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Not that I'm doubting what's in the 8th post,
And yet your post would say otherwise. Believe what is listed in post 8.
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And yet your post would say otherwise. Believe what is listed in post 8.
Too bad the post is ambiguous and isn't clear... Apparently asking for clarifications on your posts is not allowed. Maybe someone else will help.

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Too bad the post is ambiguous and isn't clear... Apparently asking for clarifications on your posts is not allowed. Maybe someone else will help.
I'm not sure if this will help but the below are my settings with my X4500H. It's a standard 7.2 setup with 4 height speakers, two front in the ceiling and two rear in the ceiling. I'm using an outboard 5 channel amp for the basic 5 speakers and the Denon for the other 6(2 rear and 4 ceiling). Something that confused me when I first set this up was all the variations for the 4 additional speakers, toggling through the scenarios I think I counted about 5 or 6 different setups.
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I'm not sure if this will help but the below are my settings with my X4500H. It's a standard 7.2 setup with 4 height speakers, two front in the ceiling and two rear in the ceiling. I'm using an outboard 5 channel amp for the basic 5 speakers and the Denon for the other 6(2 rear and 4 ceiling). Something that confused me when I first set this up was all the variations for the 4 additional speakers, toggling through the scenarios I think I counted about 5 or 6 different setups.
Okay, that makes sense. That's the bit of information I was missing. There's a section in the setup menu to pick the front L&R speakers as getting the pre-amp / not amplified...

Your configuration mimics That's how I was planning to place my height speakers (though I could place them differently). So you can't use Auro 3D with that speaker configuration? I only have one Blu-ray with Auro 3D though I've heard their upmixer is pretty good for 2 channel music.

What 5 channel amp are you using?

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Too bad the post is ambiguous and isn't clear... Apparently asking for clarifications on your posts is not allowed. Maybe someone else will help.
Its not ambiguous when it's in your own receivers amp assign settings. Denon manuals are pretty useless when it comes to explaining things in general and this specifically. Plenty of owners who have used this amp assign in this manner over the last 2 years to remove any doubt of it's function.
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Your configuration mimics That's how I was planning to place my height speakers (though I could place them differently). So you can't use Auro 3D with that speaker configuration? I only have one Blu-ray with Auro 3D though I've heard their upmixer is pretty good for 2 channel music.

Correct. Only either FHR/FHL SHR/SHL or use of the rear heights along with the front like is used for a dual purpose Atmos/DTS-X configuration except with Auro there's an option to add a top surround VOG 10th speaker using the subwoofer 2 pre out and an external power amp.

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Too bad the post is ambiguous and isn't clear... Apparently asking for clarifications on your posts is not allowed. Maybe someone else will help.
This same post has been used for the last 3 years and you're the first to indicate it was ambiguous.
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Okay, that makes sense. That's the bit of information I was missing. There's a section in the setup menu to pick the front L&R speakers as getting the pre-amp / not amplified...

Your configuration mimics That's how I was planning to place my height speakers (though I could place them differently). So you can't use Auro 3D with that speaker configuration? I only have one Blu-ray with Auro 3D though I've heard their upmixer is pretty good for 2 channel music.

What 5 channel amp are you using?
I'm not sure about the Auro 3D usage, I haven't got that far into it yet. I've just been enjoying the new display(Sony A9F) and AVR combo for the last 3-4 weeks, I'm still focused on getting the display dialed in and then I plan to play with the audio.
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For anyone who is interested, there is now a Dimmer command listed in the Harmony database for the X4500H which works for soft buttons as well as hard buttons depending on how you apply it. Prior to this the only way to dim the front panel was drilling down into the setup menu. The command should work for all recent(10 years?) Denon AVRs.
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For anyone who is interested, there is now a Dimmer command listed in the Harmony database for the X4500H which works for soft buttons as well as hard buttons depending on how you apply it. Prior to this the only way to dim the front panel was drilling down into the setup menu. The command should work for all recent(10 years?) Denon AVRs.


Wow, really!
That’s one of the things that has always annoyed me. Can’t wait to get that working tonight.

Great news, thanks for sharing it!


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I have a basement PS4 gaming set up with a Denon 2500 and presently no subwoofer.
I'm running 7.0 and my main's are full size/range towers rated at 4 ohm's, center is 8 ohm's, surrounds are 6 ohm and lastly my surround back's are also 8 ohm's.
I have the AVR 2500 set at 4 ohm's which deactivates Eco mode.
My question is would setting the 2500 to 6 ohm's get my 4 ohm main towers pumping out more low end energy and would it impact the 2500 negatively?

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I have a basement PS4 gaming set up with a Denon 2500 and presently no subwoofer.
I'm running 7.0 and my main's are full size/range towers rated at 4 ohm's, center is 8 ohm's, surrounds are 6 ohm and lastly my surround back's are also 8 ohm's.
I have the AVR 2500 set at 4 ohm's which deactivates Eco mode.
My question is would setting the 2500 to 6 ohm's get my 4 ohm main towers pumping out more low end energy and would it impact the 2500 negatively?

Thought's?
Selecting a 4 or 6 Ohms setting does nothing but reduce the voltage going to the receiver's amplifiers. That's also what ECO mode does: the 4 Ohms setting is the equivalent of max ECO. The only effect on the sound is to limit the maximum available volume level at all frequencies.

The best way to get quality lower frequencies is to add a subwoofer. Even upgrading your front speakers will have only a limited benefit since the best locations in a room to produce bass frequencies are not the best locations for imaging at higher frequencies.

The low frequencies are limited by the woofer designs of your speakers. Running an Audyssey calibration will provide the best bass. Overdriving the woofers by increasing the bass signal going to them will result in distortions in the sound as well as potentially damaging the woofers, especially if they "bottom out".

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To some extent you can improve the bass-to-treble balance if you use the ($20) Audyssey MultEQ smartphone app and select a frequency response curve with higher bass levels. For details, consult the app's thread at https://www.avsforum.com/forum/90-re...-pre-pros.html
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Selecting a 4 or 6 Ohms setting does nothing but reduce the voltage going to the receiver's amplifiers. That's also what ECO mode does: the 4 Ohms setting is the equivalent of max ECO. The only effect on the sound is to limit the maximum available volume level at all frequencies.

The best way to get quality lower frequencies is to add a subwoofer. Even upgrading your front speakers will have only a limited benefit since the best locations in a room to produce bass frequencies are not the best locations for imaging at higher frequencies.

The low frequencies are limited by the woofer designs of your speakers. Running an Audyssey calibration will provide the best bass. Overdriving the woofers by increasing the bass signal going to them will result in distortions in the sound as well as potentially damaging the woofers, especially if they "bottom out".

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To some extent you can improve the bass-to-treble balance if you use the ($20) Audyssey MultEQ smartphone app and select a frequency response curve with higher bass levels. For details, consult the app's thread at https://www.avsforum.com/forum/90-re...-pre-pros.html
Got it, thanks.
I was just wondering if some more current would translate into some more umph in the low end.
Still I must say that Call of Duty Black Ops 4 is sounding pretty sweet!

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Hi. I just purchased the AVR-X6500H. So far I am very happy with it. But I can't find the remote codes for this receiver. The link at the beginning of this thread seems to be broken and I get the same problem when going through the Denon website.
I'd greatly appreciate if someone can post a copy. Thank you.
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Hi. I just purchased the AVR-X6500H. So far I am very happy with it. But I can't find the remote codes for this receiver. The link at the beginning of this thread seems to be broken and I get the same problem when going through the Denon website.
I'd greatly appreciate if someone can post a copy. Thank you.
The link in post 1 is the same link listed in the X6500H Owner's manual (p. 264) so if it isn't working then the web page must be down.

So the next option would be to look at the X4500H link which does work.

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Got it, thanks.
I was just wondering if some more current would translate into some more umph in the low end.
Still I must say that Call of Duty Black Ops 4 is sounding pretty sweet!
More "umph in the low end" should be handled by the sub which has its own amp.
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new Denon AVR-X4500H

Hi,

I have recently purchased brand new AVR , Denon X4500H, instead of Yamaha RXV 683.
However, after doing calibration on my new Q Acustics 3050i set up, and 2 ceiling Monitor speakers, I really dont see any special sound improvement vs Yamaha RXV 683 (which was about 800 EUR), and new Denon I bought is 1.400 EUR.

I did calibration via Denon mic, and set up , but the sound is somehow plastic.... On top of it, the bass from front speakers (3050i) , is not that strong, and subwoofer (3060i) is only fair, nothing special....Somehow, I miss agility and strength of sound from my new AVR and spakers. Can it be that I should do something with frequencies to improve the sound ? Also, what about crossover on the subwoofer ?

Any suggestion will be very much appreciated.

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Did the speakers sound good with the old receiver?

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Did the speakers sound good with the old receiver?
I had Yamaha NSF-555 /444/333 set up on Yamaha AVR. Then I changed everything, AVR (Denon X4500 instead of Yamaha RXV 683), and speakers (Q aqustics 3050i set instead of Yamaha 555/444/333). The new AVR + speakers are ok, but still, somehow "plastic" , I dont feel the bass that strong when watching the movies...maybe the issue is crossover/frequencies... I have set up all speakers "small" and frequency 80hz , except SUB is LFE+MAIN on 120hz, and ceiling speakers are also 120hz, the rest are 80hz. The living room is about 15m2 of size , and its kind of open space....
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Hope u resolve this and check all channel levels & other items folks mentioned.

Also, just because you spend more $$ on an AVR doesn’t mean sound improvement. Usually means more features, channels & bit more wattage. Reminder wattage has to double to achieve 3 dB increase.

Mid-level Yamaha are very good values and I always felt VG musically & have punch. I have 3 mid-level Yamahas & One Denon and prefer the Yamaha

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I had Yamaha NSF-555 /444/333 set up on Yamaha AVR. Then I changed everything, AVR (Denon X4500 instead of Yamaha RXV 683), and speakers (Q aqustics 3050i set instead of Yamaha 555/444/333). The new AVR + speakers are ok, but still, somehow "plastic" , I dont feel the bass that strong when watching the movies...maybe the issue is crossover/frequencies... I have set up all speakers "small" and frequency 80hz , except SUB is LFE+MAIN on 120hz, and ceiling speakers are also 120hz, the rest are 80hz. The living room is about 15m2 of size , and its kind of open space....
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The link in post 1 is the same link listed in the X6500H Owner's manual (p. 264) so if it isn't working then the web page must be down.

So the next option would be to look at the X4500H link which does work.

Thanks for your reply. Perhaps I should be more specific in my request. I am looking for the AVR-X6500H remote code that will work with the Oppo BDP-103.

The remote codes for this receiver are unavailable on the denon website. Oddly, the codes for the 4500 do not list Oppo and the code given for the 8500 does not seem to work for me.
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I just had eye surgery so please don't mind a couple mistakes.
Would anybody care to tell me any advantages or disadvantages between the x3500 and the Yamaha a1080?
Most important to me is 4K passthrough, preouts, 2 sub preouts hopefully independent.

If there are any links iwith comparisons please feel free is it's been discussed already.
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Thanks for your reply. Perhaps I should be more specific in my request. I am looking for the AVR-X6500H remote code that will work with the Oppo BDP-103.

The remote codes for this receiver are unavailable on the denon website. Oddly, the codes for the 4500 do not list Oppo and the code given for the 8500 does not seem to work for me.
Thanks again.
AFAIK, only the Denon flagship models have ever listed the Oppo code 32545 so if that doesn't work …. well, time for a Harmony remote.

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AFAIK, only the Denon flagship models have ever listed the Oppo code 32545 so if that doesn't work …. well, time for a Harmony remote.
Thanks for that. Maybe Denon can offer me a solution.
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I'd say the 3500 stacks up better against the A880 but it's a tough call. If you can get them both at the same price point I personally would go with the A1080. I love my 1020's.

If it's between the A880 and the X3500H I'd say Chevy/Ford

Scroll down after clicking this link for a 4 way comparison.
https://www.crutchfield.com/Product/...Item=022RXA880

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Would anybody care to tell me any advantages or disadvantages between the x3500 and the Yamaha a1080?
Most important to me is 4K passthrough, preouts, 2 sub preouts hopefully independent.

If there are any links iwith comparisons please feel free is it's been discussed already.
Thanks.

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I just had eye surgery so please don't mind a couple mistakes.
Would anybody care to tell me any advantages or disadvantages between the x3500 and the Yamaha a1080?
Most important to me is 4K passthrough, preouts, 2 sub preouts hopefully independent.

If there are any links iwith comparisons please feel free is it's been discussed already.
Thanks.
These are comparable units with similar features for the most part, although each has a few advantages the other does not:

X3500H - arguably the better EQ (XT32); dual sub EQ (independent level/delay)

A1080 - able to store 2 EQ patterns; 27 DSP modes (esp Sci Fi, Adventure, Enhanced); stream audio to Bluetooth headphones

Note however, you would have to step up to the A2080 for dual sub EQ (independent level/delay), so for your use case, the X3500H gets the nod.
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thanks a lot, I took a look at it shortly, I can see a lot of good points and advices.
Still, can you tell me why Dolby Vision movies , when I go to "video info" options , says RGB 8-bit, and when it is HDR , it is 12-bit 4:4:4. I thought that Dolby Vision is more vivid color, but in my case its worster. Any suggestions?
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I'd say the 3500 stacks up better against the A880 but it's a tough call. If you can get them both at the same price point I personally would go with the A1080. I love my 1020's.

If it's between the A880 and the X3500H I'd say Chevy/Ford

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These are comparable units with similar features for the most part, although each has a few advantages the other does not:

X3500H - arguably the better EQ (XT32); dual sub EQ (independent level/delay)

A1080 - able to store 2 EQ patterns; 27 DSP modes (esp Sci Fi, Adventure, Enhanced); stream audio to Bluetooth headphones

Note however, you would have to step up to the A2080 for dual sub EQ (independent level/delay), so for your use case, the X3500H gets the nod.

Thanks guys. The Denon is also $600 cheaper here right now at $999.
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Just ordered the DENON AVR-X4500H.
Found one for a couple hundred more than the 3500.
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