the right place and it said it was out of phase . This happened twice and I just moved on but I want to make sure everything is in order. I’m coming from an integra 80.3 so I’m very familiar with Audyssey. I’ll have some time tonight to tinker.
Just one speaker or all?

I've seen it stated by Audyssey somewhere that if it reports one speaker out of phase to check the wires. If they are correct to just ignore the warning.
I get the same warning on one speaker about 1 in 5 runs of the measurements, just ignore.
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I see that you're using Emotiva amps and assume that you're using XLR interconnects between your 8805 and the amps. If so, there lies the issue. Emotiva has traditionally reversed pins 2 & 3 which is backwards from the standard (pin 2 = hot, pin 3 = cold).

The options to correct this are to either use traditional RCA unbalanced interconnects (which will maintain absolute phase) or simply swap the positive/negative connections at the speakers terminals.

I've been told that if all of the speakers are reported by Audyssey as "reversed", then they are still "in phase to each other" (which is most important) and to simply ignore the message and move on. I use Emotiva amps as well and have tried both ways (reversing polarity at the speaker terminals to satisfy Audyssey versus leaving them alone). It's never seemed to make an audible difference in my room.


I think you’re spot on. I have switched from an old XPA 5 to the new XPA 9 gen 3 but still kept my XPR 2. The XPR 2 is running the towers and the only thing that has changed was that I’m using all XLR cables now. It’s saying every speakers except for the sub is out of phase . With the RCAs it never popped up with my integra


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I'd like to purchase the 8805 but I'm troubled by the way Marantz is dealing with the HDMI 2.1 upgrade. They say it will be available, but as far as I can tell we have no date or price. Can it be field installed or does it have to be shipped? I don't like the idea of being at their mercy when I can simply avoid the whole issue by waiting until it comes with HDMI 2.1 from the factory.

Am I the only one?
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I'd like to purchase the 8805 but I'm troubled by the way Marantz is dealing with the HDMI 2.1 upgrade. They say it will be available, but as far as I can tell we have no date or price. Can it be field installed or does it have to be shipped? I don't like the idea of being at their mercy when I can simply avoid the whole issue by waiting until it comes with HDMI 2.1 from the factory.

Am I the only one?
They haven’t given a date or exact price because the chipsets are still a ways off and they don’t want to pull an Emotiva by over promising and under delivering. For now, there’s no need for HDMI 2.1, so there’s really no rush as far as I’m concerned. It will most likely have to be sent off to a factory service center for the upgrade, just as they did when they did a similar upgrade to the 8802 to 8802A. If you decide to wait, you’re probably going to end up waiting at least a year.
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I'd like to purchase the 8805 but I'm troubled by the way Marantz is dealing with the HDMI 2.1 upgrade. They say it will be available, but as far as I can tell we have no date or price. Can it be field installed or does it have to be shipped? I don't like the idea of being at their mercy when I can simply avoid the whole issue by waiting until it comes with HDMI 2.1 from the factory.

Am I the only one?
The testing of the HDMI 2.1 boards is still in progress which is why mfr's won't be releasing HDMI 2.1 models until 2020 so expect the HDMI 2.1 board upgrade to be available likely summer 2020. As was the case with the X7200W HDMI 2.0a upgrade, the HDMI 2.1 board upgrade will require sending the unit in to the factory repair facility, United Radio, Syracuse, NY.
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The testing of the HDMI 2.1 boards is still in progress which is why mfr's won't be releasing HDMI 2.1 models until 2020 so expect the HDMI 2.1 board upgrade to be available likely summer 2020. As was the case with the X7200W HDMI 2.0a upgrade, the HDMI 2.1 board upgrade will require sending the unit in to the factory repair facility, United Radio, Syracuse, NY.
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They haven’t given a date or exact because the chipsets are still a ways off and they don’t want to pull an Emotiva by over promising and under delivering. For now, there’s no need for HDMI 2.1, so there’s really no rush as far as I’m concerned. It will most likely have to be sent off to a factory service center for the upgrade, just as they did when they did a similar upgrade to the 8802 to 8802A. If you decide to wait, you’re probably going to end up waiting at least a year.
I depends on how much you're into self-denial. Wear sack cloth and ashes and miss out on enjoying the 8805 for a year (and enjoy it you would) or wait, do the upgrade hassle, and then be irked when Marantz releases the 880X with built in 2.1 at the same time, or just a few months later? And I assume you have your 8K blu-ray player, 8K TV, and 8K disc library ready to go.
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Even when HDMI 2.1 becomes available on AVR's, will it even be relevant at that point? 4K content is barely off the ground. It could be several years before it's even an issue for you. Several years of enjoying an awesome current model.

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Even when HDMI 2.1 becomes available on AVR's, will it even be relevant at that point? 4K content is barely off the ground. It could be several years before it's even an issue for you. Several years of enjoying an awesome current model.
Yep, I'm sure the push to get 8k stuff out from the source suppliers will be strong, along with TV's, players, etc. To a certain group of early adopters getting their hands on the new gear will be hot. But IMO the actual demand from videophiles and the general public will be soft. Without faking demo's, any improvement from 4 to 8k will be hard to show. It may be of some minor value to those with 100" and larger projectors but still that will be a hard sell. We'll see.
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I depends on how much you're into self-denial. Wear sack cloth and ashes and miss out on enjoying the 8805 for a year (and enjoy it you would) or wait, do the upgrade hassle, and then be irked when Marantz releases the 880X with built in 2.1 at the same time, or just a few months later? And I assume you have your 8K blu-ray player, 8K TV, and 8K disc library ready to go.
It appears you weren't a victim of Denon's pricing when they offered the 3D/XT32 upgrade for their AVP.
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It appears you weren't a victim of Denon's pricing when they offered the 3D/XT32 upgrade for their AVP.
I was happy to pay the price for that upgrade which had never been promised. Nobody is holding a gun to your head here, so do what you want, but any complaints about HDMI 2.1 capabilities or pricing are premature at this point. Feel free to take your chances with Emotiva...
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The testing of the HDMI 2.1 boards is still in progress which is why mfr's won't be releasing HDMI 2.1 models until 2020 so expect the HDMI 2.1 board upgrade to be available likely summer 2020. As was the case with the X7200W HDMI 2.0a upgrade, the HDMI 2.1 board upgrade will require sending the unit in to the factory repair facility, United Radio, Syracuse, NY.

From the viewpoint of a non-owner who viewed the process from afar, the AV8802 upgrade to effectively an AV8802a went amazingly well. There were very few reported problems, it was really quite amazing, at least based on posts here. The contrast between D/M's performance in promising and delivery on new features, and that of several other vendors has been stark.

IMO, Denon/Marantz has done an excellent job in the migration to HDMI 2.1. eARC is the most valuable audio feature of HDMI 2.1. Denon/Marantz has provided hardware, a specific IC, on the digital board of their AVR's and AVP's for several years that supports eARC. eARC also has been activated by a firmware upgrade. Unfortunately that's hard to demonstrate since eARC sources are few. Including the eARC capability has added a lot of value to D/M products and extended their useful lifetimes. Current ARC, which uses the eARC D/M hardware infrastructure, works transparently in my sample size of one.

LG has implemented full HDMI 2.1 on many of this years TV's. Unfortunately Samsung appears to not have implemented any HDMI 2.1 features such as eARC, except perhaps on some 8K models, on any of this year's TV's. Hopefully (it's sad to have to use that word), Samsung will provide at least eARC next year. Enough critical mass of eARC in the field should in turn cause the streaming services to increase the bit rate devoted to audio.
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I was happy to pay the price for that upgrade which had never been promised. Nobody is holding a gun to your head here, so do what you want, but any complaints about HDMI 2.1 capabilities or pricing are premature at this point. Feel free to take your chances with Emotiva...
I'm sure Denon was equally happy, if not more so, with you.

If you define concern over unknowns as complaints, guilty as charged.

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I was happy to pay the price for that upgrade which had never been promised. Nobody is holding a gun to your head here, so do what you want, but any complaints about HDMI 2.1 capabilities or pricing are premature at this point. Feel free to take your chances with Emotiva...
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I'm sure Denon was equally happy, if not more so, with you.

If you define concern over unknowns as complaints, guilty as charged.

Once you go from a prospect to a customer, you've lost all your leverage.

So let's throw in a few more unknowns here. Does any of the following change your positions?

It would seem logical that the AV8500a with the HDMI 2.1 digital board already installed would also have few upgrades since the AV8805a will likely soldier on a few years a Marantz's headline AVP. Logical changes include:

- Replacement of the previous generation AK4490 DAC chip with the newly introduced AK4493, which appears to be a drop in replacement.

- Upgrade of the wireless network board from Bluetooth 3 to 5. This the small board that is plugged into the top side of the digital board. Bluetooth 5 is commonly available in the market on new products. This wireless board appears to be made outside of Marantz, so an upgrade would just be a change in specs by Marantz.

- Upgrade key resistors from thick film surface mount resistors to thin film. This has been done for many 2018 model D&M AVR and AVP's, Replacements drop-in at little added cost.

None of the above changes, except perhaps the Bluetooth changes, are likely to be noticeable, but still, not having the latest upgrades grates on some people.

Does the above change anything in your minds? Buy now, wait, or ?
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So let's throw in a few more unknowns here. Does any of the following change your positions?

It would seem logical that the AV8500a with the HDMI 2.1 digital board already installed would also have few upgrades since the AV8805a will likely soldier on a few years a Marantz's headline AVP. Logical changes include:

- Replacement of the previous generation AK4490 DAC chip with the newly introduced AK4493, which appears to be a drop in replacement.

- Upgrade of the wireless network board from Bluetooth 3 to 5. This the small board that is plugged into the top side of the digital board. Bluetooth 5 is commonly available in the market on new products. This wireless board appears to be made outside of Marantz, so an upgrade would just be a change in specs by Marantz.

- Upgrade key resistors from thick film surface mount resistors to thin film. This has been done for many 2018 model D&M AVR and AVP's, Replacements drop-in at little added cost.

None of the above changes, except perhaps the Bluetooth changes, are likely to be noticeable, but still, not having the latest upgrades grates on some people.

Does the above change anything in your minds? Buy now, wait, or ?
None of that changes my mind. For me, HDMI 2.1 is pretty much completely useless until I upgrade my current TV (LG 77" G7), which isn't likely to happen in the next couple of years. Upgrading to 4K resolution wasn't life changing for me. Adding HDR / Dolby Vision was a substantial upgrade. Moving from 4K to 8K isn't likely to be a big deal and I don't see anything else on the HDMI 2.1 list that the AV8805 doesn't already have as being must have features. Any fretting over HDMI 2.1 upgrades is largely wasted energy IMHO, but I also trust that Marantz will both make the upgrade available when it's ready and price it reasonably.


Regarding the $1000 upgrade for the Denon AVP-A1HDCI, I actually doubt that Denon made nearly as much profit on those as egrady seems to be inferring. It was a relatively major upgrade that included additional DSP's and a license upgrade to Audyssey XT Pro. They most likely had a non trivial amount of time invested in the R&D for that kit (including the software updates that were required), it was a low volume item, and the price included installation. It also significantly extended the useful life of the product and kept me completely happy until I upgraded to the 4K display. They had also never promised any of the features the upgrade provided when they launched the AVP.


Also consider this: if one holds off on a purchase until HDMI 2.1 support is fully baked into shipping product, HDMI 2.2 will be just around the corner and the cycle will never end.


If and when Marantz or some other company comes out with the next great thing, I'll take a look and upgrade if it looks like the new product is a worthwhile change to my system. For now, the only choices that would noticeably improve my system are a LOT more expensive than the AV8805. The Emotiva RMC-1 is not worth considering yet, based on the discussions I've followed. The Monoprice option looks interesting, but isn't available yet. Pretty much everything else worth considering as an alternative to the AV8805 is a lot more money.
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Hdmi switching issue

I have two monitors hooked up but when one is shut off the other will start flashing the picture every 4 seconds . It will only stop doing this when the secondary monitor is disconnected or turned back on. I have the monitor setting to dual. I have a sony a9g hooked up to main monitor hdmi out, and a 24” sharp hooked up to monitor 2 hdmi out. I would like to use the sharp for when im using heos to display song information and titles with out having to turn on the sony. Any thoughts?
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I have two monitors hooked up but when one is shut off the other will start flashing the picture every 4 seconds . It will only stop doing this when the secondary monitor is disconnected or turned back on. I have the monitor setting to dual. I have a sony a9g hooked up to main monitor hdmi out, and a 24” sharp hooked up to monitor 2 hdmi out. I would like to use the sharp for when im using heos to display song information and titles with out having to turn on the sony. Any thoughts?


Sounds like an hdmi sync issue. Switching inputs may help. Powering up with just the one monitor may also help if you know you will only be using the one.

You can also get the artist and song info from the Heos app so you really don’t need a display for that information.


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