Originally Posted by n00b2
Would going down that route work for discrete channels since the 6200 is only 9 channels?
It has 11.2 channels of processing, so you would configure it as 9.x.2. The 8500 would play all heights and that's it. But some would say that's a waste of money. But it's the ONLY AVR that can play 6 height channels so it's the only (non-sky high) solution with just two receivers to get 9.x.6.
I would have thought connecting it only as 9.1 would mean all the height content gets played on the main receivers and the 8500 would be doubling that content through the heights. Same for Auro 13.1 and Auromatic I would have thought.
That's why you configure the receiver to play 9.1.2, not just 9.1 (again it has 11 channels of processing and since you're not going to actually use the heights from the this receiver, you don't need to worry about an amplifier for them).
Originally Posted by brazensol
Why not use something like a Denon 6200W (supports front wides) and the 8500H (for the 6 Atmos overheads) for 9.x.6 using only 2 processors? That's what I'm using and it seems to work just fine. Also the RMC-1 is only $4,999.00! from Emotiva and I am really hoping they get it sorted out within a year or so.
I mentioned that type of combination earlier. There is one big down side and that is the DTS 11-channel limit. By using two receivers, you do get more than 11-channels (13 to be specific), but that still only nets you 9.x.4. Because the 8500H cannot be set up to play 5.x.6, using 7.x.6 will leave out the top middle speaker in favor of the rear surround speakers (which aren't even being used). AFAIK
, there is no "preference" option to tell it which speakers to leave out in DTS mode when more than 11 are available (I could be wrong; I only looked at the manual and don't actually own one). It will, of course work in Atmos mode for 9.1.6 and you have the nice Auro 13.1 setup as well (which can use the rear surrounds even with the upmixer).
But for me, the loss of top middle in DTS X or Neural X modes would leave a large "hole" over the middle of my room since I need 6 overheads just to cover the full length of the 24' long room edge-to-edge so I can have three rows with coverage "behind" all three. By using Pro Logic extraction, I avoid the DTS limit and it works in ALL modes (including Auro-3D oddly enough as using rear height for Auro-3D plus the top middle extraction actually produces a full room length effect for it. Sadly, I would need to copy the side surrounds to the back (another switchbox needed) to fully pull the effect back as well as possible, but it works pretty well even with just rear heights for the 3rd row. I can also switch to "pure" Auro-3D with the switchbox I do have connected which will move the rear height to the side height position or play both at once (latter works well for three rows too, but sounds "different" from using the extracted top middle). Certainly DTS X sounds amazing in 9.1.6 and I'm only using matrixed front wides, but for example, the scene in Harry Potter Prisoner of Azkaban where the Whomping Willow tree swings Emma/Harry towards the screen had the sound pass right through me at ear level and behind me (Someone watching it with me freaked out! That was funny). This was possible because the front wides are in-between the fronts and sides and allow the sound to image fully in-between and then behind to the sides just behind me and then to the rears even further back). When the clock tower bonged, it bonged right over and just behind my head in the MLP (overhead and just in front of my head in the 2nd row and about over the 2nd row center from the 3rd row). Fantastic. Red Tails had planes flying above my screen left to right and right over my head front to back. It works great (and I use side heights, not ceiling and it works regardless in all three formats in a narrow room).
If you want 9.x.6 that works fully with DTS X, you need to use extraction for the top middle location. That also means, as I said before, you don't need the 8500 at that point. It's still nice for Auro-3D 13.1, but how many titles are available with 13.1? Two, I believe and frankly their web site looks almost dead to me with the only Blu-Rays announced in the past 4 months being a foreign language German movie and a music album. Half the music albums on that site are dead links now (places out of business) and mostly classical music anyway. I'd personally love to see 3 formats to pick from, but it doesn't appear likely at this point. Even DTS has had to partner up with IMAX to increase its presence (remains to be seen whether anyone will care). Personally, I think Auro-3D could potentially carve a niche with "5.1" Blu-Ray releases (still loads of them) by offering their services for very low cost to piggy-back the Auro-3D 10.1 track (which AFAIK
just sits in the extra bits in a 24-bit signal and therefore really doesn't take up a lot more space other than not compressing as much).
I'd definitely prefer Auro 11.1 instead of just 5.1. The problem, of course is getting the studios to do it and for Auro-3D to make money, they can't work for free, although if they want to save the company in the long run, they NEED more market share (even some of their theaters are converting over to DTS X in some places from what I read and frankly there's 3 Auro-Max theaters within 50 miles of me (one within about 2 miles) and NO Atmos theaters anywhere NEAR here, but they're only putting out a few titles a year in Auro-Max at this point from what I'm seeing on their web site so Auro-Max without a movie playing in it is just using the upmixer or bed speakers and honestly, the Auro upmixer sucks compared to Neural X for movies (better for music, I think). Neural X is unbelievable how good it can make a 5.1 track sound (The Meg 3D was only in 5.1 but I never would have guessed it in Neural X. It sounded not only immersive, but better than most Atmos mixes I've heard so far for height use. Only Harry Potter (DTS X) and Red Tails (Auro-3D) have impressed me more so far (admittedly I've only listened to small percentage of the titles out there so far, but have over 70 available to me at this point between Blu-Ray purchases in all three formats and iTunes Atmos streaming with 10 in Auro-3D, 22 in DTS X and the rest in Dolby Atmos).