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Glad you were able to sort it out before unnecessarily shipping your receiver back and getting the equivalent of a "user error" response from Denon.
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Manufacturers decide through scripted troubleshooting on the phone whether products are sent back for warranty repair not customers. No one here wants anyone coming to these threads for help to unnecessarily send their receiver in for repair. I'm only happy when posters get their issues addressed on their own. Not when Denon gets a service fee. Now back to our regularly scheduled programming.
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Interesting new problem since the latest firmware. On both my x4500 and my Marantz 8012 (both with recently updated firmware) I have a hit or miss situation on getting the volume overlay on my TVs on power up from standby. Both receivers should have pretty similar video chains and probaably run very similar firmware in that regard (as they were both updated at the same time when D&M released the latest for both). If I power cycle the AVR only (leave the TV and source device on) in this sutuation the volume overlay returns. Just wondering if anyone else has seen this behavior?

As a side note, this is with SDR material so no Dolby Vision involved which I know will not give a volume overlay.

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Interesting new problem since the latest firmware. On both my x4500 and my Marantz 8012 (both with recently updated firmware) I have a hit or miss situation on getting the volume overlay on my TVs on power up from standby. Both receivers should have pretty similar video chains and probaably run very similar firmware in that regard (as they were both updated at the same time when D&M released the latest for both). If I power cycle the AVR only (leave the TV and source device on) in this sutuation the volume overlay returns. Just wondering if anyone else has seen this behavior?



As a side note, this is with SDR material so no Dolby Vision involved which I know will not give a volume overlay.
I've actually had this same thing happen on my 2016 Denon X4300. I think it happened 2 or 3 times and a soft reset fixed it every time. Hasn't happened in a month or so though. Very strange.

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Hi all, I finally pulled the trigger on a x3500. I was wondering if anyone hand any experience using this (or other Audessey XT32 Denon units) with Def Tech BP series speakers. With my current pioneer AVR, I have the powered woofers in the Def Techs connected via LFE using a splitter (the other LFE port is connected to my sub). Does anyone anyone have any advice on how I should approach this using the Denon and Audessey? Any other tips/tricks you may have using the Def Techs with the Denon would be most appreciated. Thanks!
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Is there a way to get Zone 1 auxiliary out (no volume control) from Denon AVR-X3500? I have been trying to find a way to do that but could not figure it out. I was thinking of using it to feed another amplifier with several speakers. I guess I can use the HDMI out and extract audio from it. But just hoping to have an easier solution.

Is there a way to be able to do that?


Edit:. Just remembered. The HDMI out may not work as my HDMI audio extractor is for 1080p and using that will probably force all HDMI outs to be 1080 and not 4k.

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Another quick question:

What is the best way to connect a Bluetooth headset to Denon AVR-X3500? It does not seem to have a built in Bluetooth transmitter.

So I am planning to use my current Bluetooth transmitter. What output port should this transmitter be connected to?

Thanks in advance.
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Hi all, I finally pulled the trigger on a x3500. I was wondering if anyone hand any experience using this (or other Audessey XT32 Denon units) with Def Tech BP series speakers. With my current pioneer AVR, I have the powered woofers in the Def Techs connected via LFE using a splitter (the other LFE port is connected to my sub). Does anyone anyone have any advice on how I should approach this using the Denon and Audessey? Any other tips/tricks you may have using the Def Techs with the Denon would be most appreciated. Thanks!

Congratulations. Nice combo.


Consider the possibility that with good room equalization you might no longer need the separate sub in addition to the DP speakers.


So, try both solutions. What you are currently doing now (split one sub out between the DP woofers) and the other sub out to the separate sub. But also try skipping the sub and just use the two ports to connect to each of the DP woofers without requiring a splitter. The latter after room normalization may sound better (especially if the room acoustics for the two DP woofers vary too much and present a challenge to the room equalization when a single port is split between two). Let your ears decide which one your prefer.



With bipolar speakers that are very position sensitive and the separate sub, you are juggling too many variables to arrive at an optimal solution.



Sometimes simpler is better. If you find the bass with just the DP series alone insufficient, then skip feeding the sub out into them, let its internal crossover treat it like a large speaker and let Audyssey balance between your separate sub and the DP series as main speakers (small/large as it sees fit).



As to the use of Audyssey with DP series speakers, it has the same caveats as using it with any bipolar distribution speaker systems. If you place those speakers sub-optimally for spectrum response and depend on Audyssey to make it better, it might be like putting lipstick on a pig. Moreover, the crossover decisions in those two can sometimes negatively impact each other.


So, typically if listening to music is also important than just thunderous movie sounds and dialog, this takes a very careful iterative process where you first place the speakers and try them on without room equalization to get the best possible sound (with ears as people did for decades!) and then doing the room equalization. Mark the position of the speakers at this point and repeat the room equalization at several different position of the speakers moving them towards or away from the back wall (as logistics permit) in 1-2 inch increments (moving sideways isn't that critical unless one of the speakers is very close to the side wall).


Listen for a while between each of the positions and pick one that sounds best to you for different types of content.
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Is there a simple (and free!) video clip I can use to set audio delay? Right now I'm just using random scenes and the results are about as good as you can imagine

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Is there a simple (and free!) video clip I can use to set audio delay? Right now I'm just using random scenes and the results are about as good as you can imagine
Here's one
. If you hear the blip before or after seeing the yellow flash you have a problem.

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Hi all, I finally pulled the trigger on a x3500. I was wondering if anyone hand any experience using this (or other Audessey XT32 Denon units) with Def Tech BP series speakers. With my current pioneer AVR, I have the powered woofers in the Def Techs connected via LFE using a splitter (the other LFE port is connected to my sub). Does anyone anyone have any advice on how I should approach this using the Denon and Audessey? Any other tips/tricks you may have using the Def Techs with the Denon would be most appreciated. Thanks!
Subs located in speakers may not provide as a good of a bass reproduction due to their positioning. Suggest you run the BP speakers as SMALL/60Hz or 80Hz and let your sub handle the lower frequencies which it is likely far more capable of doing the job.
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Is there a way to get Zone 1 auxiliary out (no volume control) from Denon AVR-X3500? I have been trying to find a way to do that but could not figure it out. I was thinking of using it to feed another amplifier with several speakers. I guess I can use the HDMI out and extract audio from it. But just hoping to have an easier solution.

Is there a way to be able to do that?


Edit:. Just remembered. The HDMI out may not work as my HDMI audio extractor is for 1080p and using that will probably force all HDMI outs to be 1080 and not 4k.
The only main zone audio out would be the 7CH pre-outs.

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Another quick question:

What is the best way to connect a Bluetooth headset to Denon AVR-X3500? It does not seem to have a built in Bluetooth transmitter.

So I am planning to use my current Bluetooth transmitter. What output port should this transmitter be connected to?

Thanks in advance.
Correct. 2018 and older Denon AVRs do not feature audio out to Bluetooth headphones, however, this will be a new feature on the 2019 models.

Depending on your use case, you can connect the Bluetooth transmitter to the Zone 2 pre-outs and select "ALL ZONE STEREO" when you want to use them which would then of course down mix the main zone audio as well. Otherwise, connect them to the source.
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The only main zone audio out would be the 7CH pre-outs.







Correct. 2018 and older Denon AVRs do not feature audio out to Bluetooth headphones, however, this will be a new feature on the 2019 models.



Depending on your use case, you can connect the Bluetooth transmitter to the Zone 2 pre-outs and select "ALL ZONE STEREO" when you want to use them which would then of course down mix the main zone audio as well. Otherwise, connect them to the source.
Wow. I am surprised. This has less functionality that my 15 year old Yamaha. (Except Audyssey XT32)

May be I will connect Zone 2 to my Yamaha and use that to power other speakers and the Bluetooth transmitter.
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Is there a simple (and free!) video clip I can use to set audio delay? Right now I'm just using random scenes and the results are about as good as you can imagine
I like this one:
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Hey guys ,getting either the x3500 or x4500 running as preamp and wondering if I just run either in 7.2 configuration is the x4500 that much better because of the dacs ? And 32 bit from what I read online ?
Also is the preout voltage 1.2 v ?

I currently have and adore onkyo 818 with burr brown dacs and xt32 audessey
Purchased an onkyo 830 but it happy with music at all as it sounds digital maybe the pioneer the influence ..quickly boxed up and putting old faithful 818 .it has depth smooth natural especially with dyn eq to on and EQ set to light for that silky full bass and that sound is what I m after.
Hopefully maybe the x4500 or 3500 can mimic that sound ?
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Hey guys ,getting either the x3500 or x4500 running as preamp and wondering if I just run either in 7.2 configuration is the x4500 that much better because of the dacs ? And 32 bit from what I read online ?
Also is the preout voltage 1.2 v ?

I currently have and adore onkyo 818 with burr brown dacs and xt32 audessey
Purchased an onkyo 830 but it happy with music at all as it sounds digital maybe the pioneer the influence ..quickly boxed up and putting old faithful 818 .it has depth smooth natural especially with dyn eq to on and EQ set to light for that silky full bass and that sound is what I m after.
Hopefully maybe the x4500 or 3500 can mimic that sound ?
Thank you in advance (JD)
All of the models in this thread (except the BT model) use the same DAC.

If you never plan on expanding beyond a 7.2 configuration or desire any of the additional features provided by the X4500H, the X3500H will serve you well.
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Here's one https://youtu.be/s_PbyRpKrRk. If you hear the blip before or after seeing the yellow flash you have a problem.
Perfect, thanks!

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Perfect, thanks!
No problem. Hope it works out. I hate lip sync issues.
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All of the models in this thread (except the BT model) use the same DAC.



If you never plan on expanding beyond a 7.2 configuration or desire any of the additional features provided by the X4500H, the X3500H will serve you well.
There may be other reasons to buy 4500 as I sadly found out.

There are no auxiliary out ports in the x-3500. So unless you want to use zone 2 (thus not being able to use 7.2 configuration) to power any other amplifiers, Bluetooth transmitters, audio recorders , or powered speakers, better opt for 4500.

It's unfortunate as providing an auxiliary out (without volume control) for zone 1 may not have been that expensive.
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There may be other reasons to buy 4500 as I sadly found out.

There are no auxiliary out ports in the x-3500. So unless you want to use zone 2 (thus not being able to use 7.2 configuration) to power any other amplifiers, Bluetooth transmitters, audio recorders , or powered speakers, better opt for 4500.

It's unfortunate as providing an auxiliary out (without volume control) for zone 1 may not have been that expensive.
Analog outputs on Denon AVRs were dropped about 5 years ago to include none on the X4500H as well.
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Analog outputs on Denon AVRs were dropped about 5 years ago to include none on the X4500H as well.
Yes. So maybe the OP can use Zone 3 in X-4500 as an analog output and still use 7.2 for his HT use.

By the way, do any of these AVRs have digital audio outs (other than HDMI) that can be used for external amplifiers, Bluetooth transmitters, audio recorders, or powered speakers? Are there HEOS adapters available that can create an audio out (analog or digital) for such applications?

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Yes. So maybe the OP can use Zone 3 in X-4500 as an analog output and still use 7.2 for his HT use.

By the way, do any of these AVRs have digital audio outs (other than HDMI) that can be used for external amplifiers, Bluetooth transmitters, audio recorders, or powered speakers? Are there HEOS adapters available that can create an audio out (analog or digital) for such applications?
No.
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Hey guys ,getting either the x3500 or x4500 running as preamp and wondering if I just run either in 7.2 configuration is the x4500 that much better because of the dacs ? And 32 bit from what I read online ?
Also is the preout voltage 1.2 v ?
I currently have and adore onkyo 818 with burr brown dacs and xt32 audessey
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Hopefully maybe the x4500 or 3500 can mimic that sound ?
Thank you in advance (JD)
All of the models in this thread (except the BT model) use the same DAC.

If you never plan on expanding beyond a 7.2 configuration or desire any of the additional features provided by the X4500H, the X3500H will serve you well.


So x3500 will just be like x4500h for sound wise in music? As music is really what is most important to me JD
Also is the preout voltage 1 v or more ?
The x3500 scares me being like 23 lbs
And x4500 is of course more attractive looking

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So x3500 will just be like x4500h for sound wise in music? As music is really what is most important to me JD
Also is the preout voltage 1 v or more ?
The x3500 scares me being like 23 lbs
And x4500 is of course more attractive looking
If music is most important, the Marantz SR6013 or SR7013 would be better choices as they use the unique HDAM modules.
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So x3500 will just be like x4500h for sound wise in music? As music is really what is most important to me JD
Also is the preout voltage 1 v or more ?
The x3500 scares me being like 23 lbs
And x4500 is of course more attractive looking
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[I]One thing I really love about Denon receivers is they NEVER skimp on their preamp out circuits. Like past models, the AVR-X3300W had an ample amount of drive.  I measured a whopping 4.5Vrms unclipped output, which is more than double the voltage needed to make virtually any amplifier reach full rated power./i]

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Ok. Thanks.

Based on your experience, if I use this audio extractor on zone 1 or zone 2 HDMI, would this allow me to extract audio (when needed) without hurting my 4k signal to my TV?

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So x3500 will just be like x4500h for sound wise in music? As music is really what is most important to me JD

For music these are the benefits IMHO of the 4500:

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I just bought an Apple TV 4k and I have a Samsung Q8FN and a Denon X4500H. I use the ARC function for sound and display. Should I connect the ATV to the TV and use ARC or should I connect it directly to the Denon? What are the advantages or disadvantages of each?

If I have a L - C - R & sub setup, will Atmos play or do I need a 5.1 setup?

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Help with Denon X3500H setup

Hey guys heres my set-up

AVR- Denon X3500H
Front- Klipsch RF-600
Center- Klipsch RC-500
Rear- Klipsch KHO-7
Sub- Klipsch R-10SW

I just got the Denon X3500H to replace my Pioneer VSX-822... In theory the Denon should crush my old Pioneer but even after running room calibration the sound feels off to me...

Im newer to the "Home Theatre" game so Im wondering if you guys know any calibration tips or things I may have missed to improve my sound... I bet i'm not giving enough details but Im just not sure what to say or how to describe it... I just know its sounds off..

Are there settings i'm missing? did I do something wrong with my set up...

Everything works fine, i'm just not big on how it sounds and I wanna make sure I set it up and calibrate it properly before I decide to pack it up, take it back to the store and put my old Pioneer back in hahah... I mean this Denon should destroy my Pioneer right?

If you have any questions you need answered to help me I will do my best to answer them... Thanks for all your help guys and girls.. I cant wait to learn more and more about this stuff....
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I am working on a buddy's basement and eyeing up the X4500 as the receiver. Here is what the setup will be - I'm looking to confirm my desired plan will work.

Setup
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- Main area will be a projector with a 7.2.4 setup
- Second area will have 1 TV
- Second area will also have 4 - 6 ceiling speakers (on the same zone)
- Third area will have an additional bar TV


Desired actions and questions on that
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- Knowing I will need an extra amp, the main area will be 7.2.4 (maybe only 7.2.2 pending final design).
- With the main area using all amps and all speaker connections, I can still use Zone 2 audio out and another external amp to power the 4 - 6 ceiling speakers in the second area? And these can run concurrently with the main zone with a separate audio source?
- Zone 2 audio can also be controlled via the HEOS interface, correct?
- I would be able to play a separate video source to the second area TV while watching a different source on the main zone, correct?
- If watching one source in the main zone, watching another source on the second TV, would I be able to choose to listen to the second video source or a separate music source (HEOS controlled) for the Zone 2 speakers at the same time?
- Can the 3rd HDMI output send a 3rd separate source, or can there only be 2 video sources output and the 2 of the HDMI outs are the same?

Thanks in advance!
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I am working on a buddy's basement and eyeing up the X4500 as the receiver. Here is what the setup will be - I'm looking to confirm my desired plan will work.

Setup
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- Main area will be a projector with a 7.2.4 setup
- Second area will have 1 TV
- Second area will also have 4 - 6 ceiling speakers (on the same zone)
- Third area will have an additional bar TV


Desired actions and questions on that
--------------------------------------------
- Knowing I will need an extra amp, the main area will be 7.2.4 (maybe only 7.2.2 pending final design).
- With the main area using all amps and all speaker connections, I can still use Zone 2 audio out and another external amp to power the 4 - 6 ceiling speakers in the second area? And these can run concurrently with the main zone with a separate audio source?
- Zone 2 audio can also be controlled via the HEOS interface, correct?
- I would be able to play a separate video source to the second area TV while watching a different source on the main zone, correct?
- If watching one source in the main zone, watching another source on the second TV, would I be able to choose to listen to the second video source or a separate music source (HEOS controlled) for the Zone 2 speakers at the same time?
- Can the 3rd HDMI output send a 3rd separate source, or can there only be 2 video sources output and the 2 of the HDMI outs are the same?

Thanks in advance!
1. Yes, you will need a 2CH amp (or old AVR) to expand the X4500h from 7.2.2 to 7.2.4.
2. Yes to both questions, although as Zone 2 is only 2CH, you'll need a multi zone speaker selector to expand the 2CH out to 4-6 speakers.
3. Yes.
4. Yes, a separate "HDMI" video source if the Zone 2 HDMI monitor output is used
5. No, there is only one Zone 2; however, you could set up a separate HEOS 1/3/5/7 speaker and stream independently to it using the HEOS app.
6. No. The 2nd main zone monitor output simply mirrors the first one (eg. when a TV and PJ are in the same room).
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