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@DOC1963 , like you, I had zero issues with the marantz. It is not good news for me about video sync issues with the current emotivas, especially since I am awaiting a new jvc true 4k projector. I am confident in my former 8805, but not sure what I will get with the emotiva.

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@DOC1963 , like you, I had zero issues with the marantz. It is not good news for me about video sync issues with the current emotivas, especially since I am awaiting a new jvc true 4k projector. I am confident in my former 8805, but not sure what I will get with the emotiva.

Thanks for the heads up!
I have heard Emotiva claim that, supposedly, these issues are a result of the new board's inter-operation with the XMC-1 and the RMC-x won't suffer them since it was designed for the 4k board. Of course, even if that's true, it doesn't bode well for a flawless future HDMI upgrade path. </off-topic>
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I have heard Emotiva claim that, supposedly, these issues are a result of the new board's inter-operation with the XMC-1 and the RMC-x won't suffer them since it was designed for the 4k board.
Where did you get this information? Even if someone from Emotiva actually stated this I would still question the legitimacy of the statement.
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Where did you get this information? Even if someone from Emotiva actually stated this I would still question the legitimacy of the statement.
A post on their forums -- a user was stating something about the XMC-1 vs. RMC-1 and its use of the new HDMI board "natively" and I believe an Emotiva employee said something like, "that's right on track" regarding why the RMC-1 shouldn't have the same issues. I'm not going to search the forum for it, and it wasn't an official statement. Like you, however, the post gave me pause, as I'm unsure how much said inter-operability would impact the board's behavior.

I would have thought the HDMI board is strictly responsible for all things HDMI (where the issues seemingly lie) and the only inter-op between it and the main unit are:

- Board -> Main -- pass audio to the main buses
- Main -> Board -- tell it what input to switch to
- Main -> Board -- populate the OSD
- Main -> Board -- push firmware

But, who knows...maybe the main unit is in much more control over the HDMI handshake and is just having issues getting it all correct. If so, maybe the main unit of the RMC-1 is better able to control these things having itself newer chips (though, as you, I'm dubious).
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Where did you get this information? Even if someone from Emotiva actually stated this I would still question the legitimacy of the statement.
How big of a concern should I have on getting a new jvc nx9 to work well with the upcoming rmc-1? It would be nice to be able to plug and play.

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I’m getting a new JVC Pro RS-2000 to go with my 8805 in early November and I have zero worries about compatability. I love everything Emotiva makes except their processors. I have friends, acquaintances and several people in the AV industry that have had nothing but issues from the Emotiva processors. The sound quality is never an issue. The video boards are notorious for having constant issues so be careful before you match a high end projector with any of their processors unless you go with a separate video processor like a Lumagen or something along those lines. Good luck!


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How big of a concern should I have on getting a new jvc nx9 to work well with the upcoming rmc-1? It would be nice to be able to plug and play.
I have some concerns as well because I have a JVC RS2000 on order so who knows what is going to happen as soon I plug the RS2000 into the XMC-1. I would be very surprised if it works right out of the box. Right now, for me, HDR is broken as it shows banding with all my sources, something that does not happens when the sources are connected directly to the TV or when using my Marantz SR6013 in the chain.

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Since projectors don't support Dolby Vision or HDR10+ (nor are they likely to). I doubt anyone will have problems with HDMI switching and JVC projectors. AFAIK Emotiva and D&M are both using Panasonic HDMI chipsets. D&M simply has more engineering resources.
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If you want to add Dirac Live to a D&M product, you might consider the miniDSP DDRC-88A. It provides 8 channels of Dirac Live for ~$1K. See https://www.avsforum.com/forum/90-re...-live-box.html

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If you want to add Dirac Live to a D&M product, you might consider the miniDSP DDRC-88A. It provides 8 channels of Dirac Live for ~$1K. See https://www.avsforum.com/forum/90-re...-live-box.html
Or run DiracLive in your HTPC and feed it to the D&M product (in my case, an AV-8805) via HDMI. Avoids the redundant A/D/A conversions and bandwidth limitations.
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Or run DiracLive in your HTPC and feed it to the D&M product (in my case, an AV-8805) via HDMI. Avoids the redundant A/D/A conversions and bandwidth limitations.
A limitation of the computer version is its maximum of 8 (7.1) channels, so it can't be used for 3D audio like Atmos. In contrast, you can use as many of the miniDSP DDRC-88A devices as you want, EQing overhead and Front Wide speaker channels in addition to multiple subwoofers.

It can be quite annoying to have to decide which tradeoffs and compromises are appropriate.

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A limitation of the computer version is its maximum of 8 (7.1) channels, so it can't be used for 3D audio like Atmos. In contrast, you can use as many of the miniDSP DDRC-88A devices as you want, EQing overhead and Front Wide speaker channels in addition to multiple subwoofers.

It can be quite annoying to have to decide which tradeoffs and compromises are appropriate.
Actually, it is easy for me: I use only 5.1 (or 5.2) channels. Also, I suspect that the HTPC versions will expand to support more channels with the new versions on the way.

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Also, I suspect that the HTPC versions will expand to support more channels with the new versions on the way.
This is going to be a difficult (and IMO unlikely) step for external decoding of immersive audio, including not just HTPC's but also BDP's or media players.

The immersive audio decoder needs to know your speaker layout to render the object audio properly. If it's going to be delivering multiple channels of decoded (and EQ'd) PCM to the processor, it has to know that you are running 9.1.2 or 7.1.4 or 7.1.6 or whatever.

For typical channel based audio no big deal, but for immersive audio it's a huge extra layer of complexity that I'm skeptical will happen vs. the simple solution of letting the processor decode the immersive bitstream.

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There is an Atmos solution, albeit a bit pricey one, which I implement. A wisdom Audio SC-3 accepts 16 balanced channels in and 32 out and incorporates Dirac Live processing on all channels. I have a 7.2.6 system and the 8805 as my AVR. I bypass the Audyssey in the AVR and calibrate using Dirac Live in the SC-3. Granted my 7 channel Sage speakers require the SC-3 but you can use non-wisdom amps and speakers.


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This is going to be a difficult (and IMO unlikely) step for external decoding of immersive audio, including not just HTPC's but also BDP's or media players.

The immersive audio decoder needs to know your speaker layout to render the object audio properly. If it's going to be delivering multiple channels of decoded (and EQ'd) PCM to the processor, it has to know that you are running 9.1.2 or 7.1.4 or 7.1.6 or whatever.

For typical channel based audio no big deal, but for immersive audio it's a huge extra layer of complexity that I'm skeptical will happen vs. the simple solution of letting the processor decode the immersive bitstream.
The HDMI v2.0 standard already supports up to 32 channels of audio, although I don't think that feature has been implemented by anybody. Presumably the receiver's EDID could be extended to include the speaker designations being used. Including the Atmos, DTS:X, Auro-3D or IMAX decoding algorithms in the player device would "only" be a matter of licensing. My understanding (which could be mistaken) is that the decoder algorithms actually are implemented by the various DSP companies, not by the receiver and pre/pro manufacturers. In principle, at least, that would imply that they are available to whoever has pockets deep enough to be willing to pay the licensing fees.

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Yeah, I don't disagree that it's possible.... just think that's unlikely to happen.

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Like I mentioned before, right now I'm running an Emotiva XMC-1 with Dirac Live + V3 HDMI board upgrade. The new HDMI board is having issues with HDR banding and at this point we don't know when these bugs are going to be fixed. I'm getting a JVC RS2000 in a few weeks so the least I want is having HDR banding with the new projector. So I have been thinking on getting a Marantz AV8805 to work in conjunction with the XMC-1. I would like to use the Marantz for video and the XMC-1 for audio as I do like Dirac Live better than Audyssey. So I'm trying to figure how to get the Marantz audio signal into the XMC-1 to get processed by Dirac. I was thinking using the pre outs on the Marantz and the Multichannel input on the XMC-1 but the multichannel input on the XMC-1 bypass all the internal processing, so that won't work. The Marantz only outputs 2 channel audio via HDMI out, so that won't work either. Any other way to get this working that I'm missing? Final option would be using the Marantz for movies and TV only, which is fine to me as I like Audyssey for movies, just not for music. Then get 7 x XLR "Y" splitters to share my amps with both pre-pros. I'm running a miniDSP 2x4 HD for the subwoofers and the subwoofers are time aligned in the miniDSP so that is not a problem as I can use Input 1 for the XMC-1 and Input 2 for the Marantz. I may go with the AV7705 instead of the AV8805 as the Marantz would be used only for movies. Any thoughts?

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I’m getting a new JVC Pro RS-2000 to go with my 8805 in early November and I have zero worries about compatability.
Ya, there should be no issues.........
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Has anyone upgraded from a 7.1.4 system to a 7.1.6 or 9.1.4 with the 8805?

I'm curious if the extra 2 channels make a difference? I currently have a 7.1.4 with a Sony AVR + 2 Channel Amp and considering upgrading to the 8805.

I'm also curious which provides the bigger impact, adding 2 wide speakers or adding 2 overhead speakers.
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Has anyone upgraded from a 7.1.4 system to a 7.1.6 or 9.1.4 with the 8805?

I'm curious if the extra 2 channels make a difference? I currently have a 7.1.4 with a Sony AVR + 2 Channel Amp and considering upgrading to the 8805.

I'm also curious which provides the bigger impact, adding 2 wide speakers or adding 2 overhead speakers.
I went from a 7.1.4 system to a 7.2.6 since purchasing the 8805. I am very happy with the added benefit and think its well worth the upgrade. As to the wides, I have not tried that route, however, I have been told they require a much more precise positioning in the room to really achieve the benefit and thus become very room size/shape dependent. Much more so than adding heights.

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I would go with the overhead speakers. I am running rear heights and middle heights and will add front heights soon. The benefit of the rear and middle height channels makes a big difference going from an 8801 to the 8805.


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Like I mentioned before, right now I'm running an Emotiva XMC-1 with Dirac Live + V3 HDMI board upgrade. The new HDMI board is having issues with HDR banding and at this point we don't know when these bugs are going to be fixed. I'm getting a JVC RS2000 in a few weeks so the least I want is having HDR banding with the new projector. So I have been thinking on getting a Marantz AV8805 to work in conjunction with the XMC-1. I would like to use the Marantz for video and the XMC-1 for audio as I do like Dirac Live better than Audyssey. So I'm trying to figure how to get the Marantz audio signal into the XMC-1 to get processed by Dirac. I was thinking using the pre outs on the Marantz and the Multichannel input on the XMC-1 but the multichannel input on the XMC-1 bypass all the internal processing, so that won't work. The Marantz only outputs 2 channel audio via HDMI out, so that won't work either. Any other way to get this working that I'm missing? Final option would be using the Marantz for movies and TV only, which is fine to me as I like Audyssey for movies, just not for music. Then get 7 x XLR "Y" splitters to share my amps with both pre-pros. I'm running a miniDSP 2x4 HD for the subwoofers and the subwoofers are time aligned in the miniDSP so that is not a problem as I can use Input 1 for the XMC-1 and Input 2 for the Marantz. I may go with the AV7705 instead of the AV8805 as the Marantz would be used only for movies. Any thoughts?

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I know miniDSP DDRC-88A is another option but I already have the XMC-1 so if I can make it work with the XMC-1, then I would prefer that way. Of course, if the HDR banding get fixed on the XMC-1 in the next 4 weeks, then I won't get the Marantz. Just checking with you guys if my proposal is doable.

Unless you really like the screw around with equipment, and be aggravated that Emotiva hasn't fixed the problem, just get a Marantz AV7705 (from an authorized dealer on this forum at a good price) and put the Emotiva stuff in the closet until the problem is fixed. When and if the problem is fixed then put the Emotiva back in service. Sell the AV7705 or keep the unit in reserve as a backup for the Emotiva unit.

Enjoy your new projector; skip the hassles.
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Has anyone upgraded from a 7.1.4 system to a 7.1.6 or 9.1.4 with the 8805?



I'm curious if the extra 2 channels make a difference? I currently have a 7.1.4 with a Sony AVR + 2 Channel Amp and considering upgrading to the 8805.



I'm also curious which provides the bigger impact, adding 2 wide speakers or adding 2 overhead speakers.

I upgraded from a Datasat LS10 7.4.4 system to a 7.4.6 system using the Marantz. I added a middle row of Atmos ceiling speakers which I like a lot since the middle row is directly over my front row of seats. I can hear the Atmos effects better in my room with this additional row of Atmos and I believe they are used a LOT more than wides due to the fact that only a few movies are coded to use wides at the moment.


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Unless you really like the screw around with equipment, and be aggravated that Emotiva hasn't fixed the problem, just get a Marantz AV7705 (from an authorized dealer on this forum at a good price) and put the Emotiva stuff in the closet until the problem is fixed. When and if the problem is fixed then put the Emotiva back in service. Sell the AV7705 or keep the unit in reserve as a backup for the Emotiva unit.

Enjoy your new projector; skip the hassles.
Has anybody compared the AV8805 with the AV7705? My system is only 7.2 and have no intentions on doing ATMOS as I'm not allowed to put ceiling speakers due to fire code. So I think the AV8805 would be overkill in my system, unless sound quality is really improved in the AV8805 compared to the AV7705 and worthy of the $2300 price difference.

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Has anybody compared the AV8805 with the AV7705? My system is only 7.2 and have no intentions on doing ATMOS as I'm not allowed to put ceiling speakers due to fire code.
If your ceiling is flat, then upfiring reflective "Dolby Atnos Enabled" speakers are reasonable alternatives to in- or on- ceiling speakers. That type of speaker is supported by both the AV7705 and AV8805.
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So I think the AV8805 would be overkill in my system, unless sound quality is really improved in the AV8805 compared to the AV7705 and worthy of the $2300 price difference.
If you have no desire for the additional speaker positions (Front Wide and/or 6 overhead), then the improvements will be subtle. The AV8805 has lower noise and distortion values, but whether or not you'll be able to hear the difference depends on your hearing, your speakers and your room's acoustics.

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I upgraded from a Datasat LS10 7.4.4 system to a 7.4.6 system using the Marantz. I added a middle row of Atmos ceiling speakers which I like a lot since the middle row is directly over my front row of seats. I can hear the Atmos effects better in my room with this additional row of Atmos and I believe they are used a LOT more than wides due to the fact that only a few movies are coded to use wides at the moment.


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Can you please tell me why you decided to go with the Marantz 8805 over the Datasat LS10 ?
I’m searching online on what preamp to get and even though the Datasat LS10 is way over my budget I thought it was way better preamp than the Marantz 8005.

I can also add on the many troubles that I’ve had with my Emotiva XMC-1 and the new 4k HDR board. When I tried to watch a Dolby Vision movie from my Oppo 203 I couldn’t get the setting of HDR to come out on my LG 65C7 OLED tv. The picture looked dim and the colores weren’t popping. So I had to go back and change everything how I had it and let the Oppo 203 send the video to the LG and the audio to the XMC-1. I love it’s Dirac calibration but the many bugs it has on the video side. Has changed my mine on getting the upcoming Emotiva RMC-1. I just want something that works.

I’m thinking on getting either the Marantz 8805 which (I supposed since it is a upgrade of the 8802) has wonderful representation of 2 channel music. And now with the ability to do Manual target curve has me liking it more. Does it really work ? Sorry I just finished reading 30 pages of Emotiva XMC-1 hdmi board and another forum of the Arcam 860 I’m really tired of reading I will read this forum on the next couple of days. Or getting the Arcam 860 that has Dírac and from what I’ve read they fixed the problem with the way Dirac was using its bass management.
I’m looking for a preamp that does wonderful in both movies and 2 channel music reproduction. My budget is $4000-$8000

As I don’t live in the United States I have to buy everything there and ship it to my country. So the ability for me to tryout any preamp is out of the picture. What I buy is what I’m sticking to. That is why i had to stay for all these years with the Emotiva XMC-1 as it was a hassle to return it .


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I don't remember if you already tried a soft reset, that is, unplugging it for at least 10 minutes. If you haven't, might be worth trying.
I tried it several times.

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Make sure just Audyssey and dynamic eq is on.Everything else is off in stereo pcm.
Those are the only two things that are on.

I spent about two hours on the phone with Marantz tech support. We went through every setting and the very nice gentleman agreed that all of my settings were correct. He was very puzzled why the sub output drops so much when I select Multi Channel Stereo. He had me make a backup of my settings, do a factory reset, then restore my settings. That helped a little. I can now get at least some bass out of the sub if I raise the sub output from -25dB to -10dB. If I switch back to any other mode, I have to lower it back to -25dB. I find that unacceptable. Something is wrong with that mode.

So I am the only person who experiences this massive drop in sub output when switching from any listening mode to Multi Channel Stereo?
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Those are the only two things that are on.

I spent about two hours on the phone with Marantz tech support. We went through every setting and the very nice gentleman agreed that all of my settings were correct. He was very puzzled why the sub output drops so much when I select Multi Channel Stereo. He had me make a backup of my settings, do a factory reset, then restore my settings. That helped a little. I can now get at least some bass out of the sub if I raise the sub output from -25dB to -10dB. If I switch back to any other mode, I have to lower it back to -25dB. I find that unacceptable. Something is wrong with that mode.

So I am the only person who experiences this massive drop in sub output when switching from any listening mode to Multi Channel Stereo?

I don't know if it is related and I have been meaning to ask here.

I am coming from an SR6006. I have noticed that after calibration, the trim levels that are in the in the 8805 by physically going through the menus, are different than the levels in the remote app. I also have a different remote app that I have been using for years with the 6006, and it is the same. The levels in the app are all set at 0, whereas in the menus for the unit, they are all lower. I don't understand why this is. So for example, going through the menus, my sub 1 was at -12, sub 2 was -11.5. However, in both of the apps, all trims including sub 1 and 2 are at 0. It is like I have two trim controls? The SR6006 did not behave in this way.
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Has anybody compared the AV8805 with the AV7705? My system is only 7.2 and have no intentions on doing ATMOS as I'm not allowed to put ceiling speakers due to fire code. So I think the AV8805 would be overkill in my system, unless sound quality is really improved in the AV8805 compared to the AV7705 and worthy of the $2300 price difference.
I have both the 8805 and the 7704( should sound very close to the 7705). IMHO many people would be hard pressed to hear a difference. Again, depends how critical your hearing is and the quality of your speakers. I think the 7704 was an incredible value. Still the 8805 has some small but noticeable improvement in depth. Unfortunately for my pocketbook I usually buy the best that I can afford!
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Upgraded from 7702mkII (3 year old prepro) to 8805, and I noticed the identical volume issue. I noticed that for good listening volume I have to set the main volume to at least the half way point which is 50. This applies to two channel and movie 7.1.2 viewing. Audyssey is set ON with Dynamic EQ ON and Dynamic volume OFF.
I also noticed that speaker calibration sets all trims on average -4 with center -7 and sub -5.5. I ran twice with minor different trims levels.

Do most owners normally see master volume setting on average at the half way point?
What brought this to my attention is when I turn off the system, my TV is much louder at only a quarter volume setting.

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