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After purchasing a new X8500H a few months back, I finally got around to wiring my LCR speakers and two subwoofers (the remaining 10 speakers will be connected soon enough). I connected my 4K Apple TV, HTPC, and DirecTV HR24 DVR via HDMI to three of the inputs on the back of the receiver.

Initially, everything was great in regards to sound coming from each device plugged into the Denon. I then discovered that I should set the 4K Signal Format to Enhanced (I have a Sony X900F TV which also has the 'enhanced' feature enabled for the input that is connected to the Denon). After doing so, I no longer get sound from my DirecTV DVR, though I still get video. I'm guessing this is due to the fact it is such an old device with an ancient HDMI port.

What are my options in order to get sound from the DVR playing through the Denon while leaving the 4K Signal Format on Enhanced?

Add an optical or coax cable, go to settings and set it there too so it knows where to retrieve the sound from.
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snip...Subtle mike positions can make a difference. Other stuff like ambient noise also affect the readings..

Thank you kindly for your reply.
What do you mean with subtle mike? I set up the microphone on my tripod and placed it exactly where it was required.
Audyssey seems to vary its results quite a lot (at least for higher frequencies) if you move the mic even a few inches, despite being in range of where it says to put it. Frankly, I was pretty disappointed by this as you might find a good setting, make a small room change (you're then supposed to run it again) and find the results unacceptable. I had shrill highs compared to no Audyssey "correction" the first time and it was much better the second time. It's a lengthy process to repeat so I'd hate to have to do it again any time soon, let alone multiple times "praying" for an acceptable result when it's clear to me it's FAR from reliable by taking a bunch of semi-random measurements that vary so much by tiny placement changes.

It's probably why many don't like Audyssey beyond the Schroedinger frequency below which it seems more reliable. There's some question about correction in regards to room reflections versus direct sound anyway in correction systems and whether it matters or not with pretty strong opinions on something that is ultimately still rather subjective or else we would all use the same speakers, at least for similar rooms.

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I will try to play with manual settings.
One other thing- the volume is very much down and after the setup it shows the levels in between -2db and -4.5db forcing me to level the volume up to 60+. What is wrong there?


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Audyssey changes absolute volume levels to match Dolby reference levels. They may go up or down depending on your room ad speakers relative to pre-calibration. There are two available scales. The default is 0 (low) to I believe 75 (high). The other option is -75 (low) to 0 (high) where 75 or 0 is reference, respectively. Values above either limit would be louder than reference. With 0 as reference, I believe mine goes up to +18 or 19 here. I typically watch movies somewhere between -12 and 0, often around -9 to -4. Music is typically -10 to -18 (55 to 70 on your scale assuming I got the reference point right, which I may not have given I don't like or use that scale) depending on average level and dynamic range, at least with rock albums, which are typically highly compressed in terms of dynamic range. Albums with more dynamic range nay need to go higher, closer to movies.
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Add an optical or coax cable, go to settings and set it there too so it knows where to retrieve the sound from.
Thanks for the idea. I browsed the manual online to get a sense of what setting(s) I'll need to change to get this to work.
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I upgraded from the 4520 to the 8500 and I'm quite disappointed with the 8500.
Which mic are you using? The mic from the 4520 or the new mic that came with the 8500? There's a decent amount of variance in the Audyssey mics so if you used the new mic, could be worth re-running Audyssey with the previous mic from the 4520.

As someone who's owned many Denons over the years, I can tell you there's no fundamental reason for the 8500 to sound significantly different than the 4520. It's still the same basic Denon platform, similar amp specs, same MultEQ XT32 calibration software, etc. If you're hearing a dramatic difference in sound quality, there are other variables at play.

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Thanks for the idea. I browsed the manual online to get a sense of what setting(s) I'll need to change to get this to work.

Setup>Inputs>Input Assign
Where ever your device without the sound is located, leave the HDMI number and under Digital change it to optical or coax (depending what cable you connected). Now it should play your sound not through the HDMI but through your newly attached cable.
Works?
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Which mic are you using? The mic from the 4520 or the new mic that came with the 8500? There's a decent amount of variance in the Audyssey mics so if you used the new mic, could be worth re-running Audyssey with the previous mic from the 4520.

I used the new mic (8500).


I got it to work placing the mic "exactly" 60cm from the sitting position with exactly the same height. Thank you for pointing that out.
I also have risen the volume levels of each speaker/sub by +2.5db. Now I'm back to the same volume as previously with the 4500.


One more thing which bothers me- why is this darn 8500 not going back to the previous selected source when switching it on again?
When I switch it on, it automatically goes to TV/Audio and not to Media Player I had selected before switching it off.
I can't find any setting to change that.
Any help please?


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One more thing which bothers me- why is this darn 8500 not going back to the previous selected source when switching it on again?
When I switch it on, it automatically goes to TV/Audio and not to Media Player I had selected before switching it off.
I can't find any setting to change that.
Any help please?


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Set <TV Audio Switching> (p. 199 Owner's manual) to OFF.
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I upgraded from the 4520 to the 8500 and I'm quite disappointed with the 8500.

I went through the initial setup and Audyssey tells ne the speakers are connected incorrectly (polarity). What a nonsense!
I set it to ignore and went on until step 8.
It sounds awful compare to my 4520.
My setup is a 5.1.4
What is wrong with Audyssey?
I turned off all devices to eliminate any background noise.
Thank you for any help.
Something is wrong for sure, it should be at least close to what you had already.....
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Which mic are you using? The mic from the 4520 or the new mic that came with the 8500? There's a decent amount of variance in the Audyssey mics so if you used the new mic, could be worth re-running Audyssey with the previous mic from the 4520.

As someone who's owned many Denons over the years, I can tell you there's no fundamental reason for the 8500 to sound significantly different than the 4520. It's still the same basic Denon platform, similar amp specs, same MultEQ XT32 calibration software, etc. If you're hearing a dramatic difference in sound quality, there are other variables at play.
I've had the 4520, X7200 and now the X8500 ( and a couple of Denon's prior to the 4520 ). You're right - no significant difference between them, although I do like the X8500 best. I've found that the Audyssey mic position can effect the results quite a bit. I've run it enough times now in my room with all three of those receivers to know when I just need to run it again. Easy enough since I work from home !

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Something is wrong for sure, it should be at least close to what you had already.....

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HDMI 1 input on my Denon 8500 has stopped showing video on my TV. Instead it only shows a blue screen. Changing the specific source to another HDMI input (e.g. 2 or 3) works just fine and passes the video to the TV.

Can anyone suggest a fix for this in settings or otherwise? Thank you.


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HDMI 1 input on my Denon 8500 has stopped showing video on my TV. Instead it only shows a blue screen. Changing the specific source to another HDMI input (e.g. 2 or 3) works just fine and passes the video to the TV.

Can anyone suggest a fix for this in settings or otherwise? Thank you.


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Try using a different HDMI cable for that input. If no joy, then do a "soft reset" of the AVR by powering off the X8500H and unplugging the power cord and HDMI cable plugged in to HDMI 1 for 10 minutes.
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Hey guys, was wondering if anyone could help with this issue: I've had my 8500 for ~6 months now and just noticed that sometimes the left channel sometimes just drops significantly in volume and stays there until I power off/on the receiver. It is not my speaker or the connection - I have swapped the L/R speakers and the issue stays on the left channel. From what I can tell the issue doesn't happen WHILE listening to content. e.g I will watch a show using Apple TV then when it ends I go to watch another and the sound is low now on the left channel. This happens for all inputs - Samsung 4k player, Apple TV, PS4, Tivo. Sometimes a single power off/on fixes the issue but sometimes it takes a couple times. The receiver is positioned on top of my low profile entertainment center with plenty of air circulation all around. When I first encountered this I immediately went to the setup and tested the speaker levels - the left channel setting is correct it just outputs at a much lower volume. I power down and restart and go back to the levels test and everything sounds correct. I'm calling Denon but curious if anyone else has experienced this and if there are any known issues/solutions. Thanks.
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Try using a different HDMI cable for that input. If no joy, then do a "soft reset" of the AVR by powering off the X8500H and unplugging the power cord and HDMI cable plugged in to HDMI 1 for 10 minutes.


Thanks @jdsmoothie for your swift response. I have just tried the suggestion but it did not seem to work as the video (and audio) on Input 1 is still not playing.


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Hey guys, was wondering if anyone could help with this issue: I've had my 8500 for ~6 months now and just noticed that sometimes the left channel sometimes just drops significantly in volume and stays there until I power off/on the receiver. It is not my speaker or the connection - I have swapped the L/R speakers and the issue stays on the left channel. From what I can tell the issue doesn't happen WHILE listening to content. e.g I will watch a show using Apple TV then when it ends I go to watch another and the sound is low now on the left channel. This happens for all inputs - Samsung 4k player, Apple TV, PS4, Tivo. Sometimes a single power off/on fixes the issue but sometimes it takes a couple times. The receiver is positioned on top of my low profile entertainment center with plenty of air circulation all around. When I first encountered this I immediately went to the setup and tested the speaker levels - the left channel setting is correct it just outputs at a much lower volume. I power down and restart and go back to the levels test and everything sounds correct. I'm calling Denon but curious if anyone else has experienced this and if there are any known issues/solutions. Thanks.

Give it a soft kick onto the top of the 8500 case. Is the volume coming back? I'm pretty sure it will be...?
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Thanks @jdsmoothie for your swift response. I have just tried the suggestion but it did not seem to work as the video (and audio) on Input 1 is still not playing.


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Setup>Inputs>Input Assign
Where ever your device without the sound is located, leave the HDMI number and under Digital change it to optical or coax (depending what cable you connected). Now it should play your sound not through the HDMI but through your newly attached cable.
Works?
Got my coax audio cable today... works like a champ!
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Hi, when i looked for 2 new front bookshelf speakers and wanted to get the new Monitor Audio Platinum SII, the seller told me i will need an additional power amp to drive them, Do you think the X8500H is enough (and good) to drive and get these for the full potential ?

https://www.monitoraudio.com/en/prod...inum-pl100-ii/

Maximum SPL: 111.8 dBA (pair)
Recommended Amplifier Requirements: 60 — 120 W
Crossover Frequency: 3.0 kHz
Frequency Response (-6 dB - IEC 268-13): 40 Hz — 100 kHz
Nominal Impedance: 6 ohms (4.5Ω min. @ 160 Hz)
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Power Handling (RMS): 120 W


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Hi, when i looked for 2 new front bookshelf speakers and wanted to get the new Monitor Audio Platinum SII, the seller told me i will need an additional power amp to drive them, Do you think the X8500H is enough (and good) to drive and get these for the full potential ?

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Maximum SPL: 111.8 dBA (pair)
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Frequency Response (-6 dB - IEC 268-13): 40 Hz — 100 kHz
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Hi, when i looked for 2 new front bookshelf speakers and wanted to get the new Monitor Audio Platinum SII, the seller told me i will need an additional power amp to drive them, Do you think the X8500H is enough (and good) to drive and get these for the full potential ?

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I'm wary of suppliers trying to sell more of what may or may not be required.

Ref - Purchasing a 13 Ch AVR for Power Amp arrangements - for a 2 channel Bookshelf speakers. To provide a proper answer - can you state what you currently use, and how many other channels etc you are looking to drive in your setup. AND what listening levels you are looking to achieve - is it music/movies?

The 8500 will be fine, I'm sure - but it doesn't make it the right choice without knowing more.

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I'm wary of suppliers trying to sell more of what may or may not be required.

Ref - Purchasing a 13 Ch AVR for Power Amp arrangements - for a 2 channel Bookshelf speakers. To provide a proper answer - can you state what you currently use, and how many other channels etc you are looking to drive in your setup. AND what listening levels you are looking to achieve - is it music/movies?

The 8500 will be fine, I'm sure - but it doesn't make it the right choice without knowing more.
Yes, that sound a good approach.
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Slowly trying to grow with speakers and the main reason i purchase the flagship X8500H is to not have the needs to invest in additional power amps...

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Slowly trying to grow with speakers and the main reason i purchase the flagship X8500H is to not have the needs to invest in additional power amps...
I'm not clear if you already have the X8500 (and sales were saying you needed dedicated PAamps), and you didn't mention your preferred volume/listening level. But the X8500 would be great, if not a little overkill. You should consider the 11 Ch. X6500 otherwise.

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Give it a soft kick onto the top of the 8500 case. Is the volume coming back? I'm pretty sure it will be...?
Seriously? lol... I did do one last thing to further investigate - when it happened again I plugged my headphones into the jack to see if it was also low there. It wasn't. But when I pulled them out there was a reset back to the mains and that (at least temporarily) resolved the issue. I don't know if the problem will come back like it does after a power down reset or if there was just something going on with the headphone jack that needed to be cleared out and it's resolved.... time will tell... Side note - Denon customer service had no answers other than to send it in to a service center.
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Seriously? lol... I did do one last thing to further investigate - when it happened again I plugged my headphones into the jack to see if it was also low there. It wasn't. But when I pulled them out there was a reset back to the mains and that (at least temporarily) resolved the issue. I don't know if the problem will come back like it does after a power down reset or if there was just something going on with the headphone jack that needed to be cleared out and it's resolved.... time will tell... Side note - Denon customer service had no answers other than to send it in to a service center.
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Seriously? lol... I did do one last thing to further investigate - when it happened again I plugged my headphones into the jack to see if it was also low there. It wasn't. But when I pulled them out there was a reset back to the mains and that (at least temporarily) resolved the issue. I don't know if the problem will come back like it does after a power down reset or if there was just something going on with the headphone jack that needed to be cleared out and it's resolved.... time will tell... Side note - Denon customer service had no answers other than to send it in to a service center.

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Edit: Remove the power cord fist and leave it rest for a few hours or use leather or rubber gloves to avoid a shock...

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Hi, when i looked for 2 new front bookshelf speakers and wanted to get the new Monitor Audio Platinum SII, the seller told me i will need an additional power amp to drive them, Do you think the X8500H is enough (and good) to drive and get these for the full potential ?

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Maximum SPL: 111.8 dBA (pair)
Recommended Amplifier Requirements: 60 — 120 W
Crossover Frequency: 3.0 kHz
Frequency Response (-6 dB - IEC 268-13): 40 Hz — 100 kHz
Nominal Impedance: 6 ohms (4.5Ω min. @ 160 Hz)
Sensitivity ([email protected]): 88 dB
Power Handling (RMS): 120 W


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Are you going to use a pair of small two-way bookshelf speakers for your main left and right speakers? Depending on the size of your room and the SPL you use, those speakers will likely be overwhelmed.
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Are you going to use a pair of small two-way bookshelf speakers for your main left and right speakers? Depending on the size of your room and the SPL you use, those speakers will likely be overwhelmed.
Yes, i already have the X8500H in my living room (medium size) and planned to add 2 more book shelf speakers, what can be overwhelmed in that?
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Yes, i already have the X8500H in my living room (medium size) and planned to add 2 more book shelf speakers, what can be overwhelmed in that?

Please be more clear. Are you adding these speakers to L and R bookshelf speakers you have so that you will have four speakers or will these bookshelf speakers be your only L and R speakers in a home theater setup? Perhaps the bookshelves speakers will form a new two channel system? Perhaps you'll use the bookshelf speakers for surround speakers?
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Hi, when i looked for 2 new front bookshelf speakers and wanted to get the new Monitor Audio Platinum SII, the seller told me i will need an additional power amp to drive them, Do you think the X8500H is enough (and good) to drive and get these for the full potential ?
The biggest variables are (1) listening distance / room size and (2) how loud you want to play.

Since you mention it's a medium sized living room, I assume you're not taxing them too hard. Let's say you listen at 10dB below reference at the loudest, so 95dB peaks, and you're sitting about 3m from the front speakers. You'll lose about 5-6dB to distance, so let's call it effectively ~82dB sensitivity at the listening position. That means it takes one watt to his 82dB, 10 watts to hit 92dB, and 100 watts to hit 102dB. So even 95dB peaks will barely take any power (~20 watts).

The X8500H has a very solid amp section and has no trouble with lower impedance speakers. I use the internal amps to drive my setup which is mostly 4ohm Triad speakers and it doesn't have any issues driving them loud and clean in my smallish room (~2,000 cubic ft, around 5m x 4m with 2.4m ceilings). This is especially true if you're using bass management so letting the subwoofer amp handle the difficult low frequencies.

So bottom line, in a moderate sized room at non-insane volume levels with 88db speakers you should have no trouble driving them with the internal amps of the X8500H.
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