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So finally spent the day rewiring my system for 4K and 7.1 (initially) and hooked up my brand new 920. All is good except for a humming noise from the transformer inside the 920. It's clearly from the transformer inside the unit labeled "Onkyo High Power.." I originally hoped this was either going to fade or be inaudible from normal listening distances, but even after updating the firmware and watching a couple hours of TV on it, I can still hear the buzzing (when everything else is quiet that is).

I believe someone upthread said that they had a similar issue and had to have it replaced? I'm assuming this is not normal and I should be looking at an exchange?

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So finally spent the day rewiring my system for 4K and 7.1 (initially) and hooked up my brand new 920. All is good except for a humming noise from the transformer inside the 920. It's clearly from the transformer inside the unit labeled "Onkyo High Power.." I originally hoped this was either going to fade or be inaudible from normal listening distances, but even after updating the firmware and watching a couple hours of TV on it, I can still hear the buzzing (when everything else is quiet that is).

I believe someone upthread said that they had a similar issue and had to have it replaced? I'm assuming this is not normal and I should be looking at an exchange?

Thanks.
Correct...not normal...mine is absolutely quiet...definitely exchange.

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So finally spent the day rewiring my system for 4K and 7.1 (initially) and hooked up my brand new 920. All is good except for a humming noise from the transformer inside the 920. It's clearly from the transformer inside the unit labeled "Onkyo High Power.." I originally hoped this was either going to fade or be inaudible from normal listening distances, but even after updating the firmware and watching a couple hours of TV on it, I can still hear the buzzing (when everything else is quiet that is).

I believe someone upthread said that they had a similar issue and had to have it replaced? I'm assuming this is not normal and I should be looking at an exchange?

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Ya, that was me. Audible from 15 feet away. I can't remember what I said when I posted but I did measure the distance. I no longer have that receiver. It's a defect.

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Thanks; good to know it is not normal.

Time for fun with an exchange tomorrow...

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My audio would drop for about ten seconds and then come back. It occurred with any source, Direct Tv, blu ray, Roku, SACD. It happened at least once an evening. I also lost it a couple of times when changing channels as well. Video was there but no audio. I had to change channels to get it back. I just dropped it off at the repair facility.

I'm thinking it was just my John Wick Disc. I watched several movies over the weekend including John Wick 2 and didn't experience this again. Thank you for the reply.
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Thanks; good to know it is not normal.

Time for fun with an exchange tomorrow...
Well that's a bummer. So far the only issue that happened was when I was watching something trough my Media PC, the picture started tearing or smearing. I stopped and restarted it without any problem. So far I'm chalking that up to a quirk.
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Well that's a bummer. So far the only issue that happened was when I was watching something trough my Media PC, the picture started tearing or smearing. I stopped and restarted it without any problem. So far I'm chalking that up to a quirk.
I'm now at the point that I choked up almost all of the issues to my home theater PC. I have been spending extra time doing Xbox media and Fire TV media just so I can convince myself it is PC. And so far, all of my problems were related to PC as the source.

And don't get me started on Windows 10. Once I upgraded in January I started having all sorts of crappy trouble which I'm not going to go into now. I should have stuck with 8.1 Pro. I have an image so I might reinstall the older OS.

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After the updates are performed on the RZ1100 is there anything the RZ920 can do that the 1100 can't? HDMI ins/outs equal?

I feel the amplifier is a little better on the 1100 and am currently torn on which one to look into. Reading alot of reviews on both on here it seems the 920 has been well accepted other than a few hiccups. I also see that the 1100 has been chastised a little with it's SQ and lack of midrange and bass, but is remedied with the latest firmware update?

I'm starting to get intermittent HDMI issues with my TX-NR809 (already been fixed under warranty once) again and with the addition of a new 4K AppleTV and a new 4k 65" OLED I'd like to take full advantage of all the latest 4k hi res formats and color gamut. With that said if I spend $1k plus for an AVR I'd like it to at least support those formats.

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After the updates are performed on the RZ1100 is there anything the RZ920 can do that the 1100 can't? HDMI ins/outs equal?

I feel the amplifier is a little better on the 1100 and am currently torn on which one to look into. Reading alot of reviews on both on here it seems the 920 has been well accepted other than a few hiccups. I also see that the 1100 has been chastised a little with it's SQ and lack of midrange and bass, but is remedied with the latest firmware update?

I'm starting to get intermittent HDMI issues with my TX-NR809 (already been fixed under warranty once) again and with the addition of a new 4K AppleTV and a new 4k 65" OLED I'd like to take full advantage of all the latest 4k hi res formats and color gamut. With that said if I spend $1k plus for an AVR I'd like it to at least support those formats.
For the money, the 920 is a better value as well as being newer. While the bang for the buck is often an important factor, being newer isn't necessarily one as in recent years I've purchased year end close out deals too. I can say the midrange and bass are fantastic on the 920. After going from a TX-NR818 to a Denon X4300H and now back to Onkyo with the TX-RZ920, I can say I missed that signature Onkyo sound and am happy I switched back.
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I'm now at the point that I choked up almost all of the issues to my home theater PC. I have been spending extra time doing Xbox media and Fire TV media just so I can convince myself it is PC. And so far, all of my problems were related to PC as the source.

And don't get me started on Windows 10. Once I upgraded in January I started having all sorts of crappy trouble which I'm not going to go into now. I should have stuck with 8.1 Pro. I have an image so I might reinstall the older OS.

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Not related to the 920, but yeah sometimes Windows does funny things. I use Kodi and for me, sometimes it doesn't set the black levels right and washes out the picture where I either have to close out Kodi and relaunch or even sometimes reboot the entire PC. When a buddy of mine upgraded to a Sony 900E 4KTV and in turn had to upgrade from Yamaha 1020 to 1070, his Windows 10 Media PC sometimes doesn't keep the 4k desktop resolution and when he switches between Kodi and Windows 10 desktop, the sounds goes out which causes him to log off and log back on.
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For the money, the 920 is a better value as well as being newer. While the bang for the buck is often an important factor, being newer isn't necessarily one as in recent years I've purchased year end close out deals too. I can say the midrange and bass are fantastic on the 920. After going from a TX-NR818 to a Denon X4300H and now back to Onkyo with the TX-RZ920, I can say I missed that signature Onkyo sound and am happy I switched back.
I almost pulled the plug on the X4300H, it was less expensive and had more bells and whistles, even though I'd never use them. I'm so glad I didn't and stayed with Onkyo.
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After the updates are performed on the RZ1100 is there anything the RZ920 can do that the 1100 can't? HDMI ins/outs equal?

I feel the amplifier is a little better on the 1100 and am currently torn on which one to look into. Reading alot of reviews on both on here it seems the 920 has been well accepted other than a few hiccups. I also see that the 1100 has been chastised a little with it's SQ and lack of midrange and bass, but is remedied with the latest firmware update?

I'm starting to get intermittent HDMI issues with my TX-NR809 (already been fixed under warranty once) again and with the addition of a new 4K AppleTV and a new 4k 65" OLED I'd like to take full advantage of all the latest 4k hi res formats and color gamut. With that said if I spend $1k plus for an AVR I'd like it to at least support those formats.
A comparison on Onkyo's website will show, IMO, a few minor and insignificant differences. Overall, I have to agree with @ace0001a , the 920 is a better value and has slightly better bass performance than the 1100. The difference in MSRP will buy an Oppo 203.
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I almost pulled the plug on the X4300H, it was less expensive and had more bells and whistles, even though I'd never use them. I'm so glad I didn't and stayed with Onkyo.
I bought mine back in October of 2016 just before they started slashing prices to get rid of backstock, paid like $1299 best deal I could find at the time. A couple months later, people we're getting deals on them for around $799 or less. Don't get me wrong, I did enjoy having it as I feel it performed pretty good, sound was good (but of course doesn't sound as good as Onkyo to me), I like the display and overall construction of it. At the time, features per money compared to other brands I would've had the option for, the 4300 to me was the best choice. I'd say for those who got it for $799 or less, got an extremely good deal.

But again, as much as I enjoyed the 4300, it felt like something was missing sound signature-wise coming from the 2 previous Pioneer Elites and Onkyo that I owned. I was seriously contemplating waiting until the end of this year and get the Marantz SR7012 on clearance because of the "warm" sound signature that people describe and attribute the "HDAM" technology they use in the preamplifier section.
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Good info fella's. Thinking the 920 is the direction to go. Either way it should be a bit of an upgrade from my lower line 809. Like others I'm worried about the amp section being as strong and transient as my older 809. Obviously these older units had a bit beefier construction and transformer.

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Good info fella's. Thinking the 920 is the direction to go. Either way it should be a bit of an upgrade from my lower line 809. Like others I'm worried about the amp section being as strong and transient as my older 809. Obviously these older units had a bit beefier construction and transformer.
I owned both the 805 and 809. My original choice was the 1100 or 3100 but found the 920 was on par performance wise and offers better value by far. All three of these RZ's have Class D amps and do not quite have the same sound signature as the classic Onkyo's with A/B amps. But IMO, the RZ's are far closer to the classic Onkyo's SQ than the comparable D+M models. I still consider the 809 a very competent AVR...just no longer current relative to codecs and features. You won't be disappointed with the 920.
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Good info fella's. Thinking the 920 is the direction to go. Either way it should be a bit of an upgrade from my lower line 809. Like others I'm worried about the amp section being as strong and transient as my older 809. Obviously these older units had a bit beefier construction and transformer.
In my humble opinion, I honestly wouldn't read much into that. In my perception of Class D amplification, it was ready for prime time mainstream AVRs when Pioneer put it in their Elite SC-05 and SC-07 AVRs back in 2008. I owned an SC-07 which was their 2nd to flagship at the time if I remember correctly. To me, the SC-07 with Class D ICEPower amps sounded every bit as good as previous Class A/B Pioneer Elite AVRs I owned before it. Pioneer's Class D lineage led them to develop what we now know as "D3 Amplification". As we know, Onkyo bought Pioneer and more or less absorbed/incorporated their tech into their own AVRs--No doubt the Class D amplification in current Onkyos come from Pioneer.

As I mentioned, I owned an Onkyo TX-NR818 and can still very remember the way it sounded... I can definitely say the RZ920 to me sounds every bit as good if not better than the 818. As for beefier construction, the 818 weighs 40.3 lbs and the 920 weighs 41.9 lbs, so to me still beefy. In contrast, my Denon X4300H weighs 27.8 lbs...
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In my humble opinion, I honestly wouldn't read much into that. In my perception of Class D amplification, it was ready for prime time mainstream AVRs when Pioneer put it in their Elite SC-05 and SC-07 AVRs back in 2008. I owned an SC-07 which was their 2nd to flagship at the time if I remember correctly. To me, the SC-07 with Class D ICEPower amps sounded every bit as good as previous Class A/B Pioneer Elite AVRs I owned before it. Pioneer's Class D lineage led them to develop what we now know as "D3 Amplification". As we know, Onkyo bought Pioneer and more or less absorbed/incorporated their tech into their own AVRs--No doubt the Class D amplification in current Onkyos come from Pioneer.

As I mentioned, I owned an Onkyo TX-NR818 and can still very remember the way it sounded... I can definitely say the RZ920 to me sounds every bit as good if not better than the 818. As for beefier construction, the 818 weighs 40.3 lbs and the 920 weighs 41.9 lbs, so to me still beefy. In contrast, my Denon X4300H weighs 27.8 lbs...
Thanks for sharing your experience with RZ920.

Just one small correction, RZ920 weighs 41.9 including box, actual receiver net weight is only 35.9 lbs vs TX-NR818 is actual unit weight of 40.3

Also one other thing I have been seeing in newer Onkyo Line is, reduce S/N ratio. TX-NR818 has S/N: 110 dB (LINE, IHF-A).
This RZ920 seems better than other new line up, but still at S/N: 107.
I wish someone can do A-B comparison with TX-NR818 vs RZ920. Also missing in Onkyo line up is Audyssey XT32.

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Just one small correction, RZ920 weighs 41.9 including box, actual receiver net weight is only 35.9 lbs vs TX-NR818 is actual unit weight of 40.3
The difference in weight is likely due in part to the difference in power supply...different transformer requirement for the newer Class D amps vs the classic A/B amps.

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Also one other thing I have been seeing in newer Onkyo Line is, reduce S/N ratio. TX-NR818 has S/N: 110 dB (LINE, IHF-A).
This RZ920 seems better than other new line up, but still at S/N: 107.
With a 16 bit 96 dB s/n ratio for a CD as a standard, is a 3 dB difference between 107 and 110 dB critical?

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I wish someone can do A-B comparison with TX-NR818 vs RZ920.
What specific areas are you interested in? Order a 920 from ie.Crutchfield and you could do one yourself with your source material in your own home...would be more beneficial than someone else's review.

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Also missing in Onkyo line up is Audyssey XT32.
Many would not consider it a real loss. I've used all of the Audyssey variants...including XT32...and don't miss it in the least. Room correction systems in general are nice marketing tools. And consumers get used to having them around like automobile accessories that one can't do without after having them awhile. Their usefulness is dependent on a particular room acoustics, choice of set up parameters, and personal preference of what frequencies should or should not be influenced/modified. There are many opinions...i.e.

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The difference in weight is likely due in part to the difference in power supply...different transformer requirement for the newer Class D amps vs the classic A/B amps.
Possible, but I always have this suspicion. Ex: when I see Denon X4300H, power rating is much lower(AC Amperage). Irrespective of Class D or Class A/B, if you want to pump concurrently 100W/channel, you are talking about at minimum 1KW, at around 120v 10AMP input. You can't create power out of nothing.

Weight reduction, one more possibility is because of moving to SMPS power supplies. Recently I had to replace Definitive BP9060 tower Subwoofer Amp for a friend, and I found SMPS in that instead of regular power supply. I am not sure what kind of impact switching would have on the overall signal clarify. (probably not much for sub though as SMPS switching is at very high frequency).


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With a 16 bit 96 dB s/n ratio for a CD as a standard, is a 3 dB difference between 107 and 110 dB critical?
Probably not very tangible, but the main point is , if S/N is dropping some compromise is made somewhere and will have overall impacts.



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What specific areas are you interested in? Order a 920 from ie.Crutchfield and you could do one yourself with your source material in your own home...would be more beneficial than someone else's review.
Did that when I bought my TX-NR818, had 4 receivers at once for comparison 2 Onkyos, Denon, and a Pioneer. Finally settle on 818 at that time. Think of connecting so many connections and calibration, and going back and forth so many times. It was royal pain. I don't think I have that same patience and time now. Hence asking other experts who came of 818 to get their POV.



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Many would not consider it a real loss. I've used all of the Audyssey variants...including XT32...and don't miss it in the least. Room correction systems in general are nice marketing tools. And consumers get used to having them around like automobile accessories that one can't do without after having them awhile. Their usefulness is dependent on a particular room acoustics, choice of set up parameters, and personal preference of what frequencies should or should not be influenced/modified. There are many opinions...i.e.
I only used Onkyo AccuEQ in installation for my friend(RZ810). As initial reports said, it is very basic and does not do any dynamic EQ. Do you think new AccEQ is better and has Dyamic EQ?
Despite I have decent theater room with some basic treatment, it is not perfect and I see improvements after calibrating with Audyssey. Ofcourse I do some Cross overs adjustments after Calibration. End result is pretty good.

I have helped couple of friends with Denon X4300H setup with similar rooms, and one has similar speakers (not same), despite several attempts I miss the punch of my Onkyo setup.

In the case of RZ810 which I setup for a friend, I see some punch, and I never got the same balance as my system. He has very similar speaker setup as mine(Except Sub). I am not sure how much different RZ920 is from RZ810 though.

ace0001a did provide some really good insight and his experience on PM with 818 and 920. Thanks ace. This gives me some confidence..

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Probably not very tangible, but the main point is , if S/N is dropping some compromise is made somewhere and will have overall impacts.
Many consumers look at, are influenced by, and make decisions based on numbers and specs w/o regard to actual performance and listening. Specs like S/N, once beyond content audibility, are the area of marketeers. IMO, compromises made beyond these limits have very little impact in actual use.

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Did that when I bought my TX-NR818, had 4 receivers at once for comparison 2 Onkyos, Denon, and a Pioneer. Finally settle on 818 at that time. Think of connecting so many connections and calibration, and going back and forth so many times. It was royal pain. I don't think I have that same patience and time now. Hence asking other experts who came of 818 to get their POV.
That's understandable. However most enthusiasts, myself included, still enjoy going through the process...it's a natural part of the hobby. And it removes any doubts, what if's, and reliance on the opinion of others...which may or may not mirror our own. But like yourself, I no longer compare multiple items but I will distill down to two for auditioning in my home...particularly when I'm investing in excess of $1000. Again...YMMV.

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I only used Onkyo AccuEQ in installation for my friend(RZ810). As initial reports said, it is very basic and does not do any dynamic EQ. Do you think new AccEQ is better and has Dyamic EQ?
Despite I have decent theater room with some basic treatment, it is not perfect and I see improvements after calibrating with Audyssey. Ofcourse I do some Cross overs adjustments after Calibration. End result is pretty good.
AccuEQ does have a functional equivalent to Audyssey's DEQ...it's called THX Loudness Plus...however, only in the THX certified pieces...920, 1100, and 3100.

Room correction is another of those marketing tools that help sell product. It's primarily dependent on a room's acoustic properties and one's subjective impression of what sounds good or not so good. I've used YPAO, MCACC, AccuEQ, and all iterations of Audyssey. Each has its strengths and weaknesses and I would not endorse one over the other. As I've mentioned, it depends on the room and what one likes or dislikes. Because my HT measures relatively flat, I choose not to use any RC at all.

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I have helped couple of friends with Denon X4300H setup with similar rooms, and one has similar speakers (not same), despite several attempts I miss the punch of my Onkyo setup.
I've also installed many Denon's for family and friends...most recently the X4200H, X4300H, and X6300H. And you are absolutely correct, with the exception of Denon's flagship(s) the 7200/8500, none of the Denon models produce the clarity, crispness, and the dynamic "punch" that's characteristic of Onkyo's. This is the primary reason I keep returning to Onkyo AVRs.

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In the case of RZ810 which I setup for a friend, I see some punch, and I never got the same balance as my system. He has very similar speaker setup as mine(Except Sub). I am not sure how much different RZ920 is from RZ810 though.
Although I do not know the exact architecture, I believe the 610/620, 710/720, and 810/820 have common DNA whereas the 920 shares DNA with the 1100 and 3100. And based on my and @bslep experience, the 920 is a bit more "punchy" (particularly in the bass region) than the 1100...but can't explain why.

The "balance" you're referring to is likely due to the combination of the RC and the acoustical properties of you friend's room. Other things you may want to try is manually experiment with AccuEQ settings, repositioning speakers, as well as installing acoustic treatments.

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Many consumers look at, are influenced by, and make decisions based on numbers and specs w/o regard to actual performance and listening. Specs like S/N, once beyond content audibility, are the area of marketeers. IMO, compromises made beyond these limits have very little impact in actual use.
Gene good to always see your input in this thread! Yeah I agree specs is one thing and for me it only helps me see part of the picture. Ultimately I still feel strongly for real world performance, getting something and connecting it to my system and experiencing for myself how it works in my environment.


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That's understandable. However most enthusiasts, myself included, still enjoy going through the process...it's a natural part of the hobby. And it removes any doubts, what if's, and reliance on the opinion of others...which may or may not mirror our own. But like yourself, I no longer compare multiple items but I will distill down to two for auditioning in my home...particularly when I'm investing in excess of $1000. Again...YMMV.
I feel the same way except when I'm feeling extremely lazy. I'm glad I don't have as many components to connect and disconnect as I used to have. I used to uprgade my PC often, tearing it down and upgrading new parts in it. Lately I've been feeling very lazy to do that, lol.

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AccuEQ does have a functional equivalent to Audyssey's DEQ...it's called THX Loudness Plus...however, only in the THX certified pieces...920, 1100, and 3100.

Room correction is another of those marketing tools that help sell product. It's primarily dependent on a room's acoustic properties and one's subjective impression of what sounds good or not so good. I've used YPAO, MCACC, AccuEQ, and all iterations of Audyssey. Each has its strengths and weaknesses and I would not endorse one over the other. As I've mentioned, it depends on the room and what one likes or dislikes. Because my HT measures relatively flat, I choose not to use any RC at all.
This I can agree with too. I've tried them all too with exception to Anthem's ARC and DIRAC that Emotiva uses. In my living room, they all have more or less performed the same. I did have Dynamic EQ enabled on my Denon X4300H, which to my ears improved the impactfullness of the sound for movies. On the Onkyo TX-RZ920, I didn't enable the THX Loudness Plus and to me it still sounds more punchy and impactful than the Denon X4300H.

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I've also installed many Denon's for family and friends...most recently the X4200H, X4300H, and X6300H. And you are absolutely correct, with the exception of Denon's flagship(s) the 7200/8500, none of the Denon models produce the clarity, crispness, and the dynamic "punch" that's characteristic of Onkyo's. This is the primary reason I keep returning to Onkyo AVRs.
Last top 2 tier Denon model I owned was the AVR-4800 from 2000, think it was the 2nd from top of the line and it definitly had good clarity, crispness and dynamic punch. From my memory, I replaced it with an AVR-36something (can't remember), then I owned like 3 Yamahas before I landed on a Denon AVR-3808CI...and yeah I felt every model after the AVR-4800 just was missing something soundwise. When I got the X4300H, more or less felt the same way, though as I said the Dynamic EQ did improve the impactfulness of the sound.
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Gene good to always see your input in this thread! Yeah I agree specs is one thing and for me it only helps me see part of the picture. Ultimately I still feel strongly for real world performance, getting something and connecting it to my system and experiencing for myself how it works in my environment.
I recall two quotes: (1) Jeff Parmanian of JTR Speakers - "Numbers cannot tell you how a speaker sounds" and (2) MLB ballplayer: "I know a 90 mph fastball is coming but don't know where in the strike zone or how much movement it will have.." Yep...specs gets us in the ballpark...but until we are standing in the batter's box...

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I feel the same way except when I'm feeling extremely lazy. I'm glad I don't have as many components to connect and disconnect as I used to have. I used to upagade my PC often, tearing it down and upgrading new parts in it. Lately I've been feeling very lazy to do that, lol.
My background is in I.T. and like yourself, I used to do the PC thing too. However, HT is my hobby and WRT to AVRs where I can spend $1K-$3K, I usually audition my last couple of choices. For me, testing is hassle free and easily done. All my speaker wiring have banana plugs and I normally connect only the display and a BD player. It takes less than 5 minutes to swap AVRs back and forth if necessary. And for testing purposes, I only run RC to gather the basic information and then turn RC off.

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This I can agree with too. I've tried them all too with exception to Anthem's ARC and DIRAC that Emotiva uses. In my living room, they all have more or less performed the same. I did have Dynamic EQ enabled on my Denon X4300H, which to my ears improved the impactfullness of the sound for movies. On the Onkyo TX-RZ920, I didn't enable the THX Loudness Plus and to me it still sounds more punchy and impactful than the Denon X4300H.
With Audyssey, I prefer DEQ off and adjust bass to my liking with AVR trim and/or sub gain...just my preference. On the 920, I also do not use THX Loudness Plus...the 920 does a credible job with bass with it off. I don't have experience with ARC or DIRAC either but here are a couple of perspectives from AVS member Molon_Labe...

https://www.avsforum.com/forum/90-rec...l#post55341636

https://www.avsforum.com/forum/90-rec...l#post55008768

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Last top 2 tier Denon model I owned was the AVR-4800 from 2000, think it was the 2nd from top of the line and it definitly had good clarity, crispness and dynamic punch. From my memory, I replaced it with an AVR-36something (can't remember), then I owned like 3 Yamahas before I landed on a Denon AVR-3808CI...and yeah I felt every model after the AVR-4800 just was missing something soundwise. When I got the X4300H, more or less felt the same way, though as I said the Dynamic EQ did improve the impactfulness of the sound.
Agreed...IMO, the older Denon units were much more dynamic than their current (except the 7200/8500) models.

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I found my 920 had a firmware update this morning, 1030-5010-2030-0008. The only difference I see in the menu is there is now a Dolby Vision setting under HDMI output and it's greyed out unless you select both main + sub for your HDMI output, then Dolby Vision gives you a, main only option. Does anyone know what else may have been changed or any features added, removed?

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That is a slight modification of what is described on page 7 of the basic manual regarding Dolby Vision.

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I found my 920 had a firmware update this morning, 1030-5010-2030-0008. The only difference I see in the menu is there is now a Dolby Vision setting under HDMI output and it's greyed out unless you select both main + sub for your HDMI output, then Dolby Vision gives you a, main only option. Does anyone know what else may have been changed or any features added, removed?

Standing wave. What is it for and do I need to mess with it?

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Latest Firmware Number (16 digits):1030-5010-2030-0008
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Improve the noise during playback via USB/Network
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Adds support of external audio inputs* for "FlareConnect".
*For detail about external audio inputs, please refer to the link below.
http://www.onkyo.com/flareconnect/
Minor bug fixes and improvements stability.
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Adds support for new multi-room audio playback function "FlareConnect".
*All audio devices in group and "Onkyo Controller" App is required to update to the latest version.
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I’m ready to purchase a new receiver to replace my trusty 806. I am looking at the 820 - any major differences between the 820 & the 920 that would justify the extra $$$ besides the extra channels?
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I’m ready to purchase a new receiver to replace my trusty 806. I am looking at the 820 - any major differences between the 820 & the 920 that would justify the extra $$$ besides the extra channels?
Besides the extra channels? There are only a few. But the extra channels and processing is why the 920 is so much more.

920 has digital amplifiers. I don't know how much extra the amplifiers would normally cost. I sampled mine for a little bit, even though I have a dedicated amplifier. Digital amps we're very low noise and they sounded really good.

Other than that, there's really not much difference.

A couple of us got really good deals... 1K or less. I personally don't think the 920 is worth paying MSRP. I purchased mine because I wanted to go atmos. Otherwise, my Denon x3100 was perfectly fine.

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Besides the extra channels? There are only a few. But the extra channels and processing is why the 920 is so much more.

920 has digital amplifiers. I don't know how much extra the amplifiers would normally cost. I sampled mine for a little bit, even though I have a dedicated amplifier. Digital amps we're very low noise and they sounded really good.

Other than that, there's really not much difference.

A couple of us got really good deals... 1K or less. I personally don't think the 920 is worth paying MSRP. I purchased mine because I wanted to go atmos. Otherwise, my Denon x3100 was perfectly fine.

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Does Accu EQ calibrate subs independently on the 820 and/or 920? I have 2 SVS pb13 ultra’s in my system.
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Besides the extra channels? There are only a few. But the extra channels and processing is why the 920 is so much more.

920 has digital amplifiers. I don't know how much extra the amplifiers would normally cost. I sampled mine for a little bit, even though I have a dedicated amplifier. Digital amps we're very low noise and they sounded really good.

Other than that, there's really not much difference.

A couple of us got really good deals... 1K or less. I personally don't think the 920 is worth paying MSRP. I purchased mine because I wanted to go atmos. Otherwise, my Denon x3100 was perfectly fine.

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Does Accu EQ calibrate subs independently on the 820 and/or 920? I have 2 SVS pb13 ultra’s in my system.
I believe I read somewhere that on the 920 both subwoofer outputs are parallel. Meaning the same signal is sent to both subwoofers. They are not independent signals.

So if the 920 does not have independent subwoofer levels, I don't think that 820 has it either.

I would have to look at the manual to make sure, but like I said, I believe I read that somewhere.

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