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ATI ATP16... 16 channels preamp/processor



From here: https://www.soundandvision.com/content/ati-goes-dirac

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This sounds very exciting...

More details please.
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Has anyone heard anymore details on this unit?

Will the end user be able to run Dirac themselves?
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I understand this is based on the Datasat LS-10. I do not know what differences, if any, will be incorporated into the ATP-16.
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I understand this is based on the Datasat LS-10. I do not know what differences, if any, will be incorporated into the ATP-16.
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Has anyone heard anymore details on this unit?

Will the end user be able to run Dirac themselves?
Also curious about this as it could be a nice companion for my ATI AT6007's.

Ideally, it would be a slightly tweaked Datasat LS10 with:

1) User can obtain the required items (calibrated mic and the Dirac software) to do their own Dirac calibration at a reasonable cost.

2) Make the 16 outputs channels assignable so that the user can do things like use 2 outputs per channel to bi-amp 7 main channels and configure a pair of subwoofer outputs. This would be perfect for those of us who don't have the option to install additional channels. Though it would be ideal, there's no need for fancy things like active crossovers for bi-amping.

3) Full HDMI 2.0 / HDCP 2.2 support, including 18Gbps on all inputs / outputs and HDR & Dolby Vision support.

4) Make the video board (ideally user) replaceable so that it would be possible to upgrade to HDMI 2.1 when appropriate without having to replace the entire pre-pro.

Since you're posting here, @SteveH - assuming the sonics are the same as the current Datasat pre-pros, do you have any thoughts on this versus the new Marantz AV8005?

What I go with will be paired with 2 x AT6007 amps, 6 x Salon2's, Voice2, 2 x Seaton Submersive HP subwoofers, LG 77" G7 OLED, and Oppo UDP-203 & UDP-205 as the primary high quality sources.

I know it's probably a bit irrational, but I'm having trouble getting excited about the AV8005. The other main contender to replace my now ancient Denon AVP-A1HDCI is the Emotiva RMC-1 (if it ever ships).

And @Stereojeff thanks for all the help with obtaining the pair of ATI AT6007's and sorting out the minor list of initial issues with them. Once the issues were dealt with, I've been very pleased with them. Enjoy your retirement.
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Also curious about this as it could be a nice companion for my ATI AT6007's.

Ideally, it would be a slightly tweaked Datasat LS10 with:

1) User can obtain the required items (calibrated mic and the Dirac software) to do their own Dirac calibration at a reasonable cost.

2) Make the 16 outputs channels assignable so that the user can do things like use 2 outputs per channel to bi-amp 7 main channels and configure a pair of subwoofer outputs. This would be perfect for those of us who don't have the option to install additional channels. Though it would be ideal, there's no need for fancy things like active crossovers for bi-amping.

3) Full HDMI 2.0 / HDCP 2.2 support, including 18Gbps on all inputs / outputs and HDR & Dolby Vision support.

4) Make the video board (ideally user) replaceable so that it would be possible to upgrade to HDMI 2.1 when appropriate without having to replace the entire pre-pro.

Since you're posting here, @SteveH - assuming the sonics are the same as the current Datasat pre-pros, do you have any thoughts on this versus the new Marantz AV8005?

What I go with will be paired with 2 x AT6007 amps, 6 x Salon2's, Voice2, 2 x Seaton Submersive HP subwoofers, LG 77" G7 OLED, and Oppo UDP-203 & UDP-205 as the primary high quality sources.

I know it's probably a bit irrational, but I'm having trouble getting excited about the AV8005. The other main contender to replace my now ancient Denon AVP-A1HDCI is the Emotiva RMC-1 (if it ever ships).

And @Stereojeff thanks for all the help with obtaining the pair of ATI AT6007's and sorting out the minor list of initial issues with them. Once the issues were dealt with, I've been very pleased with them. Enjoy your retirement.
Going form memory, the ATI will be a Datasat with an extra channel and other updates. I would have to ask about the biamping option. Normally, that doesn't make the cut. Re: Dirac. I made it known that the only way I would sell it is if they enabled the end user to calibrate the Dirac. ATI support confirmed that would indeed be the case. Yes on the 2.0/2.2 support. If I heard him right, they will also include a single HDMI 1.4 input because 1.4 is now extremely stable. Meaning, if you had handshaking problems, then use the 1.4 input. In 2018, that's a smart move.

I must admit, I'm stoked to see all of the new prepro competition coming up the ranks. I ordered a bunch of Emotiva processor that I am preselling them. They will eventually ship.

As for how the 8805 is going to sound. TBD. It "should" sound better than the 8802A.
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Bump. Was hoping to see something get announced around Cedia but I guess not to be.


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Is this PrePro coming out soon ? Comes with Dirac Live correct ?
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Its so weird. ATI is usually pretty solid and to not have any follow-up on this is not like them. Maybe they sold the rights to roll this product out to Emotiva
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Lol. I was really hoping to see this in the wild by now.


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Looks like this got scaled back and released for Monoprice.

Wondering if an ATI version is dead or still pending.




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I hope not... I've been holding off for the ATI version.

A 16 channel pre-pro with Dirac at a reasonable price checks off most of the boxes for a large part of the market I think. Monoprice should do well with this if it's execution/build is done well.
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I hope not... I've been holding off for the ATI version.



A 16 channel pre-pro with Dirac at a reasonable price checks off most of the boxes for a large part of the market I think. Monoprice should do well with this if it's execution/build is done well.
Maybe the ATI version can have some expansion bays to allow >16 channels.

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Sure, I guess. But that's apt to add additional cost. IMHO 16 channels is probably the sweet spot for most home theaters. If you need or want more, I think you're more likely to be looking at Trinnov, DataSat, or StormAudio.
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Sure, I guess. But that's apt to add additional cost. IMHO 16 channels is probably the sweet spot for most home theaters. If you need or want more, I think you're more likely to be looking at Trinnov, DataSat, or StormAudio.
Given that ATI now owns Datasat and the ATP16 is a derivative of a Datasat product, it’s reasonable that ATI might offer an option that supports more channels if they feel the market is there. However, discussion in the Monoprice thread suggests that ATI has decided not to proceed with the ATP16, so they may have decided that the Monoprice distribution channel is a better way to sell the product.
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Given that ATI now owns Datasat and the ATP16 is a derivative of a Datasat product, it’s reasonable that ATI might offer an option Theater supports more channels if they feel the market is there. However, discussion in the Monoprice thread suggests that ATI has decided not to proceed with the ATP16, so they may have decided that the Monoprice distribution channel is a better way to sell the product.
Uh-huh, correct. And ATI also owns Theta Digital which offers the Casablanca IVa which is currently available with 12 channels, includes Dirac and has two open card slots on the back panel for additional expansion. So I imagine the Casablanca IVa could be pushed to 24 channels without too much work. The DataSat RS20i is already expandable to 24 channels. No new news here. ATI is somewhat flush with expandable up to 24 channel pre-pro's. Why offer a clone (same features) of what you're already making/selling at a lower price point that cannibalizes your higher end market product?

My point is/was simply that a lower cost unit at 16 channels, ATI branded, pushes a lot of buttons for a lot of home theaters.

Yea, Monoprice maybe the way to do it. Maybe they needed a partner to share the cost. I really don't know. I just know that it's taking some time to hit the market with a good quality 16 channel unit at a reasonable price that runs Dirac. Bryston has their 16 channel/Driac unit, the SP4 which is a clone of the StormAudio ISP 3D.16 ELITE and it's MSRP is $14,000.00. So something that comes in around $3,000 - $4,000 is kind of a breath of fresh air.

Nothing against Monoprice, but I'd rather have a piece of equipment sitting in my rack with an ATI logo on it vs. Monprice.
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Nothing against Monoprice, but I'd rather have a piece of equipment sitting in my rack with an ATI logo on it vs. Monprice.
As long as the quality is there and the feature set delivers, I don’t really care what logo is on the equipment. The equipment is behind a door; I’m looking at what shows up on my TV and listening to what comes out of the speakers.
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As long as the quality is there and the feature set delivers, I don’t really care what logo is on the equipment. The equipment is behind a door; I’m looking at what shows up on my TV and listening to what comes out of the speakers.
Yea, I sort of expected that retort. No doubt it's a somewhat snobbish attitude. I've used, off and on, Morris Kessler products since 1970. His products and after market service have always delivered for me and that kind of product/service is hard to ignore.

I do appreciate Monoprice's seeming commitment to offering quality product at lower prices and their push into higher end audio products is also welcomed at a time when so many good name brands of the past have been reduced to a mere shadow of what they used to be through consolidations and bankruptcies.

My concern is that Monoprice is not a manufacture, but just a re-branding retailer. A good many of Monoprice's products come and go and warranty support as well as long term service support for this type of product has yet to be established by them. Internet retail commerce is still somewhat fragile as far as store fronts go unless your name is Amazon. I can click on many broken links to businesses that I've bought from in the past.

So yea, the equipment is behind the door and the proof is in the pudding. I would just feel more comfortable buying the pudding from the maker in this case vs. the pudding stand re-seller on the corner.
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My concern is that Monoprice is not a manufacture, but just a re-branding retailer. A good many of Monoprice's products come and go and warranty support as well as long term service support for this type of product has yet to be established by them.

Perhaps service calls will be directed to ATI, though getting ATI product and service at Monoprices might be too good to be true.

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I submitted a web inquiry via ATI.com on the status of the ATP16 when seeing the monoprice unit announced last week that certainly appears to be ATI built and similar to the Datasat LS10.


The response I received today is as follows;




Thank you for contacting us. About a year ago we displayed a prototype processor based on the Datasat LS10 (ATI owns Datasat).
https://www.soundandvision.com/content/ati-goes-dirac
We are still finalizing details, so there isn't anything new to report since the above article. We are hoping to release it by CEDIA later this year.

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For whatever the above is worth.

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I submitted a web inquiry via ATI.com on the status of the ATP16 when seeing the monoprice unit announced last week that certainly appears to be ATI built and similar to the Datasat LS10.


The response I received today is as follows;




Thank you for contacting us. About a year ago we displayed a prototype processor based on the Datasat LS10 (ATI owns Datasat).
https://www.soundandvision.com/content/ati-goes-dirac
We are still finalizing details, so there isn't anything new to report since the above article. We are hoping to release it by CEDIA later this year.

Best,
Sanjay Durani
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For whatever the above is worth.
I don't think that Sanjay fellow is a very reliable source
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I'd like to see a balanced analog input in the Monoprice version. Is that in the cards?


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Yesterday I stopped by ATI's exhibit at CES and saw the revised ATP-16. As I recall it is scheduled for release in Q1. Morris told me it's powered by a new 1 GHz TI DSP chip that handles all the processing. Pricing to be announced.

ATI is also showing new monoblock amps rated at 500W RMS, 8 ohms. These are based on bridged Hypex NC-500 modules and are essentially one half of the AT542NC.


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Is there an ATI distributor in Europe?
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Yesterday I stopped by ATI's exhibit at CES and saw the revised ATP-16. As I recall it is scheduled for release in Q1. Morris told me it's powered by a new 1 GHz TI DSP chip that handles all the processing. Pricing to be announced.

ATI is also showing new monoblock amps rated at 500W RMS, 8 ohms. These are based on bridged Hypex NC-500 modules and are essentially one half of the AT542NC.


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Now we're talking... Any chance of a picture of the back side of the ATP-16?
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