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HDMI 2.1 Spec Released

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SAN JOSE, California – November 28, 2017 - HDMI Forum, Inc. today announced the release of Version 2.1 of the HDMI® Specification which is now available to all HDMI 2.0 adopters. This latest HDMI Specification supports a range of higher video resolutions and refresh rates including 8K60 and 4K120, and resolutions up to 10K. Dynamic HDR formats are also supported, and bandwidth capability is increased up to 48Gbps.

Supporting the 48Gbps bandwidth is the new Ultra High Speed HDMI Cable. The cable ensures high-bandwidth dependent features are delivered including uncompressed 8K video with HDR. It features exceptionally low EMI (electro-magnetic interference) which reduces interference with nearby wireless devices. The cable is backwards compatible and can be used with the existing installed base of HDMI devices.

Version 2.1 of the HDMI Specification is backward compatible with earlier versions of the specification, and was developed by the HDMI Forum’s Technical Working Group whose members represent some of the world’s leading manufacturers of consumer electronics, personal computers, mobile devices, cables and components.

“The HDMI Forum’s mission is to develop specifications meeting market needs, growing demands for higher performance, and to enable future product opportunities,” said Robert Blanchard of Sony Electronics, president of the HDMI Forum.

HDMI Specification 2.1 Features Include:

· Higher video resolutions support a range of high resolutions and faster refresh rates including 8K60Hz and 4K120Hz for immersive viewing and smooth fast-action detail. Resolutions up to 10K are also supported for commercial AV, and industrial and specialty usages.

· Dynamic HDR support ensures every moment of a video is displayed at its ideal values for depth, detail, brightness, contrast and wider color gamuts—on a scene-by-scene or even a frame-by-frame basis.

· The Ultra High Speed HDMI Cable supports the 48G bandwidth for uncompressed HDMI 2.1 feature support. The cable also features very low EMI emission and is backwards compatible with earlier versions of the HDMI Specification and can be used with existing HDMI devices.

· eARC simplifies connectivity, provides greater ease of use, and supports the most advanced audio formats and highest audio quality. It ensures full compatibility between audio devices and upcoming HDMI 2.1 products.

· Enhanced refresh rate features ensure an added level of smooth and seamless
motion and transitions for gaming, movies and video. They include:

o Variable Refresh Rate (VRR) reduces or eliminates lag, stutter and frame tearing for more fluid and better detailed gameplay.

o Quick Media Switching (QMS) for movies and video eliminates the delay that can result in blank screens before content is displayed.

o Quick Frame Transport (QFT) reduces latency for smoother no-lag gaming, and real-time interactive virtual reality.

· Auto Low Latency Mode (ALLM) allows the ideal latency setting to automatically be set allowing for smooth, lag-free and uninterrupted viewing and interactivity.

The HDMI 2.1 Compliance Test Specification (CTS) will be published in stages during Q1-Q3 2018, and HDMI adopters will be notified when it is available.
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48 Gbps is nice, but I don't think my internet connection will ever be fast enough to take advantage of it. Maybe non-streaming sources might work OK.
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This all great but what does it mean to us as consumers and enthusiast? Is HDMI 2.1a and HDMI 2.1b already being being worked on? how far will the current HDMI 2.0a cords get us? Are we really going to see advantages or it really just for commercial benefit? 8K sounds interesting but what does that mean to the average enthusiast in a 15 x 22x10 room? Just so thoughts and what this all means since it is so new.

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"The HDMI 2.1 Compliance Test Specification (CTS) will be published in stages during Q1-Q3 2018, and HDMI adopters will be notified when it is available."

So hold up. Does this mean we wont see any HDMI 2.1 compliant TV's next year if the test specifications wont be fully released until Q3 of 2018?

Straight from the HDMI.org FAQ website


Q: What is the testing policy for HDMI 2.1 products?
A: All products must comply with Version 2.1 of the HDMI Specification and the HDMI 2.1 Compliance Test Specification (CTS); and until the CTS is available and a product has passed compliance testing a product cannot claim to be 2.1 compliant or market that it supports 2.1 features.



ok wow no offical HDMI 2.1 products for most of 2018 then.......
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This all great but what does it mean to us as consumers and enthusiast? Is HDMI 2.1a and HDMI 2.1b already being being worked on? how far will the current HDMI 2.0a cords get us? Are we really going to see advantages or it really just for commercial benefit? 8K sounds interesting but what does that mean to the average enthusiast in a 15 x 22x10 room? Just so thoughts and what this all means since it is so new.

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In the short term, you won't notice any advantages. Long term, it's possible you may see an advantage. The current 18Gbps in 2.0 is more than enough to handle current needs.
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"The HDMI 2.1 Compliance Test Specification (CTS) will be published in stages during Q1-Q3 2018, and HDMI adopters will be notified when it is available."

So hold up. Does this mean we wont see any HDMI 2.1 compliant TV's next year if the test specifications wont be fully released until Q3 of 2018?

Straight from the HDMI.org FAQ website


Q: What is the testing policy for HDMI 2.1 products?
A: All products must comply with Version 2.1 of the HDMI Specification and the HDMI 2.1 Compliance Test Specification (CTS); and until the CTS is available and a product has passed compliance testing a product cannot claim to be 2.1 compliant or market that it supports 2.1 features.



ok wow no offical HDMI 2.1 products for most of 2018 then.......
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This all great but what does it mean to us as consumers and enthusiast? Is HDMI 2.1a and HDMI 2.1b already being being worked on? how far will the current HDMI 2.0a cords get us? Are we really going to see advantages or it really just for commercial benefit? 8K sounds interesting but what does that mean to the average enthusiast in a 15 x 22x10 room? Just so thoughts and what this all means since it is so new.

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HDMI 2.1a will be the standard until we've all bought new equipment that supports it, at which time HDMI 2.1b will be released.
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In the short term, you won't notice any advantages. Long term, it's possible you may see an advantage. The current 18Gbps in 2.0 is more than enough to handle current needs.
In the long term, we're all dead. In the short term - - it won't have any impact on people that have recently purchased TV's & AVR's. And the capability of HDMI 2.1 compared to our existing standards (cable/satellite/even streaming) means that instead of being stuck with a 140 mph race car in a 60 mph zone, we'll be a 200 mph race care still in a 60 mph zone.

Now - if I was looking at ALL NEW equipment, then yes, it might be a consideration. Otherwise, it's just another footnote in the annals of Home Theater specs significantly exceeding usability today and probably for at least five years from now.
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I am just happy with eARC...I like having my devices plugged into my tv then just 1 HDMI to my AVR for sound.Being able to get Dolby true HD and DTS-HD will be great...not just lossy the way Arc is now even with HDMI.This won't be a massive difference but still an improvement.

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Still can't watch football on Sunday beyond 720p or 1080i, and now we're talking about 8K?

I guess if television is already two generations behind, might as well be three behind, eh?


And with primetime network television dropping from 8-20 percent since last year, where's the demand coming from to address this from them?
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Will this bring a new version of HDCP (i.e. 2.3)?
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Will this bring a new version of HDCP (i.e. 2.3)?
I hope not...I have issues with 2.2 on my Roku ultra among other devices...not sure why but it is irritating.

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i love how they use the same like 50x100 resolution image to show the 'low quality' resolution, whether it's SD, 720p, 1080p, or now 4k. i mean, at this point, telling me it's 4x the pixels is more useful, and more accurate than these 'examples' of zoomed in images.

PS, 8k on displays without uniform backlighting, accurate colors, good motion, or on displays with burn in issues isn't an improvement worth doing imo. at this point it's like putting a bigger motor in your car without wheels, who cares?



on topic, i guess i'm glad there's a spec. but i'll reserve judgement for when i see what they choose to do with it. it'd be nice if we had a 'universal' connector that was relevant for at least 5yrs again. too many small updates in the past 5yrs has made me avoid updating anything.

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Yes, 8K is and will stay totally useless for anything under 100" in my opinion.

And bummer for the 2018 TV's... I was waiting to see the new LG OLEDs at CES 2018 and see if the C8/E8 would support VRR for my One X, I guess I'll just take the plunge with an E7 then, already been waiting 6 months I won't wait 18 more.

And this tiger picture... no words I guess you see the differences if you stand 40cm from your 120" inch OLED, with a movie shot in 8K, mastered in 8K, on a 8K hard support that doesn't exist yet, with a HDMI 2.1 BR player on your 2.1 TV with your 48GBPs HDMI cable...
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"With HDMI two point now beneficial"

With HDMI 2.1 now official?

I'm not sure what this was supposed to say but maybe what I suggested?

There's a saying about "everything in moderation". If only it was applied to well, you know...
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With HDMI 2.1 now official?

I'm not sure what this was supposed to say but maybe what I suggested?
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Yes, 8K is and will stay totally useless for anything under 100" in my opinion.
At 32 pixels per inch , 2160 lines is 67.5 inches. So that's a 137" screen measured diagonally.

Can we even discern 1024 pixels per square inch at a typical viewing distance?
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1st article integrated circuits for HDMI 2.1 won't be available till March, 2018...
Considering hardware development time, software code writing and debugging, production AVRs with HDMI 2.1 will be available early 2019....

Just my $0.02..
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At 32 pixels per inch , 2160 lines is 67.5 inches. So that's a 137" screen measured diagonally.

Can we even discern 1024 pixels per square inch at a typical viewing distance?
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Gamers will love support for Variable Refresh Rate (VRR) that reduces or limits lag, frame tearing, and stuttering.
so that the new name for freesync now?
at least AMD will support it for sure while nvidia ... they do nvidia stuff.
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With HDMI 2.1 now official, it will be interesting to see what sort of discussions pop up at CES 2017, which at this point is (basically) just weeks away.


I think you mean CES 2018 - 2017 has already been, and gone. Or was this announcement prior to CES 2017?

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excellent!

another opportunity for AVS members to become beta testers for a new HDMI spec that was created largely to fix earlier HDMI spec deficiencies

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HDMI 2.1a will be the standard until we've all bought new equipment that supports it, at which time HDMI 2.1b will be released.
That is exactly what i was thinking, we all go out buy new stuff to cater to the new specs and then everything changes again. It is my understanding that HDCp 2.2 is not changing with 2.1 but could that be the change for HDMi 2.1b and then all of our new stuff is out dated already. I have zero faith that early adopter are not going to get the shafted.
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