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I think he was rounding when he said $450
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Yes, rounding up. I assume the prices will balance out. I got my current 6kDSP for $329 new and was hoping to snag another one around that price, but they're all gone now.
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I think he was rounding when he said $450


Lol I misread that.
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Are we losing 100 watts per channel compared to the last revision of the iNuke DSP 6000?

https://www.avsforum.com/forum/155-d...l#post43213010

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I don't see anything that terribly different. A couple components moved here or there. On the bottom right, there are a couple smaller caps that moved, and the wire ring of whatever on the right has a few more coils on the new? It's easy to download these two pics and then switch between them quickly in picture viewer to get an idea of what changed...

I uploaded 17 pics here - here a few samples. Anything you want me to zoom in on?
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New - date code 1505


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We'll have to wait for someone to dyno the new models.

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http://media.music-group.com/media/P...20Document.pdf

SmartSense Impedance Compensation:
"NX3000's design also incorporates a significantly-higher damping factor that yields better amplifier control over the loudspeaker for stronger audio reproduction - especially in the LF area."

Before:
NU1000 - >155
NU3000 - >160
NU6000 - >140

After:
NX1000 - >155
NX3000 - >145
NX6000 - >140


Floyd Toole says a Dampening Factor on the amplifier over 20 is all that is needed to get where you need to be -- anything above 20 is superfluous because of the many other aspects that affect DF (speaker cable, speaker design, etc)


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IMHO...
Not taking a shot just stating the facts..
Did U happen to see the other thread about iNuke reliability on this forum..

https://www.avsforum.com/forum/90-re...e-6000dsp.html

Nuff said.. Lites out..

Just my $0.02..
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You make several posts in this thread crapping on Behringer reliability. When someone asked you for references, you post the above thread with the impression there is all kinds of failures, and he should just check out that thread for examples....

There is just one solo guy in that thread complaining about his failed iNuke. Nobody else collaborating -- there are no, #me toos. I don't hang around this forum as much as I used to for sure, but be fair.... In contrast -- constantly guys are telling people to buy clone amps from Sanway and the like. I don't know one single person who has purchased a clone amp, who hasn't had them fail, not one person... That includes some big names on these forums. @Gorilla83, @popalock, @lukeamdman, @HuskerOmaha, @d_c, etc...


In contrast I hadn't heard of one single person (save that one guy you've now linked above) who has had an iNuke fail... Even if he isn't alone - the numbers are staggeringly small.


I know dozens of people who've purchased iNuke's, many of these people a pair. Literally, dozens of people.
I've personally purchased
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6 - 6000 DSP
I've driven them for all their worth on JTR Captivators, and now 8 Sealed UM18-22. Driven them to the point of power cycling --- and I've not had a problem with any of them, nor has anyone I've known.


If there was some sort of tremendous problem with reliability on the iNukes for home theater use - this forum would be littered with stories (especially since so many people were fan modding the original revision units). The likelihood is the iNuke's are probably the most popular home theater subwoofer amplifier by install bass that has ever been --- at least since the previous crowd favorite - the Behringer EP4000.


Your personal distaste for Behringer, and your pollination in many of these home theater AVSforum threads of their reliability issues is undeserved, and definitely not rooted in reality.

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Get'em Jon...

Honestly, if the iNuke's published spec wasn't grossly overinflated and it was named properly (i.e. - NU2400 vs NU6000) it would probably shut down 98% of the haters.

I've come around to accepting that it's a great amp for the money. Having worked extensively with Behringer's DSP on their mixers, I'm a big fan. Sure, it should be a little better, but not much to complain about.
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@M Code,


You make several posts in this thread crapping on Behringer reliability. When someone asked you for references, you post the above thread with the impression there is all kinds of failures, and he should just check out that thread for examples....

There is just one solo guy in that thread complaining about his failed iNuke. Nobody else collaborating -- there are no, #me toos. I don't hang around this forum as much as I used to for sure, but be fair.... In contrast -- constantly guys are telling people to buy clone amps from Sanway and the like. I don't know one single person who has purchased a clone amp, who hasn't had them fail, not one person... That includes some big names on these forums. @Gorilla83, @popalock, @lukeamdman, @HuskerOmaha, @d_c, etc...


In contrast I hadn't heard of one single person (save that one guy you've now linked above) who has had an iNuke fail... Even if he isn't alone - the numbers are staggeringly small.


I know dozens of people who've purchased iNuke's, many of these people a pair. Literally, dozens of people.
I've personally purchased
4 - 3000 DSP
6 - 6000 DSP
I've driven them for all their worth on JTR Captivators, and now 8 Sealed UM18-22. Driven them to the point of power cycling --- and I've not had a problem with any of them, nor has anyone I've known.


If there was some sort of tremendous problem with reliability on the iNukes for home theater use - this forum would be littered with stories (especially since so many people were fan modding the original revision units). The likelihood is the iNuke's are probably the most popular home theater subwoofer amplifier by install bass that has ever been --- at least since the previous crowd favorite - the Behringer EP4000.


Your personal distaste for Behringer, and your pollination in many of these home theater AVSforum threads of their reliability issues is undeserved, and definitely not rooted in reality.
If the Behringer products work for U in a consumer application thats awesome..
But in the pro-audio world being a seller/installer, my experience with Behringer products has been a disaster...
Besides their inflated BS specs, Do U really believe the 6000 puts out 3000W x 2 for $399.. Do U have any certified lab tests that confirm their claimed specs...
Just maybe, the 6000 can put out 3000W x 2 for a nano-second..

My experience with Behringer products are that they use inexpensive components, built for a mass-market price point and are not reliable when driven hard for continuous, high power output. For a home, man cave they may suffice but in the real pro-audio world when performance and reliability are pertinent they fall short. Over the last few years, we have replaced defective Behringer products in multiple pro-audio commercial systems. 2 months ago we redesigned a pro-audio system for a well-known, club in downtown LA around the corner from Staples Center. That original system used multiple, Behringer amplifiers but had many failures so the club-owner said design him a system that will stay pounding... Note that our later, newly designed system did cost 4X more than the original, but in commercial pro-audio installs when/if it goes down they lose their credibility quickly but thats why Peavey, Crown and QSC products get the higher $.
Though the Behringer products may meet your consumer system requirements, they don't meet mine...

Just my $0.02...
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@Archaea I have read more than a couple posts of posts on this board about people getting the "red rings of death" on their Inukes. I had my 3000dsp "red ring" so I googled it and it is not that uncommon. I'll still buy another one because they are so cheap but I do know they had some issues and Behringer knew about it.

"We have since investigated the problem and found the root cause to be a defective diode in the power supply. We received a defective batch of MBRS1100 Schottky diodes made by International Rectifier (IR) which is one of the largest, US-listed semicon companies.

This particular diode was used in the first amp deliveries and we have since reworked all inventory to make sure new shipments are perfectly fine. We will certainly rework all products in the field to make sure you have a great customer experience."

https://forum.musictribe.com/showthr...U6000-problem&

That post was from 2014 so supposedly they fixed it but it still seems to happen and the amp I bought new had a build date of 2016.

Anyway, I am holding out for the NX6000d to replace the 3000dsp that died. From what I can see online it looks like they won't be out until the end of Sept to early Dec according to the pre-orders online.

Oh yeah, and anyone buys from Behringer should register it within 90 days or your warranty is only 1 year vs 3 years if you register. Mine "red ringed" at one year and two weeks or something like that and nope I didn't register.

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There were a bad batch of nu6ks that really hurt their reliability perception. They warrantied them, though. I haven't had any trouble with the inukes I've owned, and one is in my shop which is not even close to ideal conditions. The other is undercooled and sitll run strong.
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Looks like the Nx1000d and NX3000d are in stock finally. https://www.sweetwater.com/store/det...ifier-with-dsp

I don't know how accurate it is as other stores show the end of Sept for shipping dates.

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Northern Sound and Light also shows them as shipping within 2 business days. With pricing significantly better than Sweetwater. Just create an account to see their best prices. They make you swear an oath not to reveal prices so I can't list them here. https://northernsoundandlight.com/Br...PA_Amplifiers/
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Northern Sound is where I bought my Inuke 3000 and 6000 but shipping added a good chunk, I think it was another $50+.

VIP Pro Audio has some of the best prices I have seen with their make an offer. They have a make offer button on their site and eBay store and when I have made offers @ 15% less the usually accept and that will put them less than NS&L but I know some people don't want to mess with the make an offer.

VIP also has B&C subs that can also be had for $50-80 less per driver than anywhere else I have found if you do the make an offer of 15% off and they accept. That is how I bought my B&C 18" and saved $50-60 over Parts Express price. http://www.vipproaudio.com/

There are also other sellers on eBay that accept offers and you can get the same or similar deals. I would look for ones that are authorized sellers/dealers in case there is a warranty issue.
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I just ordered the NX6000D from Sweetwater and they called me and said it won't be shipping until December to mid December. JTLYK

I really enjoy shopping with Sweetwater they always call afterwards for any further inquiries/follow up and its my home town so theres that too.
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Northern Sound is where I bought my Inuke 3000 and 6000 but shipping added a good chunk, I think it was another $50+.

VIP Pro Audio has some of the best prices I have seen with their make an offer. They have a make offer button on their site and eBay store and when I have made offers @ 15% less the usually accept and that will put them less than NS&L but I know some people don't want to mess with the make an offer.

VIP also has B&C subs that can also be had for $50-80 less per driver than anywhere else I have found if you do the make an offer of 15% off and they accept. That is how I bought my B&C 18" and saved $50-60 over Parts Express price. http://www.vipproaudio.com/

There are also other sellers on eBay that accept offers and you can get the same or similar deals. I would look for ones that are authorized sellers/dealers in case there is a warranty issue.
Ebay has had some great site-wide percent off coupons recently. They usually only last a day so you have to watch for them but I recently bought some things for 15% off up to $100 savings. The only problem with trying to combine that with a best offer is the time deadline and whether the seller will respond in time. Northern Sound also occasionally has coupons that give an extra 10% off.
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This should deliver at least 2x2000W RMS at 4 ohm, which is still unmatched at this price. That is unfortunate that it won't ship until December

Is there _any_ other amp out there that does at least 2x2000W RMS at 4 ohm, under 600?
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How do these new amps compare to QSC DCA amps for HT use considering that these are half the price?

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This should deliver at least 2x2000W RMS at 4 ohm, which is still unmatched at this price. That is unfortunate that it won't ship until December

Is there _any_ other amp out there that does at least 2x2000W RMS at 4 ohm, under 600?
Small edit... they do more like 2x~600ish watts at 4 ohm... Not can chime in though with better numbers but that’s what I remember from testing in another forum....
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Parts Express seems to have 3 of the 3000DSP's in stock.

https://www.parts-express.com/behrin...-dsp--248-7013

I really like the new facelift look. I painted my existing 3000DSP black.





This will save me the trouble when I eventually build some new subs.

I would really like to see a 3 channel DSP version of this so I can use the DSP in my active mains setup and retire my miniDSP since it hisses like mad. I suppose I would need to buy 3 amps to power two of my mains.
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This should deliver at least 2x2000W RMS at 4 ohm, which is still unmatched at this price. That is unfortunate that it won't ship until December [IMG class=inlineimg]/forum/images/smilies/frown.gif[/IMG]

Is there _any_ other amp out there that does at least 2x2000W RMS at 4 ohm, under 600?
Small edit... they do more like 2x~600ish watts at 4 ohm... Not can chime in though with better numbers but that’s what I remember from testing in another forum....
https://youtu.be/73Z2fNcGGDI

Check out the 6000 amp Dyno on YouTube. The older NU does over 2*2000w rms at 4ohm.

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I ordered a NX3000D over the weekend. Should be here within 2-3 days.
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Check out the 6000 amp Dyno on YouTube. The older NU does over 2*2000w rms at 4ohm.
I was definitely wrong with the 600 Watts.... confusing the models and ratings... don’t know that I’d count on 2k * 2 for subwoofer duty either based on @notnyt testing numbers though...

That said, at 1kHz and 1.0% THD, it does look like it does over 2*2k. Pretty impressive price of testing kit in that video... thx for the link
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Check out the 6000 amp Dyno on YouTube. The older NU does over 2*2000w rms at 4ohm.
The NU6K will only output about 2500w total. At 40hz, it can do a cea-2010 burst to about 3kw.
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Northern Sound and Light also shows them as shipping within 2 business days. With pricing significantly better than Sweetwater. Just create an account to see their best prices. They make you swear an oath not to reveal prices so I can't list them here. https://northernsoundandlight.com/Br...PA_Amplifiers/

did you order from them did they ship the item
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did you order from them did they ship the item
I don't need any more amps right now, but I have ordered from them several times over the last several years and always received the items.
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