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I think that in summer 2019 we’ll be happy if we get HDMI 2.1. I highly doubt that a new model will arrive that early. I would expect a new model in 2020, maybe.

What I want isn’t really hardware. I’d be happy if DTS:X and Neural:X were able to support 13 channels in 9.1.4, and if HDR10+ was supported (not because I need it, just for resale value).

I think that with these few software improvements, I could keep the X8500H until there is a good reason to upgrade, and I don’t really see it given that I have little use for 9.1.6 in my current room.
That's about all I want.I just had a guest say ( after watching " M. I. : Fallout ) my theater sounds better than it ever has - thanks to both the X8500 and adding 2 ceiling speakers ( and lowering my side / rear surrounds ). Come on DTS - give us all 13 channels.
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I revised post 3184 for 8500HA wish list due Summer-2019....

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I revised post 3184 for 8500HA wish list due Summer-2019....

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You forgot HDR10+ Compatibility and 13ch support for DTS:X / Neural:X in your recap
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The *OFFICIAL* Denon AVR-X8500H 13.2ch Flagship AVR Thread

Watching this on Netflix now with my 12 and 14 year old boys, I actually like it a lot. Good Atmos mix also, because I can’t anamorphic stretch it



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You forgot HDR10+ Compatibility and 13ch support for DTS:X / Neural:X in your recap


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If the goal is to watch 4K, then whatever you connect to the HDMI zon2 output need to be HDMI 2.0/HTCP2.2 complient, or it will downscale to 1080P.[/QUOTE] what about the main zone? What type of Hdmi is needed for 4k?
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If the goal is to watch 4K, then whatever you connect to the HDMI zon2 output need to be HDMI 2.0/HTCP2.2 complient, or it will downscale to 1080P.
what about the main zone? What type of Hdmi is needed for 4k?[/QUOTE]

HDMI v2.0 with HDCP v2.2. The latter is required because most 4K video sources use that encryption.

Those features are included in the AVR-X8500H.

However, to get reliable audio and video (without dropouts), you also will probably have to upgrade your cables to Certified Premium. Especially when longer distances are involved, High Speed cables are inadequate. They introduce excessive attenuation and dispersion, making the digital signal difficult to decode.

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Just because the system is supposed to be able to hit 105dB peaks per speaker that does NOT mean that any soundtrack ever will come anywhere NEAR that amount. When was the last time you were at a cinema and felt the need to plug your ears because it was so flipping loud? Music tends to be compressed as hell and sit at average volumes, but movies peak here and there and they don't necessarily peak at 105db just because they CAN. IN other words, you should not expect it to hit 105dB per screen speaker just because you play at 0dB on the AVR dial. I'm usually at around -6 to -10dB for most movies and -12 to -20 for music.
Exactly. There is no way you will use all the power of this unit watching a movie. 2 channel music is a totally different story. You want to rock out, pick up some red dragon audio 1000 watt mono blocks
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I received my new Denon 8500H yesterday! (I did the upgrade program through Denon and sent in my 6400 and paid the difference)

I am going to set it up this weekend. I do have a Marantz MM7055 5 channel amp not being used right now. Is there a benefit to using that in conjunction with the 8500? (maybe to power the fronts, center, and surrounds)?

I currently have 15 Definitive Technology speakers in the theater room:

Base 7
Fronts = 8040 towers
Center = 8060 center
Surrounds = 8040 towers
Surround Backs = DT UIWBPZ/A (in wall)
Heights (8 total):
Top Middles =DefTech UIWBPZ/A (celing)
Center Height = Definitive Technology Di 6.5R
Rear Heights= Definitive Technology Di 6.5S
Front Heights = Definitive Technology Di 6.5S
Voice of God = Definitive Technology Di 6.5S


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I received my new Denon 8500H yesterday! (I did the upgrade program through Denon and sent in my 6400 and paid the difference)

I am going to set it up this weekend. I do have a Marantz MM7055 5 channel amp not being used right now. Is there a benefit to using that in conjunction with the 8500? (maybe to power the fronts, center, and surrounds)?

I currently have 15 Definitive Technology speakers in the theater room:

Base 7
Fronts = 8040 towers
Center = 8060 center
Surrounds = 8040 towers
Surround Backs = DT UIWBPZ/A (in wall)
Heights (8 total):
Top Middles =DefTech UIWBPZ/A (celing)
Center Height = Definitive Technology Di 6.5R
Rear Heights= Definitive Technology Di 6.5S
Front Heights = Definitive Technology Di 6.5S
Voice of God = Definitive Technology Di 6.5S


I will post pics on my next post.
Not likely as Def Tech speakers are very easy to drive.
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Photos of room. The 8500 is perfect to connect all 8 height speakers! Last photo is install of Voice of God

Next upgrade will be to get a Sony 285ES projector to have native 4k and Imax Enhanced projector. I ordered the 2 IE discs today (Journey to South Pacifi and Blue PLanet) to test out the Imax Enhanced sound on the 8500. Anyone try it yet?
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Not likely as Def Tech speakers are very easy to drive.
Great! Then I can actually have a 1 box solution for 15 speakers! It took 2 years to get this far. I was able to get Denon to send me the Auro 3D demo disc and my installer gave me the Dolby Atmos demo disc.

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Photos of room. The 8500 is perfect to connect all 8 height speakers! Last photo is install of Voice of God

Next upgrade will be to get a Sony 285ES projector to have native 4k and Imax Enhanced projector. I ordered the 2 IE discs today (Journey to South Pacifi and Blue PLanet) to test out the Imax Enhanced sound on the 8500. Anyone try it yet?
Nice room. How tall is your ceiling? It looks like there are 4 speakers on the back wall for heights (some higher than others) or is that something else? Any reason you went with a center channel speaker instead of another matching tower? (i.e. it looks like you could easily fit a 8040 tower under the screen in the middle without interfering). I'd personally have the L/R speakers closer to the edges of the screen for movies with panned dialog. Those look closer to a front wide position and too close to the corner (without a baffle corner loading can possibly cause muddy sound).

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Hey Team X8500H - I figured out something really cool today (may not be a new thing to everyone, I'm sure some of the experimental fringe like Nalleh or Manni may be aware of this already, but I bet it will be new to most!)...

With the "Custom" amp assign mode, most people are aware that you can remap any of the amps to virtually any speaker output. For example, if you have a 2ch amp for your front L/R speakers, you can re-purpose those two amps to drive a pair of Zone 2 speakers, or a second pair of side surrounds (e.g. if you have two rows and and want one per row).

But when toggling through the options, I realized one of the settings available for each amp is "None". The intent I assume is to "shut down" unused amps when you are using external amplifications on certain channels or whatever.

But the neat implication of this -- by setting an output to "None, you can discretely "mute" any pair of speakers at will! This is different than disabling a pair of speakers in "Speaker Config" because the processor still thinks those speakers are part of the layout. It just assumes you're using external amps on those speakers/channels. So you can easily do isolated testing of what sound is coming out of specific speakers depending on the context without having to do the "stand up and put your ear against the speaker" test.

So, for example, you're curious how much height info is being put out by Dolby Surround vs. DTS Neural:X? Or you want to test if that awesome helicopter scene in San Andres really doesn't have any sound in the heights? EASY. Simply set all outputs to "None" except the overhead speakers, and voila! your base layer is muted and only the heights are outputting sound.

Are you running a 7.1.6 setup, and want to know if the sound in a certain Atmos mix is collapsing to the TM speakers vs. being spread across all 6 overheads? EASY, just mute the base layer and the TM speakers, so the only active speakers are the front/rear overheads.

Are you listening to a cool Atmos mix on a 9.1.4 setup and are curious how much action the Front Wide speakers are getting? EASY, just mute everything but the FW outputs.
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Nice room. How tall is your ceiling? It looks like there are 4 speakers on the back wall for heights (some higher than others) or is that something else? Any reason you went with a center channel speaker instead of another matching tower? (i.e. it looks like you could easily fit a 8040 tower under the screen in the middle without interfering). I'd personally have the L/R speakers closer to the edges of the screen for movies with panned dialog. Those look closer to a front wide position and too close to the corner (without a baffle corner loading can possibly cause muddy sound).
Thanks so much for the ideas!!! There are 4 speakers on the back wall - two are rear heights (added last year on that rear slant really up high!) and the other two are the existing surround backs (installed 10 years ago!)

Back then, my 7.1 was set up with in ceilings for surrounds (which I am now re-purposing as top middle Right and top middle left) and then the surround backs in back of room, BUT, a little bit high since the room has 3 tiered levels.

Is it possible to use a tower as a center channel? Would that be awkward? I just snapped a few pics of how it would look with a 8040 tower underneath the screen and i t looks like it could easily fit without interfering with the screen! BUT, I never considered it. OH, I do have TWO extra 8040 towers unused in the game room...

I like the idea of moving in the front L&R towers, never thought about that before.. You are right, it looks like they are front wides! I do have an unused Marantz 7010 (has front wides on pre-outs - its neat because it does 13 channel pre-outs and my newer 7012 only does 11 channels pre-outs) and I still have that unused MM7055. I thought about doing 9.1.6 in media room, but would have to use 2 receivers = a 7010 with the 8500, or even my 7012 with the 8500 (then move the unused 7010 to living room)

Here are some pics of placing a tower under the screen for a possible center channel, also pics of the side of room where I am considering to do NEW in walls for side surrounds at ear level (either 2, or maybe even 4 as an array since the room has 3 tiers)

Thoughts? waiting on Amazon to deliver my banana plugs then I can set up the 8500!! I have banana plugs on 11 channels, I want to add the plugs on the additional four channels (voice of God, center height, top middle right, top middle left) then I will put the extra plugs in the living room. It is so much easier with banana plugs when attaching speakers!! Then again, if you dont plan to change receivers often, you probably dont need them. I hope to keep this 8500 for 10 years!!

pics below. I appreciate any ideas and constructive feedback!!
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Here is view again of the back showing Top Middles (originally was my surround R&L), also showing:
REAR Heights (newly added on that rear slant of the room)
and Surround Backs. Surround Backs are kind of high but also from 2008...
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Nice room. How tall is your ceiling? It looks like there are 4 speakers on the back wall for heights (some higher than others) or is that something else? Any reason you went with a center channel speaker instead of another matching tower? (i.e. it looks like you could easily fit a 8040 tower under the screen in the middle without interfering). I'd personally have the L/R speakers closer to the edges of the screen for movies with panned dialog. Those look closer to a front wide position and too close to the corner (without a baffle corner loading can possibly cause muddy sound).
Just re-measured the room to confirm what installer wrote down.. It is 11 feet from ground to ceiling speakers. It is 29 feet from front of room to back of room, and it is 22 feet from Side to side.

29 X 22 X 11

The front height and rear height are slanted (also center height), so those speakers are 9-10 feet from the ground. The top middles and Voice of God are 11 feet high from middle listening position.

I attached pic from the installer that shows 9 foot height of wall where the screen is, 15.5 foot throw distance, and layout pattern they used for install!

Also, just did in store pick up of the two IE movies (A Beautiful Planet & Journey to South Pacific)
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@batpig : the tip you mention above works great, except when you do have some channels powered externally. In that case, you still have to disable the speakers physically, because setting them to none doesn’t prevent the x8500h from sending the signal to the external amps, as you note.

If you use one external amp per speaker/channel, that’s fairly easy to do, you just switch off the corresponding amp, but for someone like me using older AVRs to power a set of speakers, it doesn’t change much. The main use for me would be to check the content in the wides, as I could switch off my two external AVRs to mute all the heights, and leave only the FWs enabled.

Thanks for the reminder, I might give it a try when I’m curious about the FWs content. It’s a great tip for those who only use the internal amps.

My understanding was that switching off unused amps doesn’t make any difference re power use, which is why I didn’t bother with these settings until now, but I’ll definitely check for that if you think it might make a difference as I only use 9 amps out of 13 (all my heights are externally powered).

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@Bejoy - Yes, you can use a full range tower center. That will give you identical sound distribution patterns (can't think of the word). Center speakers came about due to no place to put towers, but many center designs have issues with having woofers mounted in horizontal patterns instead of vertical, causing the sound to be uneven the further you are off center, defeating the point to some extent. More creative centers avoid these combing effects, but still generally aren't identical matches with left and right mains.

Click on "theater" in my signature to see my newest pictures if how I set up my 9.1.6 setup. I have three PSB T45s across the front and B15 bookshelf speakers for wides (same drivers, but one can sit on an end table). It's never sounded better.

You might want to bring the rear surrounds down to match the side surrounds if possible (looks like it would be a pain to do that, though). The high ceiling is nice. That should get you nice height angles without having to pull heights further into the room. Your room should be capable of near perfect surround sound. You could add front wides with the 7010 for sure (e.g. Leave existing towers close (maybe a little away from the corners towards surround sides) as front wides and use those extra two as L/R near corners of the screen. You'd either have to use the existing center or get another tower, though since you'd be using those extras. If you power the center heights separately, you could use an active mixer like I have to "lift" the dialog to appear to come from behind the screen instead if below it (i.e. Mix a bit of center preout in with the center height with the mixer)


@batpig - That's pretty cool. I wish my 7012 could mute channels easily. I can easily mute my heights and front wides with mute on my Yamaha AVR (and Onkyo units for top middle) and even disable the wides by telling it no surround backs (powered on those inputs), but muting the main 7 channels is a pain since turning off or muting the 7012 also mutes the preouts. Setting levels for matrixed front wides is difficult for that reason (have to pull banana plugs on front L/R and side surrounds).

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@MagnumX - Thanks for the ideas. It would be hard to lower the surround backs. BUT, I could add 2 of those unused Definitive Technology in walls at a lower level in the back for surround backs - (ear level) and have those at the same level as the fronts, centers, and surrounds. Then, i would connect those in series to the higher surround backs creating a "cocoon" of surround sound? Not sure if it is safe to connect speakers in series?

It would be hard to run wire to the front of the room to do the front wides as is, and add in walls for new front R&L.

Just checked out your signature by clicking theater. It is awesome!!! I actually saw that a couple of months ago while on the avs forum, it was neat to see it again. I like how you went to 7012 from 7010 (I did the same )

Well, had 7010 paired with 7055 to do a 7.1.4. But, after adding more speakers, I wanted to do 7.1.6. I love how the 8500 will let you set up all 3 sound formats without having to rewire or re-designate speakers in amp assign. I have front heights, rear heights, and top middles and that layout works for all 3 formats! It should work fine for IMax Enhanced as well!

It is a never ending upgrade in that media room. I think i am set with audio for a while though with this new 8500! Next upgrade will be a new projector next year (considering Sony 285ES or Sony 665ES - those are being clearanced in a couple of months and my Magnolia guy can get me a great deal on either one)

I have also considered getting a bigger screen. It is currently 120. i dont know if I can put in a bigger screen? Throw distance is 15.5 and the room is 29 X 22 X 11 (height of front wall is 9 feet) and the Magnolia guy said with my measurements - i could do a 130 inch screen, so not sure if that is worth it. I would like one of those edgeless screens maybe..

Thanks again for ideas!!

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Does anyone use an additional cooling fan with the Denon 8500 (on top)? I am considering to get one to help the 8500 last longer?

Denon said no additional cooler is needed since it has extra fans already built in? (They said that it should run hot, but, that is normal)

The Aircom AC Infinity, or something like that look like perfect fits for Marantz receivers though.

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Does anyone use an additional cooling fan with the Denon 8500 (on top)? I am considering to get one to help the 8500 last longer?

Denon said no additional cooler is needed since it has extra fans already built in? (They said that it should run hot, but, that is normal)

The Aircom AC Infinity, or something like that look like perfect fits for Marantz receivers though.
Heat is the enemy of electronic durability. Yes, I do use an AC Infinity unit to cool the Denon 8500H. The AC Infinity unit keeps the 8500 cool to the touch. Given the cost of the AC Infinity versus that of the Denon 8500H, it is a bargain.
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Photos of room. The 8500 is perfect to connect all 8 height speakers! Last photo is install of Voice of God

Next upgrade will be to get a Sony 285ES projector to have native 4k and Imax Enhanced projector. I ordered the 2 IE discs today (Journey to South Pacifi and Blue PLanet) to test out the Imax Enhanced sound on the 8500. Anyone try it yet?
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Does anyone use an additional cooling fan with the Denon 8500 (on top)? I am considering to get one to help the 8500 last longer?

Denon said no additional cooler is needed since it has extra fans already built in? (They said that it should run hot, but, that is normal)

The Aircom AC Infinity, or something like that look like perfect fits for Marantz receivers though.
AC Infinity fans are good for any brand of AVR and for $100, are a good addition for piece of mind; however, if there is sufficient ventilation (ie. 3-4" on top and sides and open front/back), no extra fan should be required.
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@MagnumX - Thanks for the ideas. It would be hard to lower the surround backs. BUT, I could add 2 of those unused Definitive Technology in walls at a lower level in the back for surround backs - (ear level) and have those at the same level as the fronts, centers, and surrounds. Then, i would connect those in series to the higher surround backs creating a "cocoon" of surround sound? Not sure if it is safe to connect speakers in series?
Well, probably more like in parallel, but yeah you CAN. It will be harder on the amplifier (def tech is pretty easy to drive so it would probably be OK). What that would do is "phantom image" in-between the two positions for the most part (unless you wired them out of phase to each other which would probably give you that "cocoon" effect (nebulous giant surround speaker, good for size less so for precise imaging). Personally, I'd probably go for the matching center speaker and see how the surrounds sound before making a final decision (i.e. compare centers and see what you think and then try the rear surrounds high and low. It never hurts to experiment a bit).

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It would be hard to run wire to the front of the room to do the front wides as is, and add in walls for new front R&L.
I was thinking using the existing jacks for L/R for wides (maybe just a bit longer cable to move them towards the couch a little) and run an extra cable for L/R under the screen and have matching L/C/R (i.e. you could get more or different speakers for front wides; they're really more like "front surrounds" to me, extending the soundstage between front and side (at least in DTS modes for "real" wides; Atmos use may vary a bit). You can, of course do whatever you like best.

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Just checked out your signature by clicking theater. It is awesome!!! I actually saw that a couple of months ago while on the avs forum, it was neat to see it again. I like how you went to 7012 from 7010 (I did the same )
Well, i don't know about awesome, but thanks for saying so. I tried my best for the space (still need to hide wires along the front/right wall) and add some drapery along the front, but it sounding pretty good. I'd like to get a 4K/3D projector at some point and an electric tensioned drop-down screen the next time they go on sale again (waited a day too long to order; could have gotten one for $250 at one point if you can believe it). Maybe they'll have OLE roll-down screens in the next couple of years instead (wouldn't want to lose 3D capability though).

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Well, had 7010 paired with 7055 to do a 7.1.4. But, after adding more speakers, I wanted to do 7.1.6. I love how the 8500 will let you set up all 3 sound formats without having to rewire or re-designate speakers in amp assign. I have front heights, rear heights, and top middles and that layout works for all 3 formats! It should work fine for IMax Enhanced as well!
If/when i get around to fixing the short in the 7010 I have, I might add it for true front wides. It could dupe the side surrounds for the 2nd/3rd row if I can find some speakers that would fit (although I'd probably prefer a mix of the side/rear there to mesh smooth transitions).

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I have also considered getting a bigger screen. It is currently 120. i dont know if I can put in a bigger screen? Throw distance is 15.5 and the room is 29 X 22 X 11 (height of front wall is 9 feet) and the Magnolia guy said with my measurements - i could do a 130 inch screen, so not sure if that is worth it. I would like one of those edgeless screens maybe..
Is that a 16:9 screen? If so, some projectors can do 2.35:1 with a digital zoom function (true Panavision lenses are pricey). I thought about that myself. I could fit a 118" 2.35:1 screen in the same space (same height, just wider). I don't know what I'd do about front heights, though as that would move them outward significantly. I'd probably have to move a set of CS500s to the ceiling like in the rear of the room (and hope they don't block the screen).

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I use the Aircom S9 and sit it on top of my AVR: https://www.amazon.com/AC-Infinity-T.../dp/B01LVUWOBX

I'm using all 13 internal amps and many of my speakers are 4ohm Triad so I'd prefer to have the extra cooling. It keeps the AVR barely warm to the touch.

Also if you have a bit of sticker shock, no need to spend $100, the S models are $30-40 less expensive and you just lose the digital readout and some extra options. The auto mode on mine works fine. And honestly if you don't care about the aesthetic value of the unit being the same 17" width as the AVR the 12" wide Aircom models (e.g. S6/S7) are only $50 and will do the job.
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I think that in summer 2019 we’ll be happy if we get HDMI 2.1. I highly doubt that a new model will arrive that early. I would expect a new model in 2020, maybe.

What I want isn’t really hardware. I’d be happy if DTS:X and Neural:X were able to support 13 channels in 9.1.4, and if HDR10+ was supported (not because I need it, just for resale value).

I think that with these few software improvements, I could keep the X8500H until there is a good reason to upgrade, and I don’t really see it given that I have little use for 9.1.6 in my current room.
You would think once the HDMI 2.1 gets added these suckers would be good to go for some years. Can you imagine a surround sound track requiring more channels then we already have?
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I read the review... meh, he lost me on the 150Hour break in


Then his explanation on sound .. where do these guys learn to write like that?




I agree on more Atmos speakers enrich the audio experience


The he lost me again on power cables




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