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post #871 of 4223 Old 10-05-2018, 09:20 AM
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You can completely disable Video Conversion which will totally bypass the video circuits -- no overlays, no GUI, no nothing.
True, but it's super important to remind people that even then that the video conversion is only one part of the chain. Disabling it doesn't totally bypass everything else: ie the HDMI-decoding (on the "input" socket) and HDMI-reencoding circuits (on the "output" socket) required to perform "pseudo pass-through".

This is together with removal of audio on the way out, and synchronising of the fully decoded and Audyssey-processed audio (which is going to be played out of the AVR) with the suitably delayed and newly-created video stream, sent out of the "HDMI out" socket .

The HDMI data doesn't pass through the AVR untouched. It is completely unpacked and re-built, and people might get lulled into a false sense of security if they don't realise this. Now that we have the dolby vision and HLG "pseudo pass-through" features (ie the AVR now knows how to re-create those special packets in the output bitstream when it creates them, instead of throwing them away as 'unknown' hence losing dolby vision etc), it will become harder to explain.
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True, but it's super important to remind people that even then that the video conversion is only one part of the chain. Disabling it doesn't totally bypass everything else: ie the HDMI-decoding (on the "input" socket) and HDMI-reencoding circuits (on the "output" socket) required to perform "pseudo pass-through".

This is together with removal of audio on the way out, and synchronising of the fully decoded and Audyssey-processed audio (which is going to be played out of the AVR) with the suitably delayed and newly-created video stream, sent out of the "HDMI out" socket .

The HDMI data doesn't pass through the AVR untouched. It is completely unpacked and re-built, and people might get lulled into a false sense of security if they don't realise this. Now that we have the dolby vision and HLG "pseudo pass-through" features (ie the AVR now knows how to re-create those special packets in the output bitstream when it creates them, instead of throwing them away as 'unknown' hence losing dolby vision etc), it will become harder to explain.
that's kind of what I had in mind. considering video conversion and i/p scaler are turned off - do you happen to know what the resulting input lag is? are you familiar of any tests that have been made?
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Please help me decide.

I can get a 2018 S740H or a 2017 S930H for the same price. What should I do?

I'm replacing a 2113ci.
I have an LG OLED and a 5.1 speaker setup (Klipsch's).
I may want to go to an Atmos setup down the road, but not right away.
I do not use a multi room setup, and likely will not.
The HEOS feature intrigues me, perhaps for sound in the backyard - also down the road.

It's been difficult for me to compare the meaningful differences between the two.

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I may have found a comparison site (see my post just above this one).

It looks like (besides the slight increase in power), the 2017 S930H has as better video section, which given I have an OLED, may mean the S930H is better for me for the same money?

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Edit.
I figured it out. A google search brought me to the manual. Under HDMI setup there is a toggle to turn Smart Menu off. Yes, RTFM.
I hope no one spent any time trying to answer this "dumb" question. I still am a bit puzzled about why this did not show up consistently.
No worries. It should never show up now.






Hello,
I have a question about my X6400H. Sporadically when I start an activity to say, watch TV which starts my DTV DVR, starts the Denon, then the TV and sets the TV to HDMI 2. The TV is an LG 65B7, FWIW. I am using a harmony 1 remote. When the display image comes up it is overlaid by something called the "Smart Menu" I have a picture that I will try to include. Once the menu is there it will not time out. It requires input from the remote to dismiss it. SO I either have to switch to devices on the remote, select the Denon, and click OK. Or grab the original remote and click OK or back. Now this doesn't seem too bad, and it isn't, but it defeats the purpose of having an activity setup that allows me to just hit a button and start watching. So the question is, how do I disable this menu from displaying on startup. I have combed the menus in the Denon and can't see anything that looks like it would turn it off. Any help will be greatly appreciated.
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Airplay 2 question

As i understand, my new AVR X3500 should be fully Airplay 2 compatible (after latest firmware updates). And one of the features with Airplay 2 was control from the home iOS Homekit app.
But how can i add the reciever in the Home app?

I don't see any codes to scan or type, when using the function to add nearby devices, i does find the device but not able to add it.
Normal Airplay works.

Am i not undertanding Airplay 2 and it's functions correctly, or doing something wrong?
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S940H question:
I have a 5.1 setup with Klipsch CDT3650 in-ceiling speakers. I had been running it with Onkyo TX-SR507 for 8 years till it died last week. I got an S940H but I’m getting extremely low sound from all HDMI sources. Need to set volume to 60-70. Can’t hear a thing below 30-40. Is it normal? Any suggestions? Thanks.
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Can Marantz (SR7013) and Denon HEOS enabled AVRs be used with any other WiFi/wireless speakers (i.e. other than HEOS speakers and without HEOS amp or link)?

I see that “Play-Fi” seems to be the most widely supported wireless protocol among hi-end audio brands. With strong whole home WiFi I would love to connect to some wireless speakers from KLIPSCH, MARTIN LOGAN, PARADIGM, THIEL, etc. It does not appear that anyone outside Marantz/Denon intends to support HEOS as far as I can tell.
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S940H question:
I have a 5.1 setup with Klipsch CDT3650 in-ceiling speakers. I had been running it with Onkyo TX-SR507 for 8 years till it died last week. I got an S940H but I’m getting extremely low sound from all HDMI sources. Need to set volume to 60-70. Can’t hear a thing below 30-40. Is it normal? Any suggestions? Thanks.
Yes, that's normal.

After calibration, volume settings near 70 for movies and 60 for CDs are what most people use.

The volume setting values are logarithmic, with 80 being "reference". They are not proportional to the amount of power available in the receiver's amps. Rather, "reference" (80 or 0 depending on what you've set the volume scale to be) corresponds to the same sound level as you'd hear in a calibrated commercial movie theater. That is too loud for most home environments, though, so most people turn it down to 70. Pop music CDs have been subject to "loudness" wars, so they usually need to be turned down more.
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Can Marantz (SR7013) and Denon HEOS enabled AVRs be used with any other WiFi/wireless speakers (i.e. other than HEOS speakers and without HEOS amp or link)?

I see that “Play-Fi” seems to be the most widely supported wireless protocol among hi-end audio brands. With strong whole home WiFi I would love to connect to some wireless speakers from KLIPSCH, MARTIN LOGAN, PARADIGM, THIEL, etc. It does not appear that anyone outside Marantz/Denon intends to support HEOS as far as I can tell.
No.
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that's kind of what I had in mind. considering video conversion and i/p scaler are turned off - do you happen to know what the resulting input lag is? are you familiar of any tests that have been made?
No idea, sorry

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Hello folks. I've got an X4400H and I've got another zone question. I apologize if it has already been answered but it is pretty tough find an anecdote specific to mine. I swear I read one on here a month or so ago with the only difference being that the person asking the question had displays that didn't accept the same signal. Couldn't find it through AVS or google search. Anyways...

Can I...

Output any of my gaming consoles (X1X, PS4 Pro and Switch) to 3 different display devices that all accept that type of signal (4K/60hz; 10 bit; 4:4:4) through the 3 HDMI outputs on this receiver (Monitor 1, Monitor 2, Zone 2)? All of these displays are in the same room; I do not wish to operate them at the same time. I just want to be able to use them one at a time based on the activity I choose. If possible, would any compromises be made in the process?

Ideally I'd like to have an 11.2 setup on the projector screen and let the other two TVs output the sound through their own speakers (or potentially a soundbar?).

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Honestly, I usually understand these types of things but this one is really confusing for me. I don't even know if I'm asking for the moon or this is easily doable. I also don't even know if I'm asking the question in the right way. I'm just getting close to finishing my buildout and need to know if I need to adjust my expectations or start searching for a hardware solution or something else. Any help would be appreciated.


Edit-

Just read back a couple pages and it seems I can do this...

Main - 11.2 channel audio (with external amp)
Z2 - 2.0 Stereo
Z3 - Nope (HDMI Source)


But as long as Main and Zone 2 can accept the same video input I shouldn't have a problem with video. Does that sound right?

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Hello folks. I've got an X4400H and I've got another zone question. I apologize if it has already been answered but it is pretty tough find an anecdote specific to mine. I swear I read one on here a month or so ago with the only difference being that the person asking the question had displays that didn't accept the same signal. Couldn't find it through AVS or google search. Anyways...
Oops! Wrong thread. This is for the 2018 models. Please repost in the 2017 Denon AVR Owner's thread.
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2018 avrs540bt issues

I just bought this amp, and when I hook my att uverse cable box up to it, I get nothing. I have a 2018 samsung 65 qled q8f tv. I'm using arc on the tv and receiver, I have a samsung ultra 4k bluray which works fine through receiver, I just can't get the cable box to run though it. It was fine just joking it up through the tv hdmi, but not when I run it though the receiver, any thoughts?
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Welcome to AVSForum. AVR model specific questions are best posted in their respective Owner's thread.

https://www.avsforum.com/forum/90-re...sts-1-8-a.html
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I just bought this amp, and when I hook my att uverse cable box up to it, I get nothing. I have a 2018 samsung 65 qled q8f tv. I'm using arc on the tv and receiver, I have a samsung ultra 4k bluray which works fine through receiver, I just can't get the cable box to run though it. It was fine just joking it up through the tv hdmi, but not when I run it though the receiver, any thoughts?
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I just bought this amp, and when I hook my att uverse cable box up to it, I get nothing. I have a 2018 samsung 65 qled q8f tv. I'm using arc on the tv and receiver, I have a samsung ultra 4k bluray which works fine through receiver, I just can't get the cable box to run though it. It was fine just joking it up through the tv hdmi, but not when I run it though the receiver, any thoughts?
Getting cable STBs to work with receivers sometimes can be quite frustrating.

Have you tried connecting the cable box using the same cable and HDMI port as you're using for your 4K disc player?
Cable quality can make a difference, as can the specific HDMI port that you're using on the receiver.

Have you tried configuring the cable box to output a fixed video resolution? (e.g. 1080i)
Doing this minimizes the number of HDMI/HDCP handshakes which have to be made. Those handshakes are what usually cause problems.

If you haven't already, make sure that all of your HDMI cables are "Certified Premium." Although that certification should be needed only for 4K signals, cables with it minimize the degradation of the HDMI signals going through them, improving the reliability of 1080i signals, too.
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If you haven't already, make sure that all of your HDMI cables are "Certified Premium." Although that certification should be needed only for 4K signals, cables with it minimize the degradation of the HDMI signals going through them, improving the reliability of 1080i signals, too.
That seems to fix many issues today........
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Google Home

In addition to working with Alexa (eg. Echo/Echo Dot), Denon and Marantz HEOS models are now able to work with Google Home.

https://marantz.custhelp.com/app/ans...Fconfiguration
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Hi all, could use your advice.
Currently own a x3200w.
I’ve been eyeing the s940h as an update.
The area that I’m considered about is moving to MultiEq from MultiEq XT.
Is gaining the app worth losing the XT?
A worthy update overall? Or would it be a step back in some ways I’m missing offhand?
I have an LG C7 that I’m going to keep for a long while so not concerned about HDMI 2.1 but any reason to wait for the 2019 models?

The higher end current models are a bit out of my budget for the moment, people seem to swear by XT32 but several hundred more just for that seems outrageous without anyway to experience the difference.

Appreciate the feedback.
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Hi all, could use your advice.
Currently own a x3200w.
I’ve been eyeing the s940h as an update.
The area that I’m considered about is moving to MultiEq from MultiEq XT.
Is gaining the app worth losing the XT?
A worthy update overall? Or would it be a step back in some ways I’m missing offhand?
I have an LG C7 that I’m going to keep for a long while so not concerned about HDMI 2.1 but any reason to wait for the 2019 models?

The higher end current models are a bit out of my budget for the moment, people seem to swear by XT32 but several hundred more just for that seems outrageous without anyway to experience the difference.

Appreciate the feedback.
Although dropping from XT to MultEQ is not likely to provide much difference, you would be much better served with the 2017 X3400H on clearance as it uses the much more advanced XT32. Unlikely other than possibly the upper level 2019 models (ie. Fall) will be released with HDMI 2.1.
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Hi all, could use your advice.
Currently own a x3200w.
I’ve been eyeing the s940h as an update.
The area that I’m considered about is moving to MultiEq from MultiEq XT.
Is gaining the app worth losing the XT?
A worthy update overall? Or would it be a step back in some ways I’m missing offhand?
I have an LG C7 that I’m going to keep for a long while so not concerned about HDMI 2.1 but any reason to wait for the 2019 models?

The higher end current models are a bit out of my budget for the moment, people seem to swear by XT32 but several hundred more just for that seems outrageous without anyway to experience the difference.

Appreciate the feedback.
Although dropping from XT to MultEQ is not likely to provide much difference, you would be much better served with the 2017 X3400H on clearance as it uses the much more advanced XT32. Unlikely other than possibly the upper level 2019 models (ie. Fall) will be released with HDMI 2.1.
Thanks for responding to my basic question.
I did look at that. Seems to be $150 min difference just for that one feature.
Really feel like it’s worth it?
Anything else I’d get out of it?
Any advice on where to price an x3400h under $500, if possible? They seem to be running a be scarce at the moment.

I’ve given up on getting any value out of my old equipment at this point, no matter how well cared so I’ve learned I can’t rely on that to inform upgrades at this point.
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Thanks for responding to my basic question.
I did look at that. Seems to be $150 min difference just for that one feature.
Really feel like it’s worth it?
Anything else I’d get out of it?
Any advice on where to price an x3400h under $500, if possible? They seem to be running a be scarce at the moment.

I’ve given up on getting any value out of my old equipment at this point, no matter how well cared so I’ve learned I can’t rely on that to inform upgrades at this point.
Sorry, no price talk.
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Sorry, no price talk.


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I finally decided to keep the Denon x6400h.

Price was too good a deal, after BestBuy compensated for an online order they screwed up for x3400h.

I was willing to wait for x6500h to drop in 2019, but I still wouldn't have gotten this low a price.

My question is, is the x6400h good to power Paradigm Prestige front 95F with 55C centre, and 7 other surrounds and atmos to max out all amps?

Or will I have to keep it to 5.1.4 for powering the big paradigms?


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Ok, I'm pretty sure this is all in my head, both because it doesn't make a ton of sense, and because I haven't seen anyone else here mentioning it. But I just wanted to throw it out there in case....

I recently installed an X3500H as a replacement for a 2313CI which has been exhibiting network flakiness. Overall the 3500 is fine, but it seems like the video quality looks a little softer to me. This is on a Panasonic 1080p plasma with 1080p sources (yeah, I'm a holdout) such as a TiVo Premiere and Apple TV. As far as I can tell neither the TV nor the receiver have any weird video processing settings turned on (on the AVR, I stuck with the defaults, but they looked sensible).

It's not really practical for me to quickly swap back and forth between the new and old AVR to do a direct comparison. I suspect it's just that with new equipment I'm paying closer attention to picture and sound quality than I normally do. But just to be sure, has anyone else noticed any video quality weirdness, and/or are there any non-obvious settings I should check?
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Ok, I'm pretty sure this is all in my head, both because it doesn't make a ton of sense, and because I haven't seen anyone else here mentioning it. But I just wanted to throw it out there in case....

I recently installed an X3500H as a replacement for a 2313CI which has been exhibiting network flakiness. Overall the 3500 is fine, but it seems like the video quality looks a little softer to me. This is on a Panasonic 1080p plasma with 1080p sources (yeah, I'm a holdout) such as a TiVo Premiere and Apple TV. As far as I can tell neither the TV nor the receiver have any weird video processing settings turned on (on the AVR, I stuck with the defaults, but they looked sensible).

It's not really practical for me to quickly swap back and forth between the new and old AVR to do a direct comparison. I suspect it's just that with new equipment I'm paying closer attention to picture and sound quality than I normally do. But just to be sure, has anyone else noticed any video quality weirdness, and/or are there any non-obvious settings I should check?
Some people have reported seeing decreases in video resolution (although primarily with 4K) if Video Conversion is on. You might try comparing what you see when it's off and on. (Having it off also disables the receiver's on-screen GUI.) See page 170 of the AVR-X3500H's owner's manual, which can be downloaded from http://manuals.denon.com/avrx3500h/na/en/

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I hope somebody here knows the answer to this, and that it has been researched or mentioned by the manufacturer? Basically two questions:

Which of the below will provide the lowest input latency:
  1. PS4 input selected with game mode enabled
  2. PS4 input with all video modes and processing disabled (which will also disable any video mode selected, including game mode)
  3. AVR in standby with HDMI passthrough

Furthermore, I sometimes play late at night using headphones, so I turn off the AVR but still have HDMI passthrough to the TV for visuals. Is it necessary to change to game mode first, then turn off the AVR, or will all video processing be turned off automatically when the AVR goes to standby, and it doesn't matter what the video mode was at when turning the AVR off?

Thanks for the help!
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I finally decided to keep the Denon x6400h.

Price was too good a deal, after BestBuy compensated for an online order they screwed up for x3400h.

I was willing to wait for x6500h to drop in 2019, but I still wouldn't have gotten this low a price.

My question is, is the x6400h good to power Paradigm Prestige front 95F with 55C centre, and 7 other surrounds and atmos to max out all amps?

Or will I have to keep it to 5.1.4 for powering the big paradigms?


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Shouldn't be a problem. The floor L/C/R speakers require the most power and even the lowest level "S" models could power all 7 floor speakers without an issue.
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Shouldn't be a problem. The floor L/C/R speakers require the most power and even the lowest level "S" models could power all 7 floor speakers without an issue.


Thank you JD, are there any threads for price talks, deals etc for speakers?


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