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Upgrading from the S530BT adds 1 more HDMI input and two more audio channels for a 7CH model and the lowest model to feature Audyssey MultEQ (6 mic positions), networking, DSD via USB/network source, Atmos/DTS:X 5.2.2, DTS:X and uses speaker posts, 32 bit DAC, and an on board Denon HEOS module (allows streaming of HEOS app music services to the AVR as well as streaming PCM 2.0 source from the AVR to HEOS wireless speakers set up around the home). Firmware updates are installed via a network connection or USB. It can display the GUI over 2D/3D video from all HDMI inputs, but not over 4k video. . It features 5.1 + Zone 2 capability using the Surround Back speaker posts for Zone 2. A new SAVE/LOAD config file via USB feature has been added. There are no Zone 2 pre-outs. No noticeable difference in power; however, audio quality should be improved after running Audyssey. This is the lowest model that can use the new Audyssey MultEQ Editor iOS/Android app ($20) as well as the lowest model that will be receiving the HLG firmware update.


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Since you're used to Audyssey XT, I would probably go with an X series model (e.g. X1400H). Only reason to go higher is if you need more HDMI inputs.

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I'm currently using a 9.2 setup with the X4000 along with a 5-channel amp. In order to be ready/output-equipped to go with a 4 speaker Atmos addition, I assume I need to go with the X4500H and up?

Also, if I don't go Atmos but do want an AVR that's fully 4K compliant, what previous model year would meet that requirement? I'm thinking of closeout models and possibly used. In fact, are any earlier models equipped for both full 4K and Atmos other than these 2018 models? Buying my first 4K display this year and I'm trying to make the funds stretch without breaking the bank.

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Does anyone know if the S940 that now shows OSD with 4K content is still limited to 4K/30Hz or it shows now OSD and menu overlay at 4K/60Hz? I'm really interested in the X3500 and up but wanted to know if the S940 can do it.

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I'm currently using a 9.2 setup with the X4000 along with a 5-channel amp. In order to be ready/output-equipped to go with a 4 speaker Atmos addition, I assume I need to go with the X4500H and up?

Also, if I don't go Atmos but do want an AVR that's fully 4K compliant, what previous model year would meet that requirement? I'm thinking of closeout models and possibly used. In fact, are any earlier models equipped for both full 4K and Atmos other than these 2018 models? Buying my first 4K display this year and I'm trying to make the funds stretch without breaking the bank.

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1. Correct.
2. 2015 and newer models are 4k/HDCP 2.2/Atmos capable.
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Does anyone know if the S940 that now shows OSD with 4K content is still limited to 4K/30Hz or it shows now OSD and menu overlay at 4K/60Hz? I'm really interested in the X3500 and up but wanted to know if the S940 can do it.
Not confirmed, but the S940H Owner's manual implies it's possible, yes.
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I need a nice receiver for a 5.1.4 setup and the x4400 looks like it will suit my needs. My theater room won't be completed for about a month and I could wait for the new x4500 if it is worth it. Do you think I should get a 4400 likely on sale or is the x4500 worth the wait over last year's model?
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1. Correct.
2. 2015 and newer models are 4k/HDCP 2.2/Atmos capable.
But the X4200W can't do 9.2.4 can it, just 7.2.2 for Atmos? Even with using a 5 channel amp for the LCR and the LS/RS?

Sorry, I'll search the 2015 thread but thought I'd give it a shot here.

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from the Denon X2500H manual
I don't see any mentioning of Airplay 2 and E-Arc , can we safely assume this won't be on the model or the reference for airplay 2 would still be airplay and for eARC reference would be ARC?
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But the X4200W can't do 9.2.4 can it, just 7.2.2 for Atmos? Even with using a 5 channel amp for the LCR and the LS/RS?

Sorry, I'll search the 2015 thread but thought I'd give it a shot here.

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Correct. The X4200W is only a 7CH model (expandable to 9CH) while the X4300H is a 9CH model (expandable to 11CH); however, only the new 2018 "flagship" X8500H can do 9.2.4.
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I don't see any mentioning of Airplay 2 and E-Arc , can we safely assume this won't be on the model or the reference for airplay 2 would still be airplay and for eARC reference would be ARC?
Although Airplay 2 is likely, as noted in my post 1 of this thread, eARC will only be on the X3500H/X4500H/X6500H.
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I need a nice receiver for a 5.1.4 setup and the x4400 looks like it will suit my needs. My theater room won't be completed for about a month and I could wait for the new x4500 if it is worth it. Do you think I should get a 4400 likely on sale or is the x4500 worth the wait over last year's model?
Depends on what features you require and if you want to wait until the X4500H release in September. The final specs on the X4500H won't be released until this summer; however, some of the newer features are noted in post 1 of this thread.
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Correct. The X4200W is only a 7CH model (expandable to 9CH) while the X4300H is a 9CH model (expandable to 11CH); however, only the new 2018 "flagship" X8500H can do 9.2.4.
So, can the X4300H do 7.2.4? Remembering that I'm using a 5 channel external amp as well. I can repurpose the back channels I have now as Atmos rear channels as they're in the ceiling already and just lose the back channels. Or maybe just drop the wides. I don't know, it's so complicated nowadays, can we just go back to mono?

I apologize for asking these questions in the new model thread, is there a chart somewhere that compares what each current and past model can do as far as loudspeaker setup?
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I need a nice receiver for a 5.1.4 setup and the x4400 looks like it will suit my needs. My theater room won't be completed for about a month and I could wait for the new x4500 if it is worth it. Do you think I should get a 4400 likely on sale or is the x4500 worth the wait over last year's model?
Depends on what deal you find, the 4400H are at a great price but we know the 4500H will be more cash, we have to see if any improvements are made and feature gain. Odds are "most" would be happy with the 4400H.....
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Is it still looking like no wides this year?
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So, can the X4300H do 7.2.4? Remembering that I'm using a 5 channel external amp as well. I can repurpose the back channels I have now as Atmos rear channels as they're in the ceiling already and just lose the back channels. Or maybe just drop the wides. I don't know, it's so complicated nowadays, can we just go back to mono?

I apologize for asking these questions in the new model thread, is there a chart somewhere that compares what each current and past model can do as far as loudspeaker setup?
I don't know about the X4300, but the X4400 can do what you ask. I also use all external amps with the X4400 in a 7.1.4 setup. But I'm transitioning to removing the external amps for the .4/ceilings and using the X4400's internal amps for those instead (when the new/replacement ceiling speakers come back in stock). External amps for all the base/7.1 channels still, but you could use internal amps for any of those channels except for the Front L/R (if using internal amps for the .4 speakers).

BTW I also have an X4000. Besides not having Atmos (happened the next model year), it doesn't have as flexible amp assignment as the X4400 does.

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So, can the X4300H do 7.2.4? Remembering that I'm using a 5 channel external amp as well. I can repurpose the back channels I have now as Atmos rear channels as they're in the ceiling already and just lose the back channels. Or maybe just drop the wides. I don't know, it's so complicated nowadays, can we just go back to mono?

I apologize for asking these questions in the new model thread, is there a chart somewhere that compares what each current and past model can do as far as loudspeaker setup?
Yes, the X4300H is a 9ch AVR which is expandable to 11ch in the main zone. See pp. 60-64 of the user's manual for the various 11ch speaker connection combinations and pp. 216-222 for the amp assign mode setup options. (But note that this model does not support FW speakers in any configuration.)

Besides providing processing for up to 11.2 output in the main zone, it can also handle two additional zones depending on how you wish to deploy your external amplifier(s).

BTW, what you are referring to as Atmos channels are more accurately termed height or top speakers as they can be used for more than just Dolby Atmos soundtracks. Besides the other immersive codecs--DTS:X and Auro3D--they are also employed by the upmixers (e.g., Dolby Surround and Neural:X) to matrix sound overhead.
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I don't know about the X4300, but the X4400 can do what you ask. I also use all external amps with the X4400 in a 7.1.4 setup. But I'm transitioning to removing the external amps for the .4/ceilings and using the X4400's internal amps for those instead (when the new/replacement ceiling speakers come back in stock). External amps for all the base/7.1 channels still, but you could use internal amps for any of those channels except for the Front L/R (if using internal amps for the .4 speakers).

BTW I also have an X4000. Besides not having Atmos (happened the next model year), it doesn't have as flexible amp assignment as the X4400 does.
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Yes, the X4300H is a 9ch AVR which is expandable to 11ch in the main zone. See pp. 60-64 of the user's manual for the various 11ch speaker connection combinations and pp. 216-222 for the amp assign mode setup options. (But note that this model does not support FW speakers in any configuration.)

Besides providing processing for up to 11.2 output in the main zone, it can also handle two additional zones depending on how you wish to deploy your external amplifier(s).

BTW, what you are referring to as Atmos channels are more accurately termed height or top speakers as they can be used for more than just Dolby Atmos soundtracks. Besides the other immersive codecs--DTS:X and Auro3D--they are also employed by the upmixers (e.g., Dolby Surround and Neural:X) to matrix sound overhead.
Right, I should use the proper terminology, Atmos came to mind is all. I can easily lose the wide channels, I'm not all that convinced they're really worth it anyway and I can repurpose those speakers as top or height speakers, probably front height.

I don't have a need for any additional zones other than Main so I don't have to worry about AVR amp sharing. I'll be using an outboard amp with the usual LCRLSRS setup and hopefully use the AVR for the top/height and maybe the backs if that capability is there?

Thanks for the page numbers, it looks like it will be very useful.

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Thanks, that's some good info.


Right, I should use the proper terminology, Atmos came to mind is all. I can easily lose the wide channels, I'm not all that convinced they're really worth it anyway and I can repurpose those speakers as top or height speakers, probably front height.

I don't have a need for any additional zones other than Main so I don't have to worry about AVR amp sharing. I'll be using an outboard amp with the usual LCRLSRS setup and hopefully and use the AVR for the top/height and maybe the backs if that capability is there?

Thanks for the page numbers, it looks like it will be very useful.
Yes, you can do that (see the note on p. 223 of the user's manual regarding selection of the pre-out connectors).

The pre-outs are always hot, so you can use the following amp assign mode, for example, to achieve your desired setup:

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- Layout: Top Front + Top Rear (or other combination of your choice)

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Yes, you can do that (see the note on p. 223 of the user's manual regarding selection of the pre-out connectors).

The pre-outs are always hot, so you can use the following amp assign mode, for example, to achieve your desired setup:

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Great! And that's with the 4400 or can the 4300 do that configuration as well?
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I don't see any mentioning of Airplay 2 and E-Arc , can we safely assume this won't be on the model or the reference for airplay 2 would still be airplay and for eARC reference would be ARC?
Even for 2017 models there are no mentions of the Airplay version or eARC support in the manuals. Those informations are mentioned mostly on marketing materials (datasheets, salesguides or online specs).
So, the manuals are not the best sources of finding those types of info.
You must wait for the marketing infos to be published.

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Is it still looking like no wides this year?
Although Front Wide speakers are configurable on the new "flagship" X8500H, it is unknown at this time whether they will be added to the X4500H or X6500H to be released in September.
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So, can the X4300H do 7.2.4? Remembering that I'm using a 5 channel external amp as well. I can repurpose the back channels I have now as Atmos rear channels as they're in the ceiling already and just lose the back channels. Or maybe just drop the wides. I don't know, it's so complicated nowadays, can we just go back to mono?

I apologize for asking these questions in the new model thread, is there a chart somewhere that compares what each current and past model can do as far as loudspeaker setup?
Yes. Since 2016 when the X6000 series was expanded to 11CH, the X4000 series (ie. X4300H/X4400H/X4500H) remain the only models that can be expanded beyond their on board amp capability (ie. by 2CH, from 9CH --> 11CH).
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Even for 2017 models there are no mentions of the Airplay version or eARC support in the manuals. Those informations are mentioned mostly on marketing materials (datasheets, salesguides or online specs).
So, the manuals are not the best sources of finding those types of info.
You must wait for the marketing infos to be published.
As I previously noted ... all networking models will be Airplay 2 capable with only the X3500H/X4500H/X6500H being eARC capable (from the factory as opposed to via firmware update for the 2017 X3400H/X4400H/X6400H).
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As I previously noted ... all networking models will be Airplay 2 capable with only the X3500H/X4500H/X6500H being eARC capable (from the factory as opposed to via firmware update for the 2017 X3400H/X4400H/X6400H).
nice X3400h supporting eARC makes the X3400H a viable option versus X3500H or the X2500H as pricing is very competitive now,
but on this case I would only give up airplay2 and some other new network features, correct?
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nice X3400h supporting eARC makes the X3400H a viable option versus X3500H or the X2500H as pricing is very competitive now,
but on this case I would only give up airplay2 and some other new network features, correct?
As noted in post 1.
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