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I am baffled by the complaints of Denon receivers running hot.


I have a 3500. Eco mode is turned off. All video processing is turned off. I listen/watch with a MV setting of -20dB to -15dB. Sometimes up to -12dB. I am retired and with the covid-19 virus, I watch TV/movies or listen to music for several hours in the afternoon and at night. The top of the AVR is slightly warm to the touch after a 2 hour movie, and in fact, feels cooler than the DISH satellite receiver with all its digital processing. There is no heat build up in my equipment rack and certainly no heat build up in our great room. In standby mode the AVR is cold.









I play electric guitar and build my own vacuum tube guitar amps. I have two 40 watt amps and two 5 watt amps. The 40 watts amps, when cranked, can easily raise the room temperature by about 5 degrees F.


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Does Denon's 4500 earc function work flawlessly? I want to buy a ps5 later this year and i would like to know if i should buy now a 4500 for a discounted price, so i can connect this through earc with a future 8k tv
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Quick question on setting up an old Onkyo TX-84 2 channel receiver for powering Zone 2 on my Denon 4500. I reviewed JD'S pages on this but not sure where I would plug the RCA cables from the Denon into the Onkyo receiver. I'm thinking any one of the Onkyo's play jacks would work. My on the TX-84 are Phono, CD, Tape 1 record and play, Tape 2 record and play, VCR 1/VDP record and plan or VCR 2.

No trigger plug in for this receiver. But it should work for my patio speakers until my backordered AudioSource amp is sent.
You can connect the RCA cables to any of the analog audio inputs on the Onkyo except PHONO although CD is likely least complicated.
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I am baffled by the complaints of Denon receivers running hot.


I have a 3500. Eco mode is turned off. All video processing is turned off. I listen/watch with a MV setting of -20dB to -15dB. Sometimes up to -12dB. I am retired and with the covid-19 virus, I watch TV/movies or listen to music for several hours in the afternoon and at night. The top of the AVR is slightly warm to the touch after a 2 hour movie, and in fact, feels cooler than the DISH satellite receiver with all its digital processing. There is no heat build up in my equipment rack and certainly no heat build up in our great room. In standby mode the AVR is cold.
Although your AVR only runs "warm to the touch", as a general rule, it's best not to stack anything (other than a fan) on top of the AVR to ensure for proper ventilation.
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I play electric guitar and build my own vacuum tube guitar amps. I have two 40 watt amps and two 5 watt amps. The 40 watts amps, when cranked, can easily raise the room temperature by about 5 degrees F.
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I do have Media Streaming turned on and can see the 4500h listed. In the app I choose Music-Music servers-(my computer name)-browse-music-folder-music and then see all of my subfolders. example Flac music, mp3 for car , etc. When I click on one of those say Flac I see all artists I have, then click on an artist and I see the albums I have and when I click on the album I get the "No Media" message on the app. Frustrating because I can drill down that far and it fails.
So, I figure I would go to Denon Customer Support and email the question to them. Surprise their support email isn't working and will not allow me to send my question. I am probably not doing something correct but it is frustrating.
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Although your AVR only runs "warm to the touch", as a general rule, it's best not to stack anything (other than a fan) on top of the AVR to ensure for proper ventilation.
I have been stacking a blu-ray player on top of the 3500 since I purchased it last year. Prior to that I had a blu-ray player stacked on top of my old Onkyo AVR for years and never had a problem. The player sits on 1.5" feet and there is airflow all around the AVR and player.

I am not recommending that anyone else follow my example. I am merely presenting the fact that I have zero heating problems with my setup. If someone is claiming that enough heat is being generated to actually cause a noticeable increase in the air temperature of an entire room, they have a serious problem that no fan is going to correct.

Edit: Note that I said "slightly warm to the touch" as in negligible.

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Thanks. I have a BSEE earned when vacuum tubes were still part of the curriculum. I know a little bit about heat transfer and cooling. 😉
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Guess I shouldn't say Hot, more like warm to the touch. Though the green power light and red B side button is always On so I was wondering if its actually running all the time. I will see if the unit has trigger option, I dont think it does though as the power button is a push button so the unit won't shut off properly unit the button is manually pushed I suppose.

The AudioSource AMP-100, unlike its successor AMP-100VS model, does not have a trigger option. But it does offer a switchable auto-on function. There is a AUTO ON toggle switch on the back of the unit: In the AUTO position, this switch will use signal sensing to power on the amp assuming that the power button on the front panel is kept in the ON (pushed in) position; the other switch position is labeled NORMAL and reflects manual on/off operation by means of the front panel power button.

However, in my experience signal sensing with this amp does not always work well for height speakers given the tenuous nature of the overhead signals in many audio codecs. When I was using this amp, I found it preferable to keep it powered on constantly except during periods of prolonged non-usage. The amp's extremely low power consumption when idle means that there is not much of a conservation factor to worry about, and the heat generation should be very minimal.

Otherwise, there are other solutions you could employ, such as a smart power strip with the AVR as the master.
You are right on point! Though I tried setting it to auto and no signal or even playing atmos content didnt wake up the amp so I go bk to leaving it at normal and always powered on. Silver lining is i do notice the unit being less warm when not in use. Guess thats how it'll have to be. TY!

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Hi everyone,

I have a really simple question I know that been asked and explained alot here but I really searched for it using google but still not sure what I found is right ... when watching movies should I use direct ot auto mode ? I have been using auto until a friend told me that the auto alter and change the real experience intended by the movie mixer but what I did understand from the manual and the searching that is not totally true since using direct mode will totally disable audyssey and that not right and auto should be used so could you please confirm it to me ... thanx
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I have a really simple question I know that been asked and explained alot here but I really searched for it using google but still not sure what I found is right ... when watching movies should I use direct ot auto mode ? I have been using auto until a friend told me that the auto alter and change the real experience intended by the movie mixer but what I did understand from the manual and the searching that is not totally true since using direct mode will totally disable audyssey and that not right and auto should be used so could you please confirm it to me ... thanx
Using either DIRECT/PURE DIRECT will disable Audyssey and bass management.

Using AUTO will not.

Continue using AUTO or select sound mode directly using MOVIE - (Surround mode) as either one keeps Audyssey and bass management enabled.
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Edit: Note that I said "slightly warm to the touch" as in negligible.
Where exactly are you touching it?

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I have been stacking a blu-ray player on top of the 3500 since I purchased it last year. Prior to that I had a blu-ray player stacked on top of my old Onkyo AVR for years and never had a problem. The player sits on 1.5" feet and there is airflow all around the AVR and player.



I am not recommending that anyone else follow my example. I am merely presenting the fact that I have zero heating problems with my setup. If someone is claiming that enough heat is being generated to actually cause a noticeable increase in the air temperature of an entire room, they have a serious problem that no fan is going to correct.



Edit: Note that I said "slightly warm to the touch" as in negligible.
I have a similar 1.5 inch air gap above my X4300H and it's also only cool to slightly warm to the touch. My last receiver lasted 12 plus years in the same location. I was slightly worried with the newer receivers having HDMI boards and more bells and whistles inside but no. Still very little heat production coming from the top. Mines open totally on both sides though.

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Where exactly are you touching it?
He's an EE so my guess is he's checked everywhere.

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At -20 dB MV, my S740H generates decent amount of heat, alas, it is driving two very inefficient (84 dB) 4 Ohm L/R speakers, so I am not surprised.

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Where exactly are you touching it?
Without removing the blu-ray player my fingers can reach to the middle of the top, about above where the video card is.

The side vents are cool to the touch.

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At -20 dB MV, my S740H generates decent amount of heat, alas, it is driving two very inefficient (84 dB) 4 Ohm L/R speakers, so I am not surprised.
The OP is talking about the heat at idle meaning no load on the amps.

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At -20 dB MV, my S740H generates decent amount of heat, alas, it is driving two very inefficient (84 dB) 4 Ohm L/R speakers, so I am not surprised.
I believe it has been stated that the main heat source is the video and hdmi cards.
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The OP is talking about the heat at idle meaning no load on the amps.
Sorry. I find that hard to fathom unless there is a serious defect. AVR is heating up the room? If that were true I would shut it down and send it in for service.

Some photos of the room and equipment setup would be useful.
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Sorry. I find that hard to fathom unless there is a serious defect. AVR is heating up the room? If that were true I would shut it down and send it in for service.



Some photos of the room and equipment setup would be useful.
That was my take as well. Soulburner has a pic of his setup in the Rythmik thread I believe. Last few posts as I hang out there as well.

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At -20 dB MV, my S740H generates decent amount of heat, alas, it is driving two very inefficient (84 dB) 4 Ohm L/R speakers, so I am not surprised.
The OP is talking about the heat at idle meaning no load on the amps.
He stated it was after a 2 hour movie watched at -20 to -15 dB.

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At -20 dB MV, my S740H generates decent amount of heat, alas, it is driving two very inefficient (84 dB) 4 Ohm L/R speakers, so I am not surprised.
I believe it has been stated that the main heat source is the video and hdmi cards.
My S740H isn't doing any video processing, AFAIK.

At -35 dB, there isn't any heat, but at -20 to -15 dB, it starts to get fairly warm.

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He stated it was after a 2 hour movie watched at -20 to -15 dB.
I can watch a 2 hr movie at MV of -20 to -15 db and my 3500 is barely warm. System is 7.1 with 8 ohm Polk speakers and HSU sub.
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My S740H isn't doing any video processing, AFAIK.

At -35 dB, there isn't any heat, but at -20 to -15 dB, it starts to get fairly warm.
Photo of your equipment setup please.
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That was my take as well. Soulburner has a pic of his setup in the Rythmik thread I believe. Last few posts as I hang out there as well.
I looked at the last 5 pages and found nothing. If you have a link ....
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I looked at the last 5 pages and found nothing. If you have a link ....
Post #43487 on my Tapatalk app. Literally 9 posts up from the last on. The receiver is sitting on a carpeted floor as he's looking for stand recommends there.

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He stated it was after a 2 hour movie watched at -20 to -15 dB.
You're cherry picking one thing he said then. He said to me repeatedly in thread it was hot to the touch at idle and the room was noticeably hotter the minute he entered the room. That's the main reason he's so concerned about it. We went back and forth discussing said idle current as well.
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I just ordered the aircom s8 to pair with my 4500h for piece of mind. The reciever has 4 inches of clearance on top and is open on the sides but still gets pretty warm to the touch.
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I just ordered the aircom s8 to pair with my 4500h for piece of mind. The reciever has 4 inches of clearance on top and is open on the sides but still gets pretty warm to the touch.
For edification is this at idle with no load on the amps? If so you should first try engaging Eco Auto mode.

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^I've never left it at idle. It gets warm when watching movies or streaming...I dont think it's anything out of the ordinary.

I don't use eco mode.
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