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Maybe the Onkyo puts out a lot more voltage to the sub out?

Although I've not seen measurements at the sub outs, there is likely merit to that thought as in my experience Onkyo's in general seem to exhibit stronger bass (louder more powerful sounding) than competitive AVRs...Denon for example.

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Hi, anyone knows if any big difference between 620/820? No THX Certification for 620 🙁...
Most of it seems like wattage and THX Certification. I'm sure there are more differences such as power supply to support more channels etc but if all you're looking for is the Onkyo sound and overall build quality, I don't think you can go wrong with the 620. I picked it up from accessories4less and haven't looked back. I will also say that I am using my "base model" 620 to power some Polk LSi15 4ohm front's and an LCiC 4ohm Center Channel (I know most recommend more for these speakers) and I have been impressed with the overall power, dynamics, and quality it puts out so it can deliver the power when needed. Unless you're craving the extra few ear bleeding watts and THX certification, I personally don't see any reason not to check out the 620. This is just my two cents so take it for what you will.

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Hi, anyone knows if any big difference between 620/820? No THX Certification for 620 🙁...
Most of it seems like wattage and THX Certification. I'm sure there are more differences such as power supply to support more channels etc but if all you're looking for is the Onkyo sound and overall build quality, I don't think you can go wrong with the 620. I picked it up from accessories4less and haven't looked back. I will also say that I am using my "base model" 620 to power some Polk LSi15 4ohm front's and an LCiC 4ohm Center Channel (I know most recommend more for these speakers) and I have been impressed with the overall power, dynamics, and quality it puts out so it can deliver the power when needed. Unless you're craving the extra few ear bleeding watts and THX certification, I personally don't see any reason not to check out the 620. This is just my two cents so take it for what you will.
Wow, thank you jimbob for your time!
I will take your recommendation...
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ok , just bit the bullet, onkyo rz820 the price drop did it i guess and the pretty much steller reviews
ordered it today, will be here tomm !

i had been looking at denon and marantz, but the more i read about the 820 the more i liked it
im coming from a decent 2 channel separate amp, pre amp deal , so this is going to be interesting and challenging for sure to integrate all of this

supposedly the onkyo stuff has really good audio, and i will still be listening to music mostly vs movies.
these new avrs have a bypass mode i guess, when i want to listen to good old 2 channel stuff ?
just wanted to share my excitement , and maybe get some input on this unit from folks in the know .


im sure i will be asking a few questions along the way, so thanks in advance !
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I have found an issue that was causing some or all of my problems.

The settings on my SC8000 were all effed up. Don't know how it happened but it was set to EQ1 which I think boosts the low bass and the volume was too high for how the 820 outputs the signal.

I turned off the EQ (none of the 4 sound good at all), lowered the volume, played the first ten minutes of BR2049 and it was awesome. Best by far its ever sounded.

I might rerun AccuEQ down the road but (to my ears) it sounds really, really good as is.

Thanks for everyone who offered suggestions.

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I have found an issue that was causing some or all of my problems.

The settings on my SC8000 were all effed up. Don't know how it happened but it was set to EQ1 which I think boosts the low bass and the volume was too high for how the 820 outputs the signal.

I turned off the EQ (none of the 4 sound good at all), lowered the volume, played the first ten minutes of BR2049 and it was awesome. Best by far its ever sounded.

I might rerun AccuEQ down the road but (to my ears) it sounds really, really good as is.

Thanks for everyone who offered suggestions.

Really liking this AVR.

Glad you were able to resolve the earlier issues you encountered. In my experience over the years, I have always favored Onkyo's overall dynamic sound signature and in particular bass response over others. Also, due to favorable room response, I personally prefer not using any RC systems...so I have AccuEQ off. And lastly, it may be time to reflect the 820 in your signature.

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Rz-720

Hello everyone,
I just had a quick question. Amazon has the RZ-720 on sale today for $449 & I pulled the trigger & bought it. Been eyeing the 820 & the 720 since my TX-NR626 has been flaky & Ive been wanting a new HT AVR w/ digital zone 2. Also the Atmos is a bonus but I wasn't looking as close at those specs so after reading the thread I see that Atmos will only be in 5.2.2. So does that mean that all other speakers are disabled or will Atmos only be on those speakers & then whatever sound processing will be on my 2 surround/back speakers? For instance, can I have Atmos enabled while in multi-channel mode?
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I just had a quick question. Amazon has the RZ-720 on sale today for $449 & I pulled the trigger & bought it. Been eyeing the 820 & the 720 since my TX-NR626 has been flaky & Ive been wanting a new HT AVR w/ digital zone 2. Also the Atmos is a bonus but I wasn't looking as close at those specs so after reading the thread I see that Atmos will only be in 5.2.2. So does that mean that all other speakers are disabled or will Atmos only be on those speakers & then whatever sound processing will be on my 2 surround/back speakers? For instance, can I have Atmos enabled while in multi-channel mode?
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It will process 7 speaker channels at the same time. Up to you how you want to configure it. 5.x.2 or 7.x. Front or rear height, atmos or atmos enabled etc...

What multi-channel mode? Atmos is Atmos. It is only available from a source that is encoded in Atmos. Anything else will be using dolby surround upmixing (DSU), Onkyo just lists it as dolby surround. If it's a non-dolby source, DTS neural X is available as a option.

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Hey @Kini62
Since you’ve had the 820 for a couple weeks now, how do you feel about AccuEQ ? Does it adjust for all speakers ? It seems the old version didn’t adjust the Front Left & Right, just everything else. Does it do a good job with the sub EQ ?
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Since you’ve had the 820 for a couple weeks now, how do you feel about AccuEQ ? Does it adjust for all speakers ? It seems the old version didn’t adjust the Front Left & Right, just everything else. Does it do a good job with the sub EQ ?
It does or can do all the speakers and you have the option to turn it off for just the LR or all speakers. I leave it on for all speakers.

Other than the bass issue, which I found was partly or mostly my fault (one my subs' setting was fubar ) I'm more impressed every time I crank up a BR or youtube bass demo. The clarity is far greater than my old AVR as is the dynamics. I'm sure having in 130 watts/channel is largely responsible for the dynamics, but the increase in clarity, lack of ringing and reflected sound my be do to AccuEQ. Can't say for sure.

I watched a little bit of BR2049 with in Atmos direct (which bypasses AccuEQ) and with AccuEQ engaged. Couldn't say that I could hear a difference during the scene I watched.

All I know is I really like the sound, I have noticeably better bass (less booming, more controlled, more punch) and I can listen at quite a bit higher volume without it becoming harsh. Makes watching at "spirited" levels much more enjoyable.

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Cool. Thanks for the info.
I’m still trying to weigh the differences between Audyssey and AccuEQ. Every little bit of info like this definitely helps.
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I’m still trying to weigh the differences between Audyssey and AccuEQ. Every little bit of info like this definitely helps.
The Audyssey hype is primarily due to great marketing and in particular the predominant number of D+M owners in these threads. Many D+M owners have had only Audyssey experience. The effectiveness of RC systems are highly dependent on a room's acoustic properties and one's personal preferences. Having said this, I've had good results in various rooms utilizing Audyssey, MCACC, YPAO, and AccuEQ. Here are two additional "experienced" opinions relative to the current version of AccuEQ or also known as AccuEQ Advanced.

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Over the past few years, Onkyo and Integra have made the switch from being Audyssey licensees to introducing their own room correction system dubbed AccuEQ. Early implementations of the system were lacking, to say the least, since they applied no EQ to the front speakers or the subwoofer. Newer versions have improved greatly, though, and in its current form AccuEQ is actually pretty good. One thing that sets the system apart is that it runs two rounds of measurements. The first round is used to adjust levels, delays, and crossovers, whereas the second is used to calculate EQ curves. In my experience, unlike earlier implementations of AccuEQ, the newer version of the software actually performs most of its correction on the bass frequencies, for the most part leaving the upper mids and high frequencies alone. It does struggle somewhat to set crossover frequencies properly, though, so be prepared to tweak those manually.

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I just read a review on Crutchfield about the 820. It stated that this unit has extensive EQ adjustability with 3 user presets available. Has anybody here had much experience using this ? How effective is it ?
Do the 620 and 720 also have this capability?
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It will process 7 speaker channels at the same time. Up to you how you want to configure it. 5.x.2 or 7.x. Front or rear height, atmos or atmos enabled etc...

What multi-channel mode? Atmos is Atmos. It is only available from a source that is encoded in Atmos. Anything else will be using dolby surround upmixing (DSU), Onkyo just lists it as dolby surround. If it's a non-dolby source, DTS neural X is available as a option.
Thanks for the info Kini62! The reason I ask is because earlier in this thread someone mentions that if you want TRUE Atmos in 7.1, you need to have a 9.1 receiver. I guess I misunderstood.

So I am coming from TX-NR626 & although I haven't mastered all configurations, I find the best sound is when it is in multi-channel mode and all 7.1 speakers are set. I will prolly sound like a noob here but any time I mess w/ the listening modes, the best sound seems to be when its set to multichannel. Then again, I need to pay closer attention to my input source. Thing is, almost always my wife or friends are over waiting to watch a movie & get annoyed when I start tinkering, so awful about that. lol But I'll definitely be spending some time configuring & setting up my RZ720 before i show it off. Also, I'll be updating my 3D blu ray player. I appreciate the response!
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Thanks for the info Kini62! The reason I ask is because earlier in this thread someone mentions that if you want TRUE Atmos in 7.1, you need to have a 9.1 receiver. I guess I misunderstood.
You're confusing (I think) 7 channel surround with Atmos. Currently the standard Atmos configuration is 5.x.4 with the .4 being 4 Atmos speakers. For that you do need a 9 channel amp.

If you want a 7.x.2 with the .2 being Atmos speakers then you need a 9 channel amp.

With a 7 channel amp you can have 7.x or 5.x.2. So it's either 7 channel surround or 5 channel surround with 2 Atmos speakers.

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I own the 720. It does have 3 presets for manual EQ adjustment. At the $450 to as high as $600 I consider a good to fair value. At the MSRP of $1100 it is over priced. The newer 630/730/830 look interesting and would have been on my radar if available when I was shopping. Now when my 0% interest TV purchase is paid off I may shop for a receiver upgrade but doubt it.

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You're confusing (I think) 7 channel surround with Atmos. Currently the standard Atmos configuration is 5.x.4 with the .4 being 4 Atmos speakers. For that you do need a 9 channel amp.

If you want a 7.x.2 with the .2 being Atmos speakers then you need a 9 channel amp.

With a 7 channel amp you can have 7.x or 5.x.2. So it's either 7 channel surround or 5 channel surround with 2 Atmos speakers.
Yep, I was confused sorry bout that. So I have surround left/right & surround back left/right all in the ceiling. The surround left & right speakers are the only ones that will be atmos capable correct?
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Yep, I was confused sorry bout that. So I have surround left/right & surround back left/right all in the ceiling. The surround left & right speakers are the only ones that will be atmos capable correct?
I guess you could use either pair. But surround speakers in the ceiling and Atmos speakers in the ceiling are not going to work well if at all.

There needs to be a vertical separation of the surrounds and Atmos speakers to get the best overhead effect.

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I guess you could use either pair. But surround speakers in the ceiling and Atmos speakers in the ceiling are not going to work well if at all.

There needs to be a vertical separation of the surrounds and Atmos speakers to get the best overhead effect.
Like I said, haven't done all of my homework on Atmos yet but will here in the next month & will likely have to get a couple of Atmos certified speakers once I decide on how I will need to install them. Thanks a bunch for clarifying & answering my questions!
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Like I said, haven't done all of my homework on Atmos yet but will here in the next month & will likely have to get a couple of Atmos certified speakers once I decide on how I will need to install them. Thanks a bunch for clarifying & answering my questions!
There's no such thing as an Atmos certified speaker. There are Atmos enable speakers that are meant to be placed on top of the front or rear speakers that reflect off the ceiling. Any in ceiling speaker will work as will any speaker you can mount to the ceiling or as front or rear height speakers provide they angle towards the listening position.

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I own the 720. It does have 3 presets for manual EQ adjustment. At the $450 to as high as $600 I consider a good to fair value. At the MSRP of $1100 it is over priced. The newer 630/730/830 look interesting and would have been on my radar if available when I was shopping. Now when my 0% interest TV purchase is paid off I may shop for a receiver upgrade but doubt it.
So the 720 does have the same EQ and AccuEQ as the 820. But, it is missing the preouts. Hmmmm
This is good information. I definitely have to do a little speaker planning before deciding on an AVR 🤔
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Onkyo TX-RZ820 or RZ920

Except for the extra 2 channels are there any major difference between the 2? (sound quality, functions, subs connection, etc.)
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Onkyo TX-RZ820 or RZ920

Except for the extra 2 channels are there any major difference between the 2? (sound quality, functions, subs connection, etc.)
You might want to check out the new 30 series models. I think they all have the 2 extra channels.
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You might want to check out the new 30 series models. I think they all have the 2 extra channels.
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I’m trying to figure out the most cost effective way also. With 9 onboard amp channels, you could power 5 base layer speakers and 4 overhead ( Atmos ) speakers without adding the price for an extra amp. That’s what I’m thinking anyway.
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I’m trying to figure out the most cost effective way also. With 9 onboard amp channels, you could power 5 base layer speakers and 4 overhead ( Atmos ) speakers without adding the price for an extra amp. That’s what I’m thinking anyway.
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Are the 4 other channels all Atmos channels?

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I’m not sure. I’m still trying to sort all of this out myself. But, I would think they would be assignable.
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I’m not sure. I’m still trying to sort all of this out myself. But, I would think they would be assignable.
Um. Not really. Some channels are dedicated. Front, center, surrounds..... Others can be assignable.... Atmos/zone 2 ect. If it only supports 2 Atmos channels then that's all you get

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