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For even coverage, mount the front pair of heights a few feet forward of the front row, the back pair a few feet rearward of the back row, the middle pair splitting the gap between the two rows. Both rows will be able to distinguish height sounds that are forward of them, rearward of them, and overhead.
Thank you! That is how I have it sketched out, but really wanted some confirmation.

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Thanks, I’ve seen those suggested diagrams. They typically account for a single MLP and not a 2 row theater. I am hoping that the additional ceiling speakers may increase the sweet pot or coverage area. Although it is always a compromise!
Regardless of how many rows of seats you have, there is generally always only one MLP (ie. where you sit). Focus speaker placement on the MLP.
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Very interesting. I better start saving money!
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IMHO - this pre/pro is the safest bet. Seems the others (while on paper read well) are full of bugs. I'm assuming based on history that Marantz will have the bugs ironed out in this machine.

I do hope they can implement HDMI 2.1 or at least be capable of pass-through.

I also hope the powers that be stop with the shenanigans changing specs. Make something that does 1000gb and be done with it.
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Hi again,

Concerning the DACs, the specs sheet of the 8805 above indicates AKM AK4490, which are indicated as being "premium"... a direct differentiation from the 7704...

Now my personal interest in the 8805 lies in that - as the specs sheet above indicates - this 8805 will have a 9.2.4 capacity, aka it will be able to process wides in Atmos. This interest coming from the fact that our installation is 9.2.6.

And for those interested in getting an idea of what 9.X.X configurations can provide, some time ago I wrote an article for HCFR directly comparing 7.1.4 and 9.1.4 reproductions (+ 9.1.6 & 21.1.8, all this with the exceptional Trinnov Altitude 32...), it's available here (in French) :

http://www.homecinema-fr.com/dolby-a...1-6-et-21-1-8/

So in our case Spring 2018 (availability of the 8805 as JD indicated above) will be a tough period to decide which option to choose a 8805 with its 9.2.4 (or 7.2.6) capacity or a Trinnov Altitude 16 with a full 9.1.6 capacity...

And for those interested here is a photo I took for the look and specs of the static Trinnov A16 shown at the recent (mid October) Festival du Son et de l'Image in Paris.

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8805 has the same DAC as the current 8802A...so I’m wondering if Upgrade is serious or filler step. Of course I guess they will upgrade the partner pro the MM8077. Any news about that? I remain very unhappy with the speaker terminals on the 8077. They are rubbish inside and out. If I could replace them I would. Or replace the power amp I have considered too. But no alternatives spring readily to mind from ATC or elsewhere.

Hugo, the Trinnov is a major step up in # channels even at 16 vs 13.2.
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Nah ... the AV7702MKII is more akin to the Denon X4200W in both processing power and DAC while the flagship X7200WA is more akin to the AV8802A.
I owned both the 7200a and 8802A and now an AV 7704... its the dacs and video processing that make the difference. Video scaling noticeably better with the audio DACS just a bit easier to listen to in the flagship products.
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8805 has the same DAC as the current 8802A...so I’m wondering if Upgrade is serious or filler step. Of course I guess they will upgrade the partner pro the MM8077. Any news about that? I remain very unhappy with the speaker terminals on the 8077. They are rubbish inside and out. If I could replace them I would. Or replace the power amp I have considered too. But no alternatives spring readily to mind from ATC or elsewhere.

Hugo, the Trinnov is a major step up in # channels even at 16 vs 13.2.
Something else to note. MY 7704 gave up a web based control interface with the shift to HEOS. So I sit in my home office working away on my PC...my cell rings...with the 8802 I hit the browser tab with the control interface, mute the music, answer the phone...boom With the 7704 that is not possible because the control interface is on the cell phone I want to answer...if I want to control a device using HEOS I need to lug around a new tablet I have to buy....HEOS giveth and HEOS taketh away
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First world problems

I hear ya, I use Sonos in my office, but it doesn't work with my company's VPN, so I have to have Sonos up on my phone... if it rings, I have to get up and manually turn the volume down.....

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Something else to note. MY 7704 gave up a web based control interface with the shift to HEOS. So I sit in my home office working away on my PC...my cell rings...with the 8802 I hit the browser tab with the control interface, mute the music, answer the phone...boom With the 7704 that is not possible because the control interface is on the cell phone I want to answer...if I want to control a device using HEOS I need to lug around a new tablet I have to buy....HEOS giveth and HEOS taketh away

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So are they showing off the new unit at CES?
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So are they showing off the new unit at CES?
Not publicly. Read something that they will likely show it in February.
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No MQA so I will stay with my 8802A. Thanks for the link James

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We should be getting the HLG/ Dolby Vision pass-through update soon, i think March 18th for the 8802a. Don't forget!
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We should be getting the HLG/ Dolby Vision pass-through update soon, i think March 18th for the 8802a. Don't forget!
I thought this was the AV8805 thread?!? Why are we reminding people looking for the predecessor's update?
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It will be impossible for the Audyssey app to work on the 8802A (or the 7702). That is because engineering used the RAM on the new DSP's that isn't on the 8802 DSP's.

Like last round, I plan on digging into what the board level differences are, and compare those differences to subjective SQ differences. We shall see....
@SteveH so no audyssey pro support or support of any good quality calibrated mic and eq system for the 8805 ?

Pity...will be sticking with the 8802

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We should be getting the HLG/ Dolby Vision pass-through update soon, i think March 18th for the 8802a. Don't forget!


Thanks for the heads up Dave
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I didn't see any new features on the AV8805 (over the 8802a) that grabbed my attention. I supposed if I gave a fig about HEOS it might interest me but I'm mainly concerned about HT functionality. Did I miss something important or is this basically the 8802a with a new label?
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I didn't see any new features on the AV8805 (over the 8802a) that grabbed my attention. I supposed if I gave a fig about HEOS it might interest me but I'm mainly concerned about HT functionality. Did I miss something important or is this basically the 8802a with a new label?
couple of more atmos channels (adding option of Top middle ... but heck 4 seems enough reading film mixer in the denon thread saying thats all they are mixed with.

yep am happy to sit this one out...see what the true flagship or next model brings...
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I guess the biggy are the extra two channels of processing. It pretty much seals it for me, as I’ve pre-wired for 13 channels, so will now be able to utilise them all! Everything else on offer is just noise, I simply need (want) the 13 channel processing at a sensible price point.
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I'm wanting to play around with the Audyssey app as it's abilities have my interest.
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Marantz AV8805 with 13.2 channel signal processing and Auro 3D presented (CES 2018)



Marantz is using the CES 2018 Las Vegas framework to showcase their new AV8805 high-end AV preamps. The AV8805 supports 13.2 channel signal processing and is equipped for any multi-channel audio format - even for Auro 3D. The AV8805 will be available from February 2018 at an MSRP of € 3,999.00 from authorized retailers.

Marantz wants to offer with its new multi-channel receiver uncompromising processing of audio and image data. The device is specially designed for use with high quality external speakers. At a price point of 3.999, - EUR, it would be a sin to attach a cheap speaker package for 300, - €. In the black chassis, AK4490 slumber 32-bit D / A converter units on all channels for high-quality audio processing. Also, 3D formats such as Dolby Atmos, DTS: X and even Auro 3D (via firmware update in spring 2018) benefited from the D / A converter units. The Marantz AV8805 allows a maximum of 7.1.6 or 9.1.4 sound setups or full 13.1 Auro 3D sound.

For high-end performance, there are 15.2 channel XLR preamp outputs that provide external powered speakers with the best sound quality. Before audio signals are routed through the XLR outputs, they are processed via Marantz HDAM modules and, for example, adapted to high noise levels.

4K / 60p videos with HDR & Dolby Vision
The video section of the AV8805 supports all current and relevant standards. HDCP 2.2 protected 4K signals can be played back via the High Dynamic Range (HDR10, HLG, Dolby Vision) HDMI inputs and outputs and up to 60 frames per second - all at full 4: 4: 4 color resolution in the BT.2020 color space. Since we are in the ultra-high-end range, an ISF video calibration may not be missing.

In total, the user has 8 HDMI inputs (one on the front) and three HDMI outputs. For conventional SD / HD video sources, a 4K upscaler is also available. With a future update, it is even possible to deliver audio signals via an HDMI connection via eARC (enhanced audio return channel) to the receiver.

Stream happily wirelessly
The AV preamplifier AV8805 must not only show its best side in films and series. Even the daily enjoyment of music should be best satisfied by the flagship amplifier. Of course, the user can play his music sources directly through the countless connection options of the AV8805, or you can use Bluetooth and AirPlay to wirelessly transfer music. Music streaming apps such as Spotify Connect, Amazon Music, Tidal, Deezer, etc. but also Internet radio are a must in this price range.

HDMI 2.1 via update?
Who puts an AV preamplifier for a mere 3.999, - EUR in the house, of course, does not want that the device in 1-2 years is already outdated. Marantz therefore promises an "upgradable product design" to integrate future technologies via optional hardware and / or software upgrades. Sounds almost as if you have already made provision for the HDMI 2.1 interface.

Price & Availability
"Black is beautiful" - at least in this price segment. The AV8805 is so far only in a black version. Whether a silver model is refilled is not known. Anyone who has saved his Christmas bonus from grandma, who already in February 2018 from 3.999, - EUR (EIA) strike!

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Highlights features of the AV8805:



13.2-channel AV preamplifier with 15.2-channel XLR / RCA pre-outs
Enables use with virtually any power amplifier - including Marantz MM8077 - or powered speakers for flexible systems and lavish custom home theater setups
Ensures low-noise and interference-free transmission to the power amplifiers
Newly developed Marantz HDAM technology on separate boards for all channels
Highest fidelity thanks to tonally optimized, discreetly structured Current Feedback pre-stage
Separate design ensures extremely high channel separation and excellent signal-to-noise ratio
13.2-channel signal processing with 2 x ADI Griffin DSPs (Dual Core)
Full 32-bit signal processing for all channels guarantees high-precision real-time decoding and accurate post-processing
Design: Outstanding model construction with extremely stable, copper-coated chassis without unwanted vibrations, an oversized toroidal transformer with a solid aluminum base and extra reinforced topcover
High end craftsmanship in your own home theater
Optimum shielding from disturbing influences
Support for Dolby Atmos (up to 7.1.6 or 9.1.4), DTS: X and Auro-3D (up to 13.1, Auro-3D via free firmware update in spring 2018)
Room-filling and immersive 3D sound for every configuration
Automatic switching of the preamp outputs depending on the 3D sound format
Support for DTS Virtual: X
Impressive 3D sound emulation with a classic 2.0, 5.1 or 7.1 speaker setup
Powerful 32-bit AK4490 DACs
High-quality digital converter units for the clearest and most precise sound in music and movies
Support for DSD (2.8 / 5.6MHz), FLAC, ALAC and WAV
High-resolution audio streaming for hi-fi enthusiasts, even with gapless playback
WLAN integrated with 2.4 GHz / 5 GHz dual band support
Improved network stability, especially at high WLAN density
Bluetooth, AirPlay
Quick coupling and playback of own playlists
Wireless HEOS multiroom music streaming
Comfortable control options, easy integration of other HEOS components (speakers, soundbars, subwoofer) and virtually unlimited access to online music sources
Internet Radio, Spotify Connect, Amazon Music, Tidal, Deezer, Juke !, Napster, Network Audio Streaming
Access many popular online music sources via the free HEOS app
4K / 60Hz Full Rate Pass Through, 4: 4: 4 Color Resolution, HDR, BT.2020, Dolby Vision and Hybrid Log Gamma (HLG)
Support of current video formats
ISF Video Calibration
Ready for professional calibration of home theater TVs and projectors
Analogous to HDMI conversion and upscaling of conventional SD / HD video sources to 4K at full frame rate
Full HD and Ultra HD video quality with existing DVDs and analog sources
8 HDMI inputs (one at the front) with full HDCP 2.2 support, 3 HDMI outputs
Advanced connectivity - ready to control a TV and projector in parallel
eARC (Enhanced Audio Return Channel), about future firmware update *
Enables object-based audio (Dolby Atmos / DTS: X) via an HDMI connection to the TV or TV apps
Audyssey MultEQ XT32, Dynamic Volume and Dynamic EQ
Individual and perfect room acoustics correction for every room
Audyssey LFC and SubEQ HT
LFC keeps powerful but unobtrusive bass in the room at night, Sub-EQ HT allows the perfect tuning of two subwoofers
Audyssey MultEQ Editor App (optional and available for a fee in the respective App Stores)
Adjust the acoustics and sound in the home theater like the pros
Advanced options for Customer Installation (CI) and Smart Homes
Support for two additional stereo listening zones, IR inputs / outputs, 12V switch output, RS232 control and Crestron
Connected compatibility
Color Coded Speaker Connectors, Setup Wizard, Marantz AVR Remote App, HEOS App
Fast and easy setup and operation
Prepared for voice control via Amazon Alexa (expected from early summer 2018 in Germany / Austria)
Basic functions of the AV preamplifier and media selection via voice control in German via Amazon Echo and Echo Dot

Upgradeable product design
Designing the model allows the integration of new technologies through future optional hardware and / or software upgrades

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And live await a true denon or marantz flagship with calibrated mic and eq system as we have on the 8802 with audyssey pro
I have a hunch you're going to have a long wait for a new product from D&M that works with a calibrated mic (ala Audyssey Pro). Only guessing here on both of these points, but they've probably found that 1) a very small percentage of customers went with the Audyssey Pro option and 2) the generic mic is surprisingly close to the calibrated mics.

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yep am happy to sit this one out...see what the true flagship or next model brings...
Reading between the lines, my understanding is that D&M considers the current AV8802 and upcoming AV8805 their flagship pre-pro and we're wasting our time holding out for a higher end pre-pro from them (something at the Denon AVP-A1HDCI price point, for example). As much as I would also like to see such a product, I just don't believe it's going to happen. I don't recall either @SteveH or @jdsmoothie flat out saying it isn't going to happen, but they have more than implied it. Realistically, the potential sales volume probably doesn't support the effort from D&M's perspective. Look at how many people take pause when they see a list price in the $4000 USD range - how many people other than a handful of us posting here would actually buy such a product?

For me, I've got several options at this point:

1) Stick with my Denon AVP-A1HDCI until it dies. For 4K sources, run video direct to my TV and audio to the Denon via dual HDMI outputs or a splitter such as the HDFury AVR Key.
2) Buy the 8805 when it ships.
3) Consider other options

Option 3 seems to be my sticking point because there are actually a ton of options, depending on what I set my upper price limit to. I've been SO happy with the Denon and it has been the centerpiece of my system for so long that whatever I replace it with has some pretty big shoes to fill. Somehow I doubt that anything I replace it with is going to remain in my system for 8-10 years...
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couple of more atmos channels (adding option of Top middle ... but heck 4 seems enough reading film mixer in the denon thread saying thats all they are mixed with.

yep am happy to sit this one out...see what the true flagship or next model brings...
AUUGHHH - this year is killing me. I have been putting aside money for a new prepro to replace my old Denon AVP and to get a 77" OLED to replace my Sony 65" LCD/LED. Both were too much of a letdown for me to swing that kind of cash for so little improvement. It isn't so bad that this year was a sleeper but to have that money burning a hole in my pocket knowing I'll have to wait another year. If I'm going to dip that far into my savings certain bars have to be met. First world problems I know. On the plus side everything still works so it won't kill me but I feel like a kid on Christmas morning all set to open his new train set only to find out I got a sweater and some new socks.
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AUUGHHH - this year is killing me. I have been putting aside money for a new prepro to replace my old Denon AVP and to get a 77" OLED to replace my Sony 65" LCD/LED. Both were too much of a letdown for me to swing that kind of cash for so little improvement. It isn't so bad that this year was a sleeper but to have that money burning a hole in my pocket knowing I'll have to wait another year. If I'm going to dip that far into my savings certain bars have to be met. First world problems I know. On the plus side everything still works so it won't kill me but I feel like a kid on Christmas morning all set to open his new train set only to find out I got a sweater and some new socks.
yeah boe, i see no reason to change from the 8802, infact would see as a downgrade as loose the use of a calibrated mic and better eq system and capability of pro. 8805 doesn't bring anything i need. so will keep using the 8802A. was there something specifically chasing in the 8802 ? as the denon avp-a1hd is a fine flagship still. as have said many times sonically i believe its a better machine than the marantz. its just the marantz brings atmos which is what moved to, otherwise would still be using the avp ! one of our other aussie forum members got the marantz and not that happy to be honest. and wants to go back to the avp. the guy i sold the avp to is happy as larry

so yeah if dont see any burning reasons to move to 8805 ... then dont

if just wanting atmos and happy with 4 over head channels (i am) then get the 8802, probably find one cheap on run out ? enough to tide over while things sort themselves out....heck maybe i'll end up keeping the marantz for 8 years like did the avp

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yep am happy to sit this one out...see what the true flagship or next model brings...
Since the parent company just bought Classe, I wouldn't hold my breath....
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yeah boe, i see no reason to change from the 8802, infact would see as a downgrade as loose the use of a calibrated mic and better eq system and capability of pro. 8805 doesn't bring anything i need. so will keep using the 8802A. was there something specifically chasing in the 8802 ? as the denon avp-a1hd is a fine flagship still. as have said many times sonically i believe its a better machine than the marantz. its just the marantz brings atmos which is what moved to, otherwise would still be using the avp ! one of our other aussie forum members got the marantz and not that happy to be honest. and wants to go back to the avp. the guy i sold the avp to is happy as larry

so yeah if dont see any burning reasons to move to 8805 ... then dont

if just wanting atmos and happy with 4 over head channels (i am) then get the 8802, probably find one cheap on run out ? enough to tide over while things sort themselves out....heck maybe i'll end up keeping the marantz for 8 years like did the avp
You might want to add the mic / room calibration to the AV 8806 wish list
https://www.avsforum.com/forum/90-rec...l#post55471230
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