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Ehhh, didn’t we discuss this earlier: you can not have wides and 6 heights in Atmos ?
Right. Dang note *5.
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A bit of sad news from early testing. It appears the unprecedented DSU capability of upmixing to the front wide speakers is a typo in the manual


Does the uber $$ Dataset / Trinnov options do this, but the Denon flagship cannot?

The Atmos thread is huge, I’ve read parts of it, weren’t there comments that Dolby was concerned about upmixing into wides from the mains might cause some issues?

I was hoping these new chipsets and software were capable.

I’ll still keep my purchase, as it’s a huge step from my 4520CI, just slightly lessens the “wow” for me if so.

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Right. Dang note *5.
Hey, i’d love to be wrong about that one, as that was one of the setups i was considering, and will test as soon as i get one. As both the manual and press releases have had small errors so far, i have a hope that this is one of them.

Maybe batpig can test and confirm.

As i can remember, there were some error back in 2014 when Atmos first came to home cinema, for example with the combined Atmos/Auro setups.

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A bit of sad news from early testing. It appears the unprecedented DSU capability of upmixing to the front wide speakers is a typo in the manual
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If this really proves to be the case, I for one am hugely disappointed- particularly as DTS-Neural X is also limited to just 11 channels. While I’m looking at the Marantz equivalent pre-pro, the Denon and Marantz are so similar in their operation that I can assume the same limitation will apply.

Having wired for 9.1.4 in the full expectation of being able to use all 9 base level speakers at all times, this is a massive blow. So much so that I may even reconsider buying the 8805, and pick up an end of line 8802A, which are selling for pretty much half-price here in the UK. I’m now struggling to see the benefit in having 9 base level speakers when the vast majority of my movie collection doesn’t have Atmos encoded sound tracks.

Seriously (re)considering my options now.
If this is indeed the case, I also find it a major, major disappointment along with the DTS:X/Neural:X 11ch limitation. (All of the D+M public releases I have seen loudly promote the AVR's 13-channel processing and also list the DTS:X feature in the same breath without caveat, which I find highly misleading.)

I will also have to rethink my order in light of this news, although I am curious to hear how the manufacturer explains the gaffe. Perhaps there is some process that has yet to be unlocked pending a FW update.
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If this really proves to be the case, I for one am hugely disappointed- particularly as DTS-Neural X is also limited to just 11 channels. While I’m looking at the Marantz equivalent pre-pro, the Denon and Marantz are so similar in their operation that I can assume the same limitation will apply.

Having wired for 9.1.4 in the full expectation of being able to use all 9 base level speakers at all times, this is a massive blow. So much so that I may even reconsider buying the 8805, and pick up an end of line 8802A, which are selling for pretty much half-price here in the UK. I’m now struggling to see the benefit in having 9 base level speakers when the vast majority of my movie collection doesn’t have Atmos encoded sound tracks.

Seriously (re)considering my options now.
Wasn't there mention of tweaking to DSU for better upmixing? Also there still is plenty of native Atmos content worthy of exploring with wides and more coming all the time
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Hey, i’d love to be wrong about that one, as that was one of the setups i was considering, and will test as soon as i get one. As both the manual and press releases have had small errors so far, i have a hope that this is one of them.

Maybe batpig can test and confirm.

As i can remember, there were some error back in 2014 when Atmos first came to home cinema, for example with the combined Atmos/Auro setups.
IOW, it seems that if one wants to keep FW along with six heights, the best multipurpose 15-speaker combo would seem to be the 7.1+FW+FH+RH+TS+CH that we discussed yesterday.

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Wasn't there mention of tweaking to DSU for better upmixing? Also there still is plenty of native Atmos content worthy of exploring with wides and more coming all the time
Indeed. And it’s why I’m still contemplating my next move. I currently have around 10 titles with Dolby Atmos content, and 400+ without!

As time goes on that ratio will get closer, but no thanks to the studios that reserve Atmos for their 4K releases. I buy very little 4K stuff, as the price differential is anything from 2-4 times the cost! With the upscaling from the Panny 900 being so good, I find it near impossible to tell the difference between a 4K disc and a vanilla BluRay.

So, for me at least, this purchase was all about the sound, being able to utilise my full setup, and nothing more- but also nothing less! If it’s true that D&M have hamstrung their products in the ways being discussed, it could well be a deal breaker; particularly at the $5000 mark, which it is in the UK.

Still very much undecided, I need to hear other people’s opinions on both the Denon and Marantz ‘flagships’ - I was going to be an early adopter, but I’ll now no doubt wait a few months before spending this sort of cash.
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IOW, it seems that if one wants to keep FW along with six heights, the best multipurpose 15-speaker combo would seem to be the 7.1+FW+FH+RH+TS+CH that we discussed yesterday.
Yes, 9.1.4(6 height setup) or 7.1.6 (8 height setup) is the two maxed out setups that also maxes out the Auro 13.1.
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The *OFFICIAL* Denon AVR-X8500H 13.2ch Flagship AVR Thread

I posted this here in my post # 5 here, but edited it out, moved it to my HT 2.0 thread.

Easiest way for me to go dual 9.2.4 + Auro-3D 13.1 is this layout I believe.
For me, I need to add RH's, CH and TS then.


But I'm not sure the Atmos ceiling top to rear panning, if there will be a "hole" mid-way, more than having Auro-3D 13.1 compatibility is worth.

If that's case, then I would go Atmos 9.2.4; 7.1 bed + FW + TF + TR and have to bag Auro-3D layout compatibility.

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Does the uber $$ Dataset / Trinnov options do this, but the Denon flagship cannot?
No they can not.

They can, however, remap and array speakers, so as to use more of them, but no wides in DSU.

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Can someone please confirm what is really going on in 9.2.4 mode ?
Are the FW speakers only going to work with Atmos and what is the Atmos use of FW in films
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Can the 8500 do 7.2.6?

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DSU vs 6 tops

If DSU does not utilize FW, will it utilize the 6 top speakers (7.x.6) or is that also only for atmos?
My home theater is layed out for 9.x.6 so I can go both ways and was anxious to try both out and see which one (9x4 or 7x6) would sound best but since most of my movie collection is still not in TrueHD Atmos I will be using DSU most of the time.
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No they can not.



They can, however, remap and array speakers, so as to use more of them, but no wides in DSU.


Understood, as more mixes are in Atmos this will become less frustrating.

Legacy mixes... , like many was counting on DSU to matrix wides with appropriate algorithms based on good psychoacoustic analysis.

Hopefully the basic research continues and Dolby comes to the table with a solution .
Time to find a willing PhD grad student, it could be his/her thesis.


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Just sold my X4300 on Fleabay the same day it listed, for more than I paid in a "close out" deal. That was the requirement for me to glom on to the X8500 sooner, rather than later. Then I saw today's DSU/Wides problem and that, combined with the delay in implementing Auro 13.1, caused me to purchase an X4400 with one of Fry's promocodes, today. I will have all the DSU capability of the first release X8500, will be able to do a tryout of 10.1 Auro and will have an eARC-capable Atmos Receiver I can migrate to the Living Room once I actually do get the X8500. I stopped being an early adopter after my Sony Qualia RPTV.
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Can the 8500 do 7.2.6?
Yes, and DSU should work fine with 7.2.6 output.
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For those lamenting my recent post, some collected thoughts and answers to queries above:

1. First, to be clear, this is a DOLBY problem and not a D+M problem.

To someone who asked above, yes Dolby has publicly stated this omission as intentional for years. For example this quote on DSU from a home Atmos white paper: ?To maintain the frontal spatial audio image, the upmixer will not send upmixed audio to speakers that are located between the left, center, and right speakers or to the left wide and right wide speakers.?

Also they never had front wide output on previous upmixers even when DTS and Audyssey DSX options did.

And as noted above not even Trinnov processors have this capability.

This is why it was so surprising that the early manual PDF indicated this was possible. Turns out it was just an especially unfortunate typo [IMG class=inlineimg]https://www.avsforum.com/forum/images/smilies/frown.gif[/IMG]

2. I?ve also confirmed the 11ch limit for DTS:X / Neural:X output. If I deactivate my back surrounds (so 5.1 + FW + 4 Heights) then the DTS flavors do output to FW. No such luck w DSU.

3. No reason DSU shouldn?t work with 7.1.6 output and I will test that son (reconnecting my back surrounds as RH just for testing). So you could theoretically do a 7.1.6 setup with FW instead of SB.

4. Yes this is a huge bummer for 9.1.4 setups as the full 13ch layout will ONLY be used with NATIVE Atmos mixes. Everything else (Auro aside) will be 7.1.4 with silent FW speakers.

5. I wouldn?t hold my breath waiting for Dolby to change this considering what I described in #1 above. It seems more likely that DTS will allow 13 outputs with Neural:X at some point than Dolby will allow FW output with DSU.

6. For Auro-philes, it may mean (once the firmware is ready) the optimal layout will be 9.1.4 with FH+RH+CH+VOG. Then you can play native Atmos with 9.1.4 and use Auromatic upmixer for 7.1.6 output on non Atmos material. Then you get 13 speaker output 100% of the time, although again FW will only be used w native Atmos.
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Thanks, @batpig . So considering wides is active in native Atmos ONLY, the question is if 6 Atmos heights would be preferable, ie 8 height setup.

Bummer....

Any impressions so far about how it sounds?

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Just sold my X4300 on Fleabay the same day it listed, for more than I paid in a "close out" deal. That was the requirement for me to glom on to the X8500 sooner, rather than later. Then I saw today's DSU/Wides problem and that, combined with the delay in implementing Auro 13.1, caused me to purchase an X4400 with one of Fry's promocodes, today. I will have all the DSU capability of the first release X8500, will be able to do a tryout of 10.1 Auro and will have an eARC-capable Atmos Receiver I can migrate to the Living Room once I actually do get the X8500. I stopped being an early adopter after my Sony Qualia RPTV.
Completely understand what you did! Early adopters do pay a price. Each of us will determine if the value is there for the price paid. I'm also seriously considering a temporary/interim solution until some of these things stabilize. Having always been an early adopter, I guess I may downgrade to semi-early adopter now.
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Yes, 9.1.4(6 height setup) or 7.1.6 (8 height setup) is the two maxed out setups that also maxes out the Auro 13.1.
I initially was unsure about Auromatic for the 199 price for my 6300H. But after using it for a long time I found subjectively I prefer it on music over the other DSU's. With the 8500H 13.1 upmix Auromatic it is quite plausible it will continue to be my favorite upmixer not only for music but now for movies as well.

AFAIK any of the 8500H's amps can be assigned.

So I am curious if the 7.1.6 with 8 total heights shown in the below optimal config for 15ch processing & 13 amped (= the best overall config IMO) with the HC & TS in Auromatic... if one chooses to test the HC as a 2nd center channel for more robust dialog as the sound from the DSU for the HC may be minimum. Good or bad or not possible, your thoughts?

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Question regarding the Audyssey setup. I live alone and sit in one spot. Do I really have to listen to all those extremely loud bloops & bleeps & whoops & whops x 8 x 15 speakers each? I dunno if the 6300H was doing it too loud as I never had a calibration like that b4. But it was LOUD, so loud I had to go into another room. I was afraid of my speakers getting blown honestly.

The setup did stop when it came to my huge old sub of 400 watts by making me turn it down quite a bit b4 the setup would continue.
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I was looking at the Denon USA website for pictures of the back panel https://usa.denon.com/us/product/hom...vers/avrx8500h

The back panel jpg at the top is the AVC, European version.


While the jpg at bottom is the AVR, North American version, we get good old FM


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2. I?ve also confirmed the 11ch limit for DTS:X / Neural:X output. If I deactivate my back surrounds (so 5.1 + FW + 4 Heights) then the DTS flavors do output to FW. No such luck w DSU.



4. Yes this is a huge bummer for 9.1.4 setups as the full 13ch layout will ONLY be used with NATIVE Atmos mixes. Everything else (Auro aside) will be 7.1.4 with silent FW speakers.

5. It seems more likely that DTS will allow 13 outputs with Neural:X at some point than Dolby will allow FW output with DSU.

So, would using my 6200 connected to the 8500 as the hdmi zone2 out, and running the 6200 with dtx neural x to include Back Surrounds and use its internal amps for the Backs, while the 8500 set to dts neural x to run the 11 speakers to include the wides and the 4 top speakers would then utilize all 13 speakers at the same time, correct? ( since it would be the same source both avr receive and both processing neural x )
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5. It seems more likely that DTS will allow 13 outputs with Neural:X at some point than Dolby will allow FW output with DSU.


It is surprising that DTS is limiting us to 11 outputs, but I guess they aren't catering to the handful of us that have more speakers than relatives! Maybe they will hear the lamentations and support 13 outputs at some point..soon.
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I was looking at the Denon USA website for pictures of the back panel https://usa.denon.com/us/product/hom...vers/avrx8500h

Guess their website checker missed that ..

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How so? The European model is the AVC-X8500H (no AM/FM Tuner) while the USA model is the AVR-X8500H (w/AM/FM Tuner).
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So then in continuing to review the X8500H Owner's manual, a couple more points of interest:

1. Although the dual USB ports (front/back) feature continues (as is the case on the predecessor "flagship" models), for the first time, only the front port will work as an "input" for USB audio devices while the rear port is now only a 5v "power source."

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The USB port on the rear panel can only be used to supply power (5 V/1.5 A). It cannot be used to play music files.
2. The remote control can be used to power other devices but requires a "preset" code for the external device. The available preset codes can by found at the link on p. 271 Owner's manual - http://manuals.denon.com/AVRX8500H/p...resetCodes.pdf

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The *OFFICIAL* Denon AVR-X8500H 13.2ch Flagship AVR Thread

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How so? The European model is the AVC-X8500H (no AM/FM Tuner) while the USA model is the AVR-X8500H (w/AM/FM Tuner).


Simply the European model should not be on the pictures for a USA website , I only realized that by closely expanding the image and noticing the model itself, plus 230v. I was looking for the rated amperage, I thought they used to put that on backplates but not seen on this model.
Upon checking further, my 4520CI states 780 Watts, approx 6.5 amps (780w/120v), while my 4308CI states 8.1 amps on the backplate.

The X8500H then is 7.5 amps (900w/120v)

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Simply the European model should not be on the pictures for a USA website ,
Ah ... the image I see on the web page is the USA model's rear panel.
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Ah ... the image I see on the web page is the USA model's rear panel.


The image at top of page is “wrong”


The image at bottom of page is “right”


Not world peace, nor as exciting to discuss as DSU handling front wides either


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[QUOTE=batpig;55586ural:X at some point than Dolby will allow FW output with DSU.

6. For Auro-philes, it may mean (once the firmware is ready) the optimal layout will be 9.1.4 with FH+RH+CH+VOG. Then you can play native Atmos with 9.1.4 and use Auromatic upmixer for 7.1.6 output on non Atmos material. Then you get 13 speaker output 100% of the time, although again FW will only be used w native Atmos.[/QUOTE]

Thanks a lot for the info that wides is a Dolby problem and not a D/M problem.

I presume that your "optimal" layout also applies to middle height speakers in lieu of RH? That location is optimized for Auro and would be prefered by me as I plan to use Auromatic as my preferred upmixer.

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