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BUT, for MOST, good idea. If my Denon ever shuts itself during a lightning storm, I’ll reconsider going down that road again. Unless, there is a potential of “in air electrical”, charges it’s hard to imagine in my situation the lighting could get into the power company grid, I have no antenna connections. But one never knows. A UPS is “potential” insurance in many cases. Do ones homework and then decide. A good one with ample power specs can be around $100 or more depending on how many watts you want to protect. If my setup was up in the “country”, crappy power grid, external power lines, etc., I wouldn’t run any electronics without a UPS. I have a decent surge protector, hopefully good enough for my big city apartment, time will tell.

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Any way to disable this stupid mute logo on the Denon receivers? This has burn in written all over it for oled owners.
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Owned a bunch of UPS units, in front of lots of computers, ended up never needed them here, got tired of replacing overpriced batteries. Tossed all of them.

BUT, for MOST, good idea. If my Denon ever shuts itself during a lightning storm, I’ll reconsider going down that road again. Unless, there is a potential of “in air electrical”, charges it’s hard to imagine in my situation the lighting could get into the power company grid, I have no antenna connections. But one never knows. A UPS is “potential” insurance in many cases. Do ones homework and then decide. A good one with ample power specs can be around $100 or more depending on how many watts you want to protect. If my setup was up in the “country”, crappy power grid, external power lines, etc., I wouldn’t run any electronics without a UPS. I have a decent surge protector, hopefully good enough for my big city apartment, time will tell.

I'm in the "big city" (such as it is) and I have all of my essential electronics (computers and A/V gear) protected by six UPS's. I like the Cyberpower brand, but I also make sure to buy units for which there are non-OEM replacement batteries available at a reasonable price (less than $30, i.e. about $10 per year apiece). It's an affordable safeguard for expensive equipment against most non-catastrophic occurrences and, beyond that consideration, it allows for continuous operation during short outages (particularly nice for DVR recordings).

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Any way to disable this stupid mute logo on the Denon receivers? This has burn in written all over it for oled owners.
Not that I'm aware of and that bothers me as well so I just lower my volume to - - rather than use mute.

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Just ordered a refurb S740H to replace my dead Yamaha RX-V471. Looking forward to setting it up this weekend. It'll be driving two Dayton MK402X fronts and Chane A2.4 center, alongside a PA120 sub.
Congrats. I'd start by reading up on the Audyssey faqs 101 thread. Lots of helpful setup tips for both before room EQ and afterwards.

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I’m also having trouble with dynamic volume? When it’s set to off, I’m getting very very low volume. Light is by far the loudest. Is this normal?
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I’m also having trouble with dynamic volume? When it’s set to off, I’m getting very very low volume. Light is by far the loudest. Is this normal?
Low volume at what level setting? Denon uses a logarithmic gain structure so initial volume increases are more incremental then as you increase the volume you'll notice quicker increases in perceived listening levels. No, that's not right with Dynamic Volume. Light should have the least effect and High should have the most. I use Medium personally.

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Low volume at what level setting? Denon uses a logarithmic gain structure so initial volume increases are more incremental then as you increase the volume you'll notice quicker increases in perceived listening levels. No, that's not right with Dynamic Volume. Light should have the least effect and High should have the most. I use Medium personally.


Light does have the least effect and high has the most effect but when dynamic volume is turned off, there hardly any sound coming out of the speakers.
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Light does have the least effect and high has the most effect but when dynamic volume is turned off, there hardly any sound coming out of the speakers.
Got it but at what listening level? The Absolute scale is the default range and it runs from 0 to 89. 80 is Reference level so if you're listening at say 50 that's 30dB below that and might not sound very loud depending on your seating distance from your speakers. Check your on screen level and see where it is between that range and list it in your next post.
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I've been trying to find an image of what the Denon volume display on a TV screen looks like. The only thing I was able to find is the photos in this older thread that pertains to AVR-3310CI/990, so obviously ancient history.

What does it look like on these newer S and X series receivers?

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Hi Everyone-

I currently own a X4500H receiver. I would like to transmit audio to bluetooth wireless headphones from my AVR receiver whenever I want to listen through the headphones. I know that Denon AVRs only receive a bluetooth signal and don't transmit to headphones themselves. Therefore, If I were to buy a bluetooth transmitter, what would be the recommended way to connect it to the AVR in order to maximize sound quality and convenience?

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Hi Everyone-

I currently own a X4500H receiver. I would like to transmit audio to bluetooth wireless headphones from my AVR receiver whenever I want to listen through the headphones. I know that Denon AVRs only receive a bluetooth signal and don't transmit to headphones themselves. Therefore, If I were to buy a bluetooth transmitter, what would be the recommended way to connect it to the AVR in order to maximize sound quality and convenience?
Zone 2 pre-outs is your only option if you want to pass HDMI audio otherwise, if not, the Zone 3 pre-outs can be used.
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I've been trying to find an image of what the Denon volume display on a TV screen looks like. The only thing I was able to find is the photos in this older thread that pertains to AVR-3310CI/990, so obviously ancient history.

What does it look like on these newer S and X series receivers?

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i've been trying to find an image of what the denon volume display on a tv screen looks like. The only thing i was able to find is the photos in this older thread that pertains to avr-3310ci/990, so obviously ancient history.

What does it look like on these newer s and x series receivers?
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Got it but at what listening level? The Absolute scale is the default range and it runs from 0 to 89. 80 is Reference level so if you're listening at say 50 that's 30dB below that and might not sound very loud depending on your seating distance from your speakers. Check your on screen level and see where it is between that range and list it in your next post.


When I’m watching tv and dynamic volume is turned off, I need to turn it to 50-60 out of 100 to hear any kind of sound. When playing music I can hear sound even at 10-20.


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When I’m watching tv and dynamic volume is turned off, I need to turn it to 50-60 out of 100 to hear any kind of sound. When playing music I can hear sound even at 10-20.
Is your TV connected by an HDMI or OPTICAL cable?

I’m connected via optical, and I have to raise my volume a lot for OTA TV. All my other sources are HDMI, average about -20db, for TV, I’m at -8db.

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Is your TV connected by an HDMI or OPTICAL cable?



I’m connected via optical, and I have to raise my volume a lot for OTA TV. All my other sources are HDMI, average about -20db, for TV, I’m at -8db.


Hdmi but what is very strange is that’s when I’m playing music, dynamic volume off and light have similar volume but when playing from the tv, the dynamic volume when turned to off is extremely mute.


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Hdmi but what is very strange is that’s when I’m playing music, dynamic volume off and light have similar volume but when playing from the tv, the dynamic volume when turned to off is extremely mute.


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I have very uneven results when at late night I try Dynamic Volume. That’s the only time I’ve tried using it, otherwise it’s always off.

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I have very uneven results when at late night I try Dynamic Volume. That’s the only time I’ve tried using it, otherwise it’s always off.


Something is definitely not right on mine. I shouldn’t have to crank it to 70-80 for normal listening. It’s been a frustrating experience so far as I’ve had much better sound from my previous Sony receiver.
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When I’m watching tv and dynamic volume is turned off, I need to turn it to 50-60 out of 100 to hear any kind of sound. When playing music I can hear sound even at 10-20.


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Ok. Well first off the Absolute scale goes to 98 not 100 but that's still a too high listening level for anyone listening above 80dB. Those ranges you list are normal listening levels based on others feedback in the past here. They'll get louder faster as you raise the volume but best to stay at or under 80 if possible. As far as just hearing music sources at 10 or 20 doesn't tell me much. I can hear music a bit as background at 20 but almost not at all at 10. Just hearing it isn't the comparator. At what levels with similar settings do both sound exactly the same? If that's a bit lower for music over movies then it's probably source and content dependent. How large is your space in cubic feet and how far away are you sitting from the main speakers? Also what make and model of speakers do you have in your front soundstage?

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Ok. Well first off the Absolute scale goes to 89 not 100 but that's still a too high listening level for anyone listening above 80dB. Those ranges you list are normal listening levels based on others feedback in the past here. They'll get louder faster as you raise the volume but best to stay at or under 80 if possible. As far as just hearing music sources at 10 or 20 doesn't tell me much. I can hear music a bit as background at 20 but almost not at all at 10. Just hearing it isn't the comparator. At what levels with similar settings do both sound exactly the same? If that's a bit lower for music over movies then it's probably source and content dependent. How large is your space in cubic feet and how far away are you sitting from the main speakers? Also what make and model of speakers do you have in your front soundstage?


Music with volume at 20 is about equal to tv at volume 65. This is with dynamic volume turned off for both. I’m about 8 feet from the receiver and my space is about 12x25. I have Martin Logan motion 4i speakers.


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Hdmi but what is very strange is that’s when I’m playing music, dynamic volume off and light have similar volume but when playing from the tv, the dynamic volume when turned to off is extremely mute.


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There are source specific level settings under option->channel level adjust that can be boosted up to 12dB. Adjust them per source until they all match. Varying source levels is a common issue.

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Music with volume at 20 is about equal to tv at volume 65. This is with dynamic volume turned off for both. I’m about 8 feet from the receiver and my space is about 12x25. I have Martin Logan motion 4i speakers.


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Got it. Something else is up then. That's not normal. 20 should be a whisper and 65 should sound fairly loud. You're on the default volume level setting right? 0-98. I got the max limit backwards earlier in that mode. Mines -18 to 80(mute) using the optional Relative scale.

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@sd13 Those 4i's are actually designed more for on wall side surround use. 4 Ohm and 90dB sensitive should be able to get fairly loud at 8 feet but they aren't even a full sized bookshelf speaker. That's the only other thing I can think of short of rerunning Audyssey in case something didn't get set correctly level wise or a defect with the receiver itself. Wish I had more for you.

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Got it. Something else is up then. That's not normal. 20 should be a whisper and 65 should sound fairly loud. You're on the default volume level setting right? 0-98. I got the max limit backwards earlier in that mode. Mines -18 to 80(mute) using the optional Relative scale.

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@sd13 Those 4i's are actually designed more for on wall side surround use. 4 Ohm and 90dB sensitive should be able to get fairly loud at 8 feet but they aren't even a full sized bookshelf speaker. That's the only other thing I can think of short of rerunning Audyssey in case something didn't get set correctly level wise or a defect with the receiver itself. Wish I had more for you.

I did not have the issue with my Sony 1080. It got way louder at lower volumes. Sound was richer and less tinny as well and bass was much tighter.



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Does the amp start distorting once you go over 0db (reference level) on volume?

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Any way to disable this stupid mute logo on the Denon receivers? This has burn in written all over it for oled owners.
Am I correct in assuming you don't want to turn off the volume on the on-screen display?

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