Marantz AV8805 15.2 XLR Pre/Pro Official Thread - Page 50 - AVS Forum | Home Theater Discussions And Reviews
Forum Jump: 
 2018Likes
Reply
 
Thread Tools
post #1471 of 4392 Old 05-03-2018, 07:03 AM
Member
 
Join Date: Sep 2014
Posts: 119
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 92 Post(s)
Liked: 13
Quote:
Originally Posted by jdsmoothie View Post
It is not possible to have 6 height speakers configured when Front Wide are configured.
Ugh, you're totally right! Why is the 4th output not assignable to FW?? I'm doing FH, SH, RSH, and I *thought* FW. But now I'm wondering if I should assign the SH to Top Middle and add a 7th Center Height. That way I can have 7 channels in the height layer, although Auro may suffer without the SHs.
JonnyFive54950 is offline  
Sponsored Links
Advertisement
 
post #1472 of 4392 Old 05-03-2018, 07:38 AM
gsr
Oppo Beta Group
 
gsr's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2001
Location: Massachusetts, USA
Posts: 10,354
Mentioned: 32 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 1981 Post(s)
Liked: 2388
Quote:
Originally Posted by DJB of Poole View Post
Thanks for a really focussed reply. We are on the same path kit-wise.
Yeah, I sort of chuckled when I saw your post.

Quote:
Originally Posted by DJB of Poole View Post
Given my primary focus on multichannel classical music, the inability to use the specialist Oppo audio output might well remove the 8805 from my shortlist.
I'm sure that a simple HDMI switch between one of the Oppo's HDMI outputs and the 8805 to be used to break the HDMI connection would resolve the problem; it's just frustrating to have to resort to such workarounds.

Quote:
Originally Posted by DJB of Poole View Post
The trouble is, the only other AVP on my list is the Emotiva RMC which is both more expensive (even more so here in UK) and untested in this, and all other, respects :-)
This assumes that Emotiva actually gets around to shipping the RMC at some point; I'm sure they will, but their projected release dates that they keep missing on just about everything they release get rather frustrating. But the specs for the RMC are rather impressive and I'm still toying with the idea of switching to it when it comes out. But I'm so pleased with the 8805 overall, that I'm really not sure it would be worth the effort to switch and Emotiva will undoubtedly include some undocumented "features" with the RMC that will be frustrating to deal with until fixed.
gsr is offline  
post #1473 of 4392 Old 05-03-2018, 08:36 AM
AVS Forum Special Member
 
audiofan1's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2009
Posts: 6,812
Mentioned: 17 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 2365 Post(s)
Liked: 2988
Quote:
Originally Posted by DJB of Poole View Post
Thanks for a really focussed reply. We are on the same path kit-wise.

Given my primary focus on multichannel classical music, the inability to use the specialist Oppo audio output might well remove the 8805 from my shortlist. The trouble is, the only other AVP on my list is the Emotiva RMC which is both more expensive (even more so here in UK) and untested in this, and all other, respects :-)
Quote:
Originally Posted by gsr View Post
Yeah, I sort of chuckled when I saw your post.


I'm sure that a simple HDMI switch between one of the Oppo's HDMI outputs and the 8805 to be used to break the HDMI connection would resolve the problem; it's just frustrating to have to resort to such workarounds.


This assumes that Emotiva actually gets around to shipping the RMC at some point; I'm sure they will, but their projected release dates that they keep missing on just about everything they release get rather frustrating. But the specs for the RMC are rather impressive and I'm still toying with the idea of switching to it when it comes out. But I'm so pleased with the 8805 overall, that I'm really not sure it would be worth the effort to switch and Emotiva will undoubtedly include some undocumented "features" with the RMC that will be frustrating to deal with until fixed.
The jitter enhancement introduced on the 8802 allowed me to part ways with my 105 using its analog outs vs that of hdmi to the 8802 for stereo, it just sounded amazing. I can indeed understand wanting to be able to use the feature but as it stands that special jitter tuning along with even more tweaking by Marantz via the 8805 is of another order of even Higher fidelity, I'm continually recording after recording amazed at how transparent and clean the top end is without a hint of distortion or noise.
TL5 likes this.
audiofan1 is offline  
Sponsored Links
Advertisement
 
post #1474 of 4392 Old 05-03-2018, 09:13 AM
AVS Forum Addicted Member
Industry Insider
 
Cleveland Plasma's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2005
Location: Cleveland, Ohio
Posts: 24,936
Mentioned: 82 Post(s)
Tagged: 1 Thread(s)
Quoted: 6853 Post(s)
Liked: 6855
Quote:
Originally Posted by drh3b View Post
Especially if it's over 70 lbs. A box over 70 lbs takes a different, often even rougher ride than an under 70 box.
True, that is where commercial freight comes in......

Quote:
Originally Posted by pennynike1 View Post
My long awaited 8805 is in, and got a chance to listen to The Greatest Showman last night.
Just like that, they finally show up...
Cleveland Plasma is online now  
post #1475 of 4392 Old 05-03-2018, 09:18 AM
gsr
Oppo Beta Group
 
gsr's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2001
Location: Massachusetts, USA
Posts: 10,354
Mentioned: 32 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 1981 Post(s)
Liked: 2388
Quote:
Originally Posted by audiofan1 View Post
The jitter enhancement introduced on the 8802 allowed me to part ways with my 105 using its analog outs vs that of hdmi to the 8802 for stereo, it just sounded amazing. I can indeed understand wanting to be able to use the feature but as it stands that special jitter tuning along with even more tweaking by Marantz via the 8805 is of another order of even Higher fidelity, I'm continually recording after recording amazed at how transparent and clean the top end is without a hint of distortion or noise.
We're not discussing use of the Oppo's analog outputs at all here; this is purely about the HDMI outputs. It's certainly possible that the jitter reduction feature on the UDP-205's audio only HDMI output doesn't add anything useful when paired with the 8805, but at the same time it's kind of nice to have options available to play around with if nothing else. I certainly won't ditch the 8805 because of this though; if I switched to the Emotiva RMC-1, it would be for other reasons, such as switching from Audyssey to Dirac. There's also no guarantee at this point that the RMC-1's HDMI inputs won't have the same "issue" (of keeping all HDMI inputs active) when paired with the Oppo.
gsr is offline  
post #1476 of 4392 Old 05-03-2018, 09:22 AM
gsr
Oppo Beta Group
 
gsr's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2001
Location: Massachusetts, USA
Posts: 10,354
Mentioned: 32 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 1981 Post(s)
Liked: 2388
Quote:
Originally Posted by Cleveland Plasma View Post
True, that is where commercial freight comes in......
Every time I've explored that option as a "regular" person without a business, it seems to have been a ridiculously expensive option. I've been advised to only sell my old Denon AVP-A1HDCI locally or ship it via freight as having it abused by the normal ground options is too risky, so if there are affordable ways to ship a small (dimensionally) item like that via freight, I'm all ears.
AustinJerry likes this.
gsr is offline  
post #1477 of 4392 Old 05-03-2018, 11:37 AM
AVS Forum Special Member
 
pennynike1's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2007
Location: Wisconsin
Posts: 1,125
Mentioned: 77 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 660 Post(s)
Liked: 32
Quote:
Originally Posted by Cleveland Plasma View Post
Just like that, they finally show up...
Yep, and then leaves me wondering what things could be if Tag Mclaren had stayed in the processor game. I had been without my 8802a for over a month, and in that time I was enjoying what my tag McLaren offered. The Marantz offers further options and channel count, and Atmos and DTS x, otherwise, my tag would still be in use for multi channel audio

For sale: Oppo 203 UHD player; 2 Mackie c300z speakers, Tag Mclaren av32r preamplifier
pennynike1 is offline  
post #1478 of 4392 Old 05-03-2018, 11:42 AM
AVS Forum Addicted Member
 
lovingdvd's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2002
Posts: 13,013
Mentioned: 91 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 3741 Post(s)
Liked: 905
Quote:
Originally Posted by pennynike1 View Post
Time stamp is unknown, but near end of movie when PT Barnum rides the elephant over to his family. He gets off the elephant and says something to the animal. I would like to know if what he says is clearly intelligible to you on the 8805, or if it comes across as garbled or difficult to understand. Could be just the way it was filmed/recorded.

Trying to determine if what I am hearing is 8805 specific, if this may be a difference in utilizing hdmi vs coax cord when comparing to my old processor, just source material related, or related to some other issue.
OK. Although I'm not sure how valid a test this is from person to person and room to room. Differences in people's hearings, rooms and treatments and or lack thereof, speakers, seating distance, volume level and more can affect how well one person may hear something compared to another.
lovingdvd is offline  
post #1479 of 4392 Old 05-03-2018, 11:58 AM
AVS Forum Special Member
 
pennynike1's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2007
Location: Wisconsin
Posts: 1,125
Mentioned: 77 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 660 Post(s)
Liked: 32
Quote:
Originally Posted by lovingdvd View Post
OK. Although I'm not sure how valid a test this is from person to person and room to room. Differences in people's hearings, rooms and treatments and or lack thereof, speakers, seating distance, volume level and more can affect how well one person may hear something compared to another.
I seem to be getting a little more detail in what he says from my old processor compared to the 8805 in my theater during this specific scene, so I am trying to figure out why this would be. The Marantz is utilizing a very expensive hdmi cable, whereas my older processor is just using coax

For sale: Oppo 203 UHD player; 2 Mackie c300z speakers, Tag Mclaren av32r preamplifier
pennynike1 is offline  
post #1480 of 4392 Old 05-03-2018, 12:09 PM
AVS Forum Addicted Member
 
lovingdvd's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2002
Posts: 13,013
Mentioned: 91 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 3741 Post(s)
Liked: 905
Quote:
Originally Posted by pennynike1 View Post
I seem to be getting a little more detail in what he says from my old processor compared to the 8805 in my theater during this specific scene, so I am trying to figure out why this would be. The Marantz is utilizing a very expensive hdmi cable, whereas my older processor is just using coax
Have both configurations been EQ'ed with Audyssey or otherwise? Are both outputting the same sound mode? Atmos in both, etc etc.
lovingdvd is offline  
post #1481 of 4392 Old 05-03-2018, 12:40 PM
AVS Forum Special Member
 
pennynike1's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2007
Location: Wisconsin
Posts: 1,125
Mentioned: 77 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 660 Post(s)
Liked: 32
Lightbulb Tag McLaren vs Marantz

Quote:
Originally Posted by lovingdvd View Post
Have both configurations been EQ'ed with Audyssey or otherwise? Are both outputting the same sound mode? Atmos in both, etc etc.
Negative x2, since my Tag Mclaren was purchased around the year 2000. The tag is outputting dolby digital, and doesnt have any of the eq advantages that the Marantz has. It is using the same settings from back in the day, without tweaking. Literally, the tag mclaren was plug and play. The Marantz does the same thing in the scene, both with audyssey active and without it active in Dolby Atmos

For sale: Oppo 203 UHD player; 2 Mackie c300z speakers, Tag Mclaren av32r preamplifier

Last edited by pennynike1; 05-03-2018 at 03:16 PM.
pennynike1 is offline  
post #1482 of 4392 Old 05-03-2018, 01:46 PM
AVS Forum Special Member
 
bigguyca's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2007
Location: East Turkestan
Posts: 1,874
Mentioned: 36 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 1194 Post(s)
Liked: 995
Quote:
Originally Posted by gsr View Post
The Oppo UDP-205's 2nd audio only HDMI output includes jitter reduction enhancements. Even if the 8805 has similar enhancements, it would be nice to be able to make use of both outputs on the Oppo, if desired. If nothing else, it would give more options for optimizing 1 input configuration for music and another for surround sound on the 8805.
Quote:
Originally Posted by DJB of Poole View Post
Thanks for a really focussed reply. We are on the same path kit-wise.

Given my primary focus on multichannel classical music, the inability to use the specialist Oppo audio output might well remove the 8805 from my shortlist. The trouble is, the only other AVP on my list is the Emotiva RMC which is both more expensive (even more so here in UK) and untested in this, and all other, respects :-)
You two are kidding yourselves. From the OPPO link provided in the first post:

"If the decoder uses a completely new, locally generated clock to drive out the decoded data, then jitter reduction on the player side is not a benefit,..."

At least the top line Denon and Marantz units use a locally generated clock provided by a high quality IC that is used just for this purpose. This has been the case for many years. Unless you believe that the combined audio/video HDMI output on the OPPO is very poor, your HDMI cables are junk, the Panasonic IC's used to received HDMI in most high line AV units don't function properly, and/or the error correction built into the HDMI standards doesn't work, then the 2nd audio only HDMI output on the OPPO provides no benefit.

The BPD-105 has two audio/video HDMI outputs with the video from two different processors, the UPD-205 eliminated video from the 2nd output. This jitter reduction "feature" may have been a way to placate potential buyers who might complain about the lost video output in a unit that cost more than the unit it replaced.

The money spent on the jitter reduction feature would have been better spent on adding differential amplifiers to the outputs of the ESS DAC's on the high quality analog audio side to remove the common mode noise from the DSS chips. This improvement would actually have improved audio quality from at least the high quality analog stereo outputs.
dwaleke likes this.
bigguyca is online now  
post #1483 of 4392 Old 05-03-2018, 03:43 PM
Member
 
JL-F1's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2013
Posts: 99
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 15 Post(s)
Liked: 18
Quote:
Originally Posted by DJB of Poole View Post
Thanks for a really focussed reply. We are on the same path kit-wise.

Given my primary focus on multichannel classical music, the inability to use the specialist Oppo audio output might well remove the 8805 from my shortlist. The trouble is, the only other AVP on my list is the Emotiva RMC which is both more expensive (even more so here in UK) and untested in this, and all other, respects :-)
How about connect the Oppo Audio and Video HDMI direct to the tv/projector and then connect the audio only oppo HDMI to the AVR?
JL-F1 is offline  
post #1484 of 4392 Old 05-03-2018, 03:53 PM
Senior Member
 
DJB of Poole's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2009
Location: Hampshire, UK
Posts: 232
Mentioned: 1 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 64 Post(s)
Liked: 27
Quote:
Originally Posted by JL-F1 View Post
How about connect the Oppo Audio and Video HDMI direct to the tv/projector and then connect the audio only oppo HDMI to the AVR?
That would leave me with only the Oppo providing pictures, where would I put the other HDMI AV sources that give me Freesat (UK), Amazon TV, Netflix, BBC iPlayer etc. etc.? A nice piece of divergent thinking though. It makes me think :-)
DJB of Poole is offline  
post #1485 of 4392 Old 05-03-2018, 04:26 PM
Member
 
JL-F1's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2013
Posts: 99
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 15 Post(s)
Liked: 18
use two inputs in the tv/projector

1 for oppo direct hdmi
2 for hdmi output from avr

have your remote, harmony I hope , switch the tv input based on source, oppo- tv input 1, everything else- tv input 2
rickcfer and DJB of Poole like this.
JL-F1 is offline  
post #1486 of 4392 Old 05-04-2018, 06:00 AM
Senior Member
 
rickcfer's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2002
Posts: 419
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 85 Post(s)
Liked: 57
Quote:
Originally Posted by JL-F1 View Post
use two inputs in the tv/projector

1 for oppo direct hdmi
2 for hdmi output from avr

have your remote, harmony I hope , switch the tv input based on source, oppo- tv input 1, everything else- tv input 2
That is exactly how i have it with the 205 and 8805. The Harmony is set up for each activity and the only thing you lose is the on screen volume
display when using the Oppo.
rickcfer is offline  
post #1487 of 4392 Old 05-04-2018, 07:06 AM
Senior Member
 
DJB of Poole's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2009
Location: Hampshire, UK
Posts: 232
Mentioned: 1 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 64 Post(s)
Liked: 27
Quote:
Originally Posted by rickcfer View Post
That is exactly how i have it with the 205 and 8805. The Harmony is set up for each activity and the only thing you lose is the on screen volume
display when using the Oppo.
This useful information, thanks - and no I don't own a Harmony - I always take pleasure in having a table covered in remotes :-)

I thought you would all like to know what Marantz UK thought. I summarise: linking two HDMI cables to the same device is not what Oppo appear to be expecting customers to do. The fact that my Denon AVP is happy with this arrangement and the 8805 is not, is just one of those things.

In fairness to a very cooperative technical support manager, the answer was much longer and much more detailed than that and I really could not have received better service as far as it went. Since I am not yet committed to the 8805, this will just be part of my future decision. I am also continuing to read what you guys think, for which my thanks.
DJB of Poole is offline  
post #1488 of 4392 Old 05-04-2018, 08:55 AM
AVS Forum Addicted Member
Industry Insider
 
Cleveland Plasma's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2005
Location: Cleveland, Ohio
Posts: 24,936
Mentioned: 82 Post(s)
Tagged: 1 Thread(s)
Quoted: 6853 Post(s)
Liked: 6855
Quote:
Originally Posted by gsr View Post
Every time I've explored that option as a "regular" person without a business, it seems to have been a ridiculously expensive option. I've been advised to only sell my old Denon AVP-A1HDCI locally or ship it via freight as having it abused by the normal ground options is too risky, so if there are affordable ways to ship a small (dimensionally) item like that via freight, I'm all ears.
Commercial freight is about $200 on most items that are smaller. look at www.sekoworldwide.com . Do you have the original box for the Denon? If not keep it next time. If you have the original box its pretty hard for a carrier to fight a claim, especially if you double box the unit. Damages are rare over all with all carriers, about 1% or less.....those are great odds.....

Last edited by Cleveland Plasma; 05-04-2018 at 01:57 PM.
Cleveland Plasma is online now  
post #1489 of 4392 Old 05-04-2018, 09:38 AM
gsr
Oppo Beta Group
 
gsr's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2001
Location: Massachusetts, USA
Posts: 10,354
Mentioned: 32 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 1981 Post(s)
Liked: 2388
Quote:
Originally Posted by Cleveland Plasma View Post
Commercial freight is about $200 on most items that are smaller. look at www.sekowordwide.com . Do you have the original box for the Denon? If not keep it next time. If you have the original box its pretty hard for a carrier to fight a claim, especially if you double box the unit. Damages are rare over all with all carriers, about 1% or less.....those are great odds.....
Thanks, I suspect that should be sekoworldwide (the L was missing) though. Yes, I always keep the original boxes for stuff I buy. As hard as it may be for a carrier to fight a claim, I had a really hard time with UPS a number of years ago when they mangled a Mark Levinson CD player. It took a long time and a ton of frustration to get them to pay me. The problem with the Denon is that the normal drops that occur as part of standard ground handling may be enough to do things like dislodge a board without any visible damage to the shipping box - I really don't want to have the buyer return the item because of that and it's most likely a tough claim to file and win with the carrier.
gsr is offline  
post #1490 of 4392 Old 05-04-2018, 10:40 AM
AVS Forum Special Member
 
drh3b's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2017
Location: Saint Louis, MO
Posts: 3,901
Mentioned: 34 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 2108 Post(s)
Liked: 4262
Quote:
Originally Posted by gsr View Post
Thanks, I suspect that should be sekoworldwide (the L was missing) though. Yes, I always keep the original boxes for stuff I buy. As hard as it may be for a carrier to fight a claim, I had a really hard time with UPS a number of years ago when they mangled a Mark Levinson CD player. It took a long time and a ton of frustration to get them to pay me. The problem with the Denon is that the normal drops that occur as part of standard ground handling may be enough to do things like dislodge a board without any visible damage to the shipping box - I really don't want to have the buyer return the item because of that and it's most likely a tough claim to file and win with the carrier.
It will probably be OK. Most stuff is boxed pretty well, a normal drop/fall isn't going to damage anything. If something arrives damaged, it got abused beyond normal drops and falls.

One tip, especially since most electronics are boxed to be oriented a certain way, is to always put the shipping label on the side of the box you want facing up. That will raise the chances of the side you need up to actually be up. One thing I do is put a copy of the shipping label in the box with the item. Can't be too careful or paranoid.
audiofan1 likes this.
drh3b is offline  
post #1491 of 4392 Old 05-04-2018, 02:41 PM
Senior Member
 
rickcfer's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2002
Posts: 419
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 85 Post(s)
Liked: 57
Quote:
Originally Posted by DJB of Poole View Post
This useful information, thanks - and no I don't own a Harmony - I always take pleasure in having a table covered in remotes :-)

I thought you would all like to know what Marantz UK thought. I summarise: linking two HDMI cables to the same device is not what Oppo appear to be expecting customers to do. The fact that my Denon AVP is happy with this arrangement and the 8805 is not, is just one of those things.

In fairness to a very cooperative technical support manager, the answer was much longer and much more detailed than that and I really could not have received better service as far as it went. Since I am not yet committed to the 8805, this will just be part of my future decision. I am also continuing to read what you guys think, for which my thanks.
I

I think you misunderstood my set up.
I'm not sending both Oppo outputs to the display.
The Oppo main Hdmi out goes to an Hdmi input on the display; the audio only Hdmi goes to the 8805.
All other Hdmi sources(Apple TV, Cable box,HTPC) go to the Marantz 8805 other inputs and the 8805 Main Hdmi Output goes to a second input on the display(Sony Z9D).
This is how Oppo did expect us to do it! You switch the Marantz to the Oppo input as well as the display to the Oppo input and get both audio and video.

I'm sorry in advance if I misunderstood what you're trying to accomplish By the way the Marantz sounds awesome.
rickcfer is offline  
post #1492 of 4392 Old 05-04-2018, 03:35 PM
Senior Member
 
DJB of Poole's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2009
Location: Hampshire, UK
Posts: 232
Mentioned: 1 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 64 Post(s)
Liked: 27
Quote:
Originally Posted by rickcfer View Post
I

I think you misunderstood my set up.
I'm not sending both Oppo outputs to the display.
The Oppo main Hdmi out goes to an Hdmi input on the display; the audio only Hdmi goes to the 8805.
All other Hdmi sources(Apple TV, Cable box,HTPC) go to the Marantz 8805 other inputs and the 8805 Main Hdmi Output goes to a second input on the display(Sony Z9D).
This is how Oppo did expect us to do it! You switch the Marantz to the Oppo input as well as the display to the Oppo input and get both audio and video.

I'm sorry in advance if I misunderstood what you're trying to accomplish By the way the Marantz sounds awesome.
I agree. I am enjoying my demo unit and it does sound and look very good. The problem I would have with your display connection is that my Epson projector is a few metres away down the other end of the room and I only have one very long HDMI lead feeding it. I would have to double this up to achieve what you do. But it is a viable approach. Once the 8805 goes back to the dealer I shall return to using the Denon AVP which fortunately has no difficultly functioning with two HDMI feeds from the Oppo 205. Just lucky I guess that I then only need a single Denon to Epson connection.

I hope I can avoid committing to the 8805 before I have had a chance to try out the Emotiva RMC. The UK importer is not very confident of them arriving for a while yet.
DJB of Poole is offline  
post #1493 of 4392 Old 05-04-2018, 04:51 PM
Member
 
MysticRiver's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2008
Location: Medford, MA, USA
Posts: 16
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 19 Post(s)
Liked: 4
My somewhat ancient Acurus ACT-3 pre/pro stopped working. (I say "somewhat" because I had the guts swapped out with a 7.1 board from their Aragon receiver sister company, about 10 years ago.) My wiring is a bit of a mess and didn't feel like debugging it so I decided, screw it, I'm upgrading. Why send an obsolete unit with little resale value in for service? And wouldn't all those groovy new features be worth it, plus probably better sound? A recent windfall says I can afford it...

The AV8802A caught my eye, then the AV8805 sounded great on paper. Studied for awhile, then ordered one from MusicDirect.com. "Not in stock" because they don't stock them at all, but nobody was offering them sooner than 2.5 weeks. They order one from Marantz, then they ship it to you. Not much value add for the full retail price.

Today, it CAME! "O frabjous day! Callooh! Callay!" (Jabberwocky expressions)

Set it up. The setup appeared on the TV screen, told me how to wire speakers to a power amp and other stuff I already knew. Ready for the test tones, and... nothing, nada. I knew that my power amps and speakers were wired right, because touching the tip on the RCA cord caused the expected hum in each speaker.

The tech support guy at MusicDirect knew less about it than I do, telling me I had to assign channels and stuff to get sound - not true, the set up does the basic stuff. Told me to call Marantz.

Marantz of course had better tech support. We went through the stuff I had already done. He said, let's try a hard reset (which BTW involves opening the receiver flap, press and hold the Game / Info buttons that are next to each other, then power on and wait for light to flash). Now we tried the setup again, and... nothing. The Marantz guy told me to call the dealer and swap it out.

They wanted me to pack up the bad one, ship it back for them to examine... and after THAT they would order a new one from Marantz (because they don't stock it). Total time for exchange: about a month. Can't you expedite it somehow, do a cross-ship to save me time. She got all defensive and eventually sighed and said she would check to see if there were options like that.

During the next half hour I went to Amazon and found several dealers had it supposedly in stock. One will charge me full retail, no tax, free shipping, get it to me by Wednesday. Another offers about a 15% discount but I pay shipping and it comes in three weeks.

So I called MusicDirect back and asked if I could return it for refund instead. She agreed, even sounded relieved. I packed the bad one up. Honestly, MusicDirect doesn't provide much added value for their full retail price, especially when they don't even bother to keep one or two in stock.

Just for the heck of it, I reconnected the ACT-3 - and huh! it played music just fine. I don't know if there was maybe just a problem with the AV input, or what. I'll check it out over the weekend.

The AV8805 has great new technology, but 5.1 and 7.1 surround with less than the most recent DTS and Dolby standards is sufficient for a lot of what we watch. Most DVDs don't come with the very latest sound standards like ATMOS. So I'm back to the drawing board, not knowing if now is the time to upgrade, or wait for lower prices or a newer model. Probably I'll order an AV8805 after thinking about it over the weekend, but for now I'm on the fence.

Last edited by MysticRiver; 05-04-2018 at 04:56 PM.
MysticRiver is offline  
post #1494 of 4392 Old 05-04-2018, 05:21 PM
AVS Forum Special Member
 
jmschnur's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2001
Location: VA MD DC area
Posts: 3,188
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 127 Post(s)
Liked: 62
Quote:
Originally Posted by MysticRiver View Post
My somewhat ancient Acurus ACT-3 pre/pro stopped working. (I say "somewhat" because I had the guts swapped out with a 7.1 board from their Aragon receiver sister company, about 10 years ago.) My wiring is a bit of a mess and didn't feel like debugging it so I decided, screw it, I'm upgrading. Why send an obsolete unit with little resale value in for service? And wouldn't all those groovy new features be worth it, plus probably better sound? A recent windfall says I can afford it...

The AV8802A caught my eye, then the AV8805 sounded great on paper. Studied for awhile, then ordered one from MusicDirect.com. "Not in stock" because they don't stock them at all, but nobody was offering them sooner than 2.5 weeks. They order one from Marantz, then they ship it to you. Not much value add for the full retail price.

Today, it CAME! "O frabjous day! Callooh! Callay!" (Jabberwocky expressions)

Set it up. The setup appeared on the TV screen, told me how to wire speakers to a power amp and other stuff I already knew. Ready for the test tones, and... nothing, nada. I knew that my power amps and speakers were wired right, because touching the tip on the RCA cord caused the expected hum in each speaker.

The tech support guy at MusicDirect knew less about it than I do, telling me I had to assign channels and stuff to get sound - not true, the set up does the basic stuff. Told me to call Marantz.

Marantz of course had better tech support. We went through the stuff I had already done. He said, let's try a hard reset (which BTW involves opening the receiver flap, press and hold the Game / Info buttons that are next to each other, then power on and wait for light to flash). Now we tried the setup again, and... nothing. The Marantz guy told me to call the dealer and swap it out.

They wanted me to pack up the bad one, ship it back for them to examine... and after THAT they would order a new one from Marantz (because they don't stock it). Total time for exchange: about a month. Can't you expedite it somehow, do a cross-ship to save me time. She got all defensive and eventually sighed and said she would check to see if there were options like that.

During the next half hour I went to Amazon and found several dealers had it supposedly in stock. One will charge me full retail, no tax, free shipping, get it to me by Wednesday. Another offers about a 15% discount but I pay shipping and it comes in three weeks.

So I called MusicDirect back and asked if I could return it for refund instead. She agreed, even sounded relieved. I packed the bad one up. Honestly, MusicDirect doesn't provide much added value for their full retail price, especially when they don't even bother to keep one or two in stock.

Just for the heck of it, I reconnected the ACT-3 - and huh! it played music just fine. I don't know if there was maybe just a problem with the AV input, or what. I'll check it out over the weekend.

The AV8805 has great new technology, but 5.1 and 7.1 surround with less than the most recent DTS and Dolby standards is sufficient for a lot of what we watch. Most DVDs don't come with the very latest sound standards like ATMOS. So I'm back to the drawing board, not knowing if now is the time to upgrade, or wait for lower prices or a newer model. Probably I'll order an AV8805 after thinking about it over the weekend, but for now I'm on the fence.
Remember to turn up the volume when you do the test tones.

Sony A1E, Marantz 8805, Montis, Bryston,
jmschnur is offline  
post #1495 of 4392 Old 05-04-2018, 06:19 PM
gsr
Oppo Beta Group
 
gsr's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2001
Location: Massachusetts, USA
Posts: 10,354
Mentioned: 32 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 1981 Post(s)
Liked: 2388
Before paying full price for one of these from an online vendor, contact @jdsmoothie or @SteveH . They're both great to work with, provide a let of free help here, and make it more affordable.
Budley007, dwaleke, Cal68 and 4 others like this.

Last edited by gsr; 05-05-2018 at 12:04 PM.
gsr is offline  
post #1496 of 4392 Old 05-04-2018, 06:54 PM
AVS Forum Special Member
 
StevenC56's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2006
Posts: 2,497
Mentioned: 8 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 586 Post(s)
Liked: 206
Quote:
Originally Posted by gsr View Post
Before paying full price for one of these from an online vendor, contact @jdsmoothie or @SteveH . They're both great to work with, provide a let of free help here, and will give you a nice discount.
There are some other really good authorized sellers on this forum as well. They are just not allowed to say they are for some reason.

JVC X750R Projector,Yamaha CX-A5200 Pre-Pro, Yamaha RX-Z11 Receiver, (Amps Only) Yamaha MX-D1 Power Amps x 2, Yamaha RX-Z1 (L&R Surround Channel Amp), Oppo BDP-103D BR, Panasonic DP-UB820 UHD, Pioneer Elite CLD-99 LD, Definitive Tech BP7000SC Mains, CLR3000 Center, BPVX Surround Sides&Backs, BPX F&R Presence, Martin Logan Abyss Front L&R Subs/Dynamo L&R Rear Surround Channel Subs, Infinity SSW-210 Center Channel Sub.
StevenC56 is offline  
post #1497 of 4392 Old 05-04-2018, 07:13 PM
exm
AVS Forum Special Member
 
exm's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2001
Location: NYY
Posts: 1,628
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 254 Post(s)
Liked: 117
Quote:
Originally Posted by MysticRiver View Post
My somewhat ancient Acurus ACT-3 pre/pro stopped working. (I say "somewhat" because I had the guts swapped out with a 7.1 board from their Aragon receiver sister company, about 10 years ago.) My wiring is a bit of a mess and didn't feel like debugging it so I decided, screw it, I'm upgrading. Why send an obsolete unit with little resale value in for service? And wouldn't all those groovy new features be worth it, plus probably better sound? A recent windfall says I can afford it...

The AV8802A caught my eye, then the AV8805 sounded great on paper. Studied for awhile, then ordered one from MusicDirect.com. "Not in stock" because they don't stock them at all, but nobody was offering them sooner than 2.5 weeks. They order one from Marantz, then they ship it to you. Not much value add for the full retail price.

Today, it CAME! "O frabjous day! Callooh! Callay!" (Jabberwocky expressions)

Set it up. The setup appeared on the TV screen, told me how to wire speakers to a power amp and other stuff I already knew. Ready for the test tones, and... nothing, nada. I knew that my power amps and speakers were wired right, because touching the tip on the RCA cord caused the expected hum in each speaker.

The tech support guy at MusicDirect knew less about it than I do, telling me I had to assign channels and stuff to get sound - not true, the set up does the basic stuff. Told me to call Marantz.

Marantz of course had better tech support. We went through the stuff I had already done. He said, let's try a hard reset (which BTW involves opening the receiver flap, press and hold the Game / Info buttons that are next to each other, then power on and wait for light to flash). Now we tried the setup again, and... nothing. The Marantz guy told me to call the dealer and swap it out.

They wanted me to pack up the bad one, ship it back for them to examine... and after THAT they would order a new one from Marantz (because they don't stock it). Total time for exchange: about a month. Can't you expedite it somehow, do a cross-ship to save me time. She got all defensive and eventually sighed and said she would check to see if there were options like that.

During the next half hour I went to Amazon and found several dealers had it supposedly in stock. One will charge me full retail, no tax, free shipping, get it to me by Wednesday. Another offers about a 15% discount but I pay shipping and it comes in three weeks.

So I called MusicDirect back and asked if I could return it for refund instead. She agreed, even sounded relieved. I packed the bad one up. Honestly, MusicDirect doesn't provide much added value for their full retail price, especially when they don't even bother to keep one or two in stock.

Just for the heck of it, I reconnected the ACT-3 - and huh! it played music just fine. I don't know if there was maybe just a problem with the AV input, or what. I'll check it out over the weekend.

The AV8805 has great new technology, but 5.1 and 7.1 surround with less than the most recent DTS and Dolby standards is sufficient for a lot of what we watch. Most DVDs don't come with the very latest sound standards like ATMOS. So I'm back to the drawing board, not knowing if now is the time to upgrade, or wait for lower prices or a newer model. Probably I'll order an AV8805 after thinking about it over the weekend, but for now I'm on the fence.
If you're using 5.1 or 7.1 surround, I would recommend the AV8802A.
exm is offline  
post #1498 of 4392 Old 05-04-2018, 07:17 PM
Member
 
MysticRiver's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2008
Location: Medford, MA, USA
Posts: 16
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 19 Post(s)
Liked: 4
Quote:
Originally Posted by jmschnur View Post
Remember to turn up the volume when you do the test tones.
Thanks. Yes, it was turned up to 71, per instructions from Marantz tech support.
MysticRiver is offline  
post #1499 of 4392 Old 05-05-2018, 09:26 AM
AVS Forum Addicted Member
Industry Insider
 
Cleveland Plasma's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2005
Location: Cleveland, Ohio
Posts: 24,936
Mentioned: 82 Post(s)
Tagged: 1 Thread(s)
Quoted: 6853 Post(s)
Liked: 6855
Quote:
Originally Posted by gsr View Post
Before paying full price for one of these from an online vendor
Oh, she has a lot of margin to play with that's for sure.....
Cleveland Plasma is online now  
post #1500 of 4392 Old 05-05-2018, 11:28 AM
Member
 
bearcat2002's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2002
Location: Fremont, NE
Posts: 148
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 79 Post(s)
Liked: 35
Finally got the 8805 hooked up with the Marantz family of amps. Sounds amazing.
Attached Thumbnails
Click image for larger version

Name:	IMG_2474.jpg
Views:	235
Size:	774.7 KB
ID:	2399220  
exm, TL5, leadliner and 4 others like this.
bearcat2002 is online now  
Sponsored Links
Advertisement
 
Reply Receivers, Amps, and Processors

Thread Tools
Show Printable Version Show Printable Version
Email this Page Email this Page


Forum Jump: 

Posting Rules  
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are Off
Pingbacks are Off
Refbacks are Off