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post #2761 of 4242 Old 03-18-2019, 09:32 AM
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I am a little perplexed. I ran Audyssey on the 3500 yesterday. Everything went fine. A while later I went into manual speaker menu to set my speaker config. to small on all speakers and set my crossover to 80Hz on all.

Then today while looking through the Audio menu I noticed that under the Audyssey submenu MulltEQ XT32 was listed as OFF. I was not expecting that. Why wasn't set to one of the ON positions, like Reference? Did changing a couple of things as mentioned in the paragraph above cause Audyssey to turn OFF?
The only thing I can think of that would grey out Audyssey (if you didn't turn it off accidentally on the AUDIO menu) is if you change from say something from 5.1 speaker setup to 7.1, 5.1.2, 5.1.4 or 7.1.4 on the Amp Configuration. Meaning if you increased the number of speakers measured by Audyssey initially, then Audyssey will show greyed out as an indication that the new speakers haven't been measured.

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The only thing I can think of that would grey out Audyssey (if you didn't turn it off accidentally on the AUDIO menu) is if you change from say something from 5.1 speaker setup to 7.1, 5.1.2, 5.1.4 or 7.1.4 on the Amp Configuration. Meaning if you increased the number of speakers measured by Audyssey initially, then Audyssey will show greyed out as an indication that the new speakers haven't been measured.
Audyssey wasn't greyed out. When I went into the Audio mode and clicked Audyssey it gave me an options menu. It was set to OFF at that point, but I was able to choose either Reference or Flat. I then chose Reference.

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My tv is also a Samsung so that could be the issue? Hopefully there's a fix for it as changing from movie mode to Game mode and back again is not a simple click on the remote. And I switch between the two quite often.

Hi b0rnarian, use Monitor 2 out to TV HDMI input 2. Then set Denon input for PS4 to game mode and TV to game mode.
Anyway I can make sure the Monitor 2 is set only to HDMI port 4 (Game)?

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Anyway I can make sure the Monitor 2 is set only to HDMI port 4 (Game)?
Hi b0rnarian, my Harmony remote does all the switching. It select Game Input on the receiver and HDMI Input 2 on Samsung TV.

Receiver Monitor 2 Out > Samsung TV HDMI Input 2

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Video Output to Auto (Dual) which is default setting (go to Video > HDMI Setup > Video Output > Auto (Dual)

Select HDMI 4 input then set Video Mode to Game (go to Video > Output Settings > Video Mode > Game)

My Samsung setting: not sure your TV menu is the same or not
Select HDMI 2 input then set Game Mode to on (Settings > General > External Device Manager > Game Mode > On)
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I am a little perplexed. I ran Audyssey on the 3500 yesterday. Everything went fine. A while later I went into manual speaker menu to set my speaker config. to small on all speakers and set my crossover to 80Hz on all.

Then today while looking through the Audio menu I noticed that under the Audyssey submenu MulltEQ XT32 was listed as OFF. I was not expecting that. Why wasn't set to one of the ON positions, like Reference? Did changing a couple of things as mentioned in the paragraph above cause Audyssey to turn OFF?
I have experienced the same behavior on my X1500H, after some investigation I have determined that Audyssey was disabled after an automatic firmware update - by the logs that the update left on my USB flash stick that is permanently connected to the front USB port of the AVR.
Must be an update glitch..., at least on my unit...

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I'm really loving my X6500H receiver so far.

Hopefully this receiver will be my workhorse for years to come. It seems future proof enough, at least until 8K TV's become as normalized as 4K TVs are at the present time and HDMI 2.1 hardware is actually something anyone needs. Having eARC and ALLM on board is sufficient for the foreseeable future.

But all in all, I'm happy with it and I think I'm back to being a D&M guy again.
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Anyway I can make sure the Monitor 2 is set only to HDMI port 4 (Game)?
Hi b0rnarian, my Harmony remote does all the switching. It select Game Input on the receiver and HDMI Input 2 on Samsung TV.

Receiver Monitor 2 Out > Samsung TV HDMI Input 2

My receiver settings:
Video Output to Auto (Dual) which is default setting (go to Video > HDMI Setup > Video Output > Auto (Dual)

Select HDMI 4 input then set Video Mode to Game (go to Video > Output Settings > Video Mode > Game)

My Samsung setting: not sure your TV menu is the same or not
Select HDMI 2 input then set Game Mode to on (Settings > General > External Device Manager > Game Mode > On)
Thank you jchin! I have the same settings but what was messing eveything up was the CEC setting on the reciever. Had screen blackouts when changing sources and sometimes even wrong sources? Once I turned it off, everything went bk to normal. I dont cec anyways as I myself using a Harmony 650. Once I have everything dialed in, I will put away the Denon remote. (Set it and forget it).

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I have experienced the same behavior on my X1500H, after some investigation I have determined that Audyssey was disabled after an automatic firmware update - by the logs that the update left on my USB flash stick that is permanently connected to the front USB port of the AVR.
Must be an update glitch..., at least on my unit...
I noticed this happened as well the other day. I don't know what actually caused it but I happened to be looking at the Info page in the Android tablet app and saw that Audyssey was Off. I've had Audyssey equipped Denons for years and never noticed that happening before.
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Denon X3500H Volume issues

I recently replaced my Denon 2100 with the Denon 3500. On the 2100 I used to keep the volume around 40 when watching TV. Now with the 3500 I am consistently around 70 and its still too low. This is driving me insane.I am running a 7.1 setup and I used Audessy to setup the speakers.

Any ideas on what settings could be messing me up?

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Denon avr-x4500 issue (sound only and terrupted picture) with Technicolor 4k receiver

Hi everyone, i am having an issue with my sat receiver and Denon AvR-x4500

Sound is there but picture is interrupted.

Tried another source, different hdmi nothing worked.

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Denon AVR-X3500H | not really liking it

On Monday I transitioned from an Onkyo NR809 to a Denon AVR-X3500H to finally run everything through a receiver with 4K HDR passthru + hi-res audio decoding. Nothing was broken; I didn’t “need” to get this receiver. I never liked that I couldn’t get TrueHD and DTS-HD MA at the NR809 and 4K HDR passthru, so I had my source input devices connected to my TV w/core DTS and Dolby Digital pastthru to the 809. My TV doesn’t passthru hi res audio formats - that is why I bought the Denon.

My only complaint about the Denon: it sounds like **** with and without the calibration/room EQ. I’m not even using the receiver’s amp, I’m using a 200W RMS per ch Rotel RMB-1095 and have been using the Onkyo this way also. With the Onkyo, my speakers hauled ass and were thunderous, running all channels full range with no EQ or calibration. With the new Denon, my Rotel no longer grabs my speakers by the balls and lifts them up in the air.

I’m making an honest effort to recreate the sound experience the NR809 provides. How do I get the audio thunder out of this Denon? Do they not make receivers/processors like they used to?


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Thank you for posting this. I just migrated to the same receiver on Monday and I’m experiencing the same on mine, with and without calibration/room EQ. I’m using an external amp not the receiver’s amp.

Seems like this receiver leaves much to be desired in the sound department.




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I noticed this happened as well the other day. I don't know what actually caused it but I happened to be looking at the Info page in the Android tablet app and saw that Audyssey was Off. I've had Audyssey equipped Denons for years and never noticed that happening before.
Members who posted these reports should not feel alone. My X3400 (yeah, different year but same symptom) did that me also. And -- it appears that Audyssey has to be turned back on individually for each input that you use.

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I currently run a Denon AVR2809 feeding a Rotel 5-ch Power amp through the pre-outs. Rest of the system is: LG OLED display; main 4K sources are LG 4K blu-ray player, Nvidia Shield; HD sources: Tivo, PS3. Currently the 4K sources have to run HDMI directly to the TV and source for those goes back to the receiver via optical cable, so I lose lossless audio if I watch 4K.

I want to get 4K and possibly Atmos capability on the receiver as well as get lossless audio capability back, so am considering the X3500 or X4500 as an upgrade. The speaker setup I have currently is 5.1 but I'd like to get to 7.1 on regular surround and then add Atmos above later.

From what I understand, the X3500 can only do 7 channels, even with the external amp, so I could only do 5.1 with 2 ceiling speakers. If I want to do 7.1 with 2 ceiling later, I have to go to the x4500. Is this correct?

Since I have the external amp, could the x4500 also run 4 ceiling speakers?

Also, is there anything coming down the pipeline for the next year's model that I'd regret not waiting for? For example, newer HDMI revision, etc?
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I currently run a Denon AVR2809 feeding a Rotel 5-ch Power amp through the pre-outs. Rest of the system is: LG OLED display; main 4K sources are LG 4K blu-ray player, Nvidia Shield; HD sources: Tivo, PS3. Currently the 4K sources have to run HDMI directly to the TV and source for those goes back to the receiver via optical cable, so I lose lossless audio if I watch 4K.

I want to get 4K and possibly Atmos capability on the receiver as well as get lossless audio capability back, so am considering the X3500 or X4500 as an upgrade. The speaker setup I have currently is 5.1 but I'd like to get to 7.1 on regular surround and then add Atmos above later.

From what I understand, the X3500 can only do 7 channels, even with the external amp, so I could only do 5.1 with 2 ceiling speakers. If I want to do 7.1 with 2 ceiling later, I have to go to the x4500. Is this correct?

Since I have the external amp, could the x4500 also run 4 ceiling speakers?

Also, is there anything coming down the pipeline for the next year's model that I'd regret not waiting for? For example, newer HDMI revision, etc?
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I currently run a Denon AVR2809 feeding a Rotel 5-ch Power amp through the pre-outs. Rest of the system is: LG OLED display; main 4K sources are LG 4K blu-ray player, Nvidia Shield; HD sources: Tivo, PS3. Currently the 4K sources have to run HDMI directly to the TV and source for those goes back to the receiver via optical cable, so I lose lossless audio if I watch 4K.

I want to get 4K and possibly Atmos capability on the receiver as well as get lossless audio capability back, so am considering the X3500 or X4500 as an upgrade. The speaker setup I have currently is 5.1 but I'd like to get to 7.1 on regular surround and then add Atmos above later.

From what I understand, the X3500 can only do 7 channels, even with the external amp, so I could only do 5.1 with 2 ceiling speakers. If I want to do 7.1 with 2 ceiling later, I have to go to the x4500. Is this correct?

Since I have the external amp, could the x4500 also run 4 ceiling speakers?

Also, is there anything coming down the pipeline for the next year's model that I'd regret not waiting for? For example, newer HDMI revision, etc?
HDMI 2.1 models are not expected to be released until 2020.
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I recently replaced my Denon 2100 with the Denon 3500. On the 2100 I used to keep the volume around 40 when watching TV. Now with the 3500 I am consistently around 70 and its still too low. This is driving me insane.I am running a 7.1 setup and I used Audessy to setup the speakers.

Any ideas on what settings could be messing me up?
What did Audyssey set the speaker trims to? What are the crossovers set at? Change the volume to relative so that it displays -db numbers.
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My buddy still has an 809 and they were like 40 lbs right, with a ton of power?

The x3500 has better room corection and with external amps should sound awesome. I think @Kini62 responded in your other post, his idea was to look at your audyssey setup, something might be amiss?
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I recently replaced my Denon 2100 with the Denon 3500. On the 2100 I used to keep the volume around 40 when watching TV. Now with the 3500 I am consistently around 70 and its still too low. This is driving me insane.I am running a 7.1 setup and I used Audessy to setup the speakers.

Any ideas on what settings could be messing me up?
“70”, shows as -10db on my 3500, should be plenty loud if configured properly and no hardware issues.

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Hello all,


I just got a Denon AVR-S540BT and am having a weird issue that I haven't been able to resolve...


I have my Roku Premiere plugged into one of the 4K HDMI slots and it's plugged in to USB on the TV so the Roku turns on when the TV turns on. Anyways - If I'm on another input it just auto switches to the Roku once the Roku is finished booting up. It also auto switches to the Roku when the Roku screensaver kicks on. So it seems to detect change of visual on that input and auto-switches to it... This is very annoying! I went into the Denon Video settings and turned everything off except for ARC support - so HDMI control is off. I have also turned off "1 touch support" on the Roku which is supposed to be their CEC solution, but it still auto-switches to the Roku at the same times. Am I missing a setting on the Denon (or the Roku)? Someone help, PLEASE!


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On Monday I transitioned from an Onkyo NR809 to a Denon AVR-X3500H to finally run everything through a receiver with 4K HDR passthru + hi-res audio decoding. Nothing was broken; I didn’t “need” to get this receiver. I never liked that I couldn’t get TrueHD and DTS-HD MA at the NR809 and 4K HDR passthru, so I had my source input devices connected to my TV w/core DTS and Dolby Digital pastthru to the 809. My TV doesn’t passthru hi res audio formats - that is why I bought the Denon.

My only complaint about the Denon: it sounds like **** with and without the calibration/room EQ. I’m not even using the receiver’s amp, I’m using a 200W RMS per ch Rotel RMB-1095 and have been using the Onkyo this way also. With the Onkyo, my speakers hauled ass and were thunderous, running all channels full range with no EQ or calibration. With the new Denon, my Rotel no longer grabs my speakers by the balls and lifts them up in the air.

I’m making an honest effort to recreate the sound experience the NR809 provides. How do I get the audio thunder out of this Denon? Do they not make receivers/processors like they used to?


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What are your normal listening levels? Under setup->speakers->manual setup->bass setting is it correctly set to LFE and not LFE+Mains? All speakers set to Small and crossed over at 80HZ? Tried Dynamic EQ with the varying Reference Level Offsets (0dB as default )? What was the subwoofers post Audyssey level offset (+-12dB) under setup->speakers->manual setup->levels->test tones? subwoofer's physical low pass knob set all the way to its max setting?

Did you try a close mic pattern when running Audyssey setup (all within 1 foot of the first center of head measurement location) and did you run all 8 mic positions with none taken behind your MLP or within 18 inches of a boundary wall or seatback? I do 3 in line with my center of head location then another 3 a foot ahead of the first 3 then the last 2 a foot above number 2 and 3 (right and left ear location.) Most boost their post Audyssey sub level offsets under test tones several dB as long as the offset was originally set under 0dB but still above -12dB. You're never going to totally recreate one receiver manufacture's sound signature with another. Might get close but best to listen to any new audio setup for at least a week to get your ears used to the different room correction plus time to tweak with the settings. You weren't using the double bass setting on the Onkyo by any chance?

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I recently replaced my Denon 2100 with the Denon 3500. On the 2100 I used to keep the volume around 40 when watching TV. Now with the 3500 I am consistently around 70 and its still too low. This is driving me insane.I am running a 7.1 setup and I used Audessy to setup the speakers.



Any ideas on what settings could be messing me up?
Did you use Dynamic Volume on the 2100? Are all speakers set to Small and crossed over at 80HZ?

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Hi everyone, i am having an issue with my sat receiver and Denon AvR-x4500



Sound is there but picture is interrupted.



Tried another source, different hdmi nothing worked.



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Do you have the receiver set to it's default Standard HDMI setting(for non 4K older cable/sat boxes) or Enhanced? What's the longest length of HDMI cable run and do any of them run through keystone jacks in the wall? If not also try the closest HDMI input to the receiver's HDMI output as a troubleshoot.

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What did Audyssey set the speaker trims to? What are the crossovers set at? Change the volume to relative so that it displays -db numbers.
I did notice the speaker distances seem to be close to double what they actually are from were I am seated also.
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Did you use Dynamic Volume on the 2100? Are all speakers set to Small and crossed over at 80HZ?
I honestly do not remember if I used Dynamic on the 2100.

My front speakers are full size floor speakers the rest are small.
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I did notice the speaker distances seem to be close to double what they actually are from were I am seated also.
Other than a subwoofer showing a longer physical distance due to delays in the sub amps DSP passive speakers should be set close to their physical distance by Audyssey even accounting for the room. I'd either rerun Audyssey or get a tape measure and measure from your MLP to the front baffle of each speaker and set the distances other than the sub manually. They shouldn't be set by Audyssey at twice their actual distance.

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I honestly do not remember if I used Dynamic on the 2100.



My front speakers are full size floor speakers the rest are small.
Got it. With a subwoofer in the mix you should not run the mains full range even if they are towers. Cross them over at 80HZ and set them to Small in the manual setup->speaker config section. I have capable towers as well in my setup both set to Small crossed over at 80HZ with dual subwoofers.
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Do you have the receiver set to it's default Standard HDMI setting(for non 4K older cable/sat boxes) or Enhanced? What's the longest length of HDMI cable run and do any of them run through keystone jacks in the wall? If not also try the closest HDMI input to the receiver's HDMI output as a troubleshoot.

thanks Madmax67,


yes it was set to default standard setting, i tried different lengths between 1.5m to 2.5m.



funny thing happened this morning, yesterday when i was trying to solve it, i must have left the HDMI cable unconnected, today, i wanted to do some test, so i started with the same same cable i initially used, and it worked!, i read somewhere, someone had the same issue, and he did the same mistake not connecting the HDMI cable and left the AV receiver off for a while.

BTW... this is my first AV receiver


thanks for the help
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thanks Madmax67,





yes it was set to default standard setting, i tried different lengths between 1.5m to 2.5m.







funny thing happened this morning, yesterday when i was trying to solve it, i must have left the HDMI cable unconnected, today, i wanted to do some test, so i started with the same same cable i initially used, and it worked!, i read somewhere, someone had the same issue, and he did the same mistake not connecting the HDMI cable and left the AV receiver off for a while.



BTW... this is my first AV receiver





thanks for the help
No problem. I once forgot to plug my front right tower speaker's banana plugs back into the binding posts during a speaker move so I had a nice mono setup going on for a while with no clue. It happens to us all.

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I'm looking to make the 4K jump this year (replacing a 12 year old Sony SXRD that has served me well) with either a 2019 LG OLED or Samsung QLED. Which means first replacing my Denon 4308 to pass the higher bandwidth signals. Clearly I don't upgrade often, so I was a bit disappointed to see the 2019 Denon line up not including full HDMI 2.1 for future proofing (short of the 8500 that I believe will be eligible for a hardware upgrade). Granted, we are probably along way from actually needing a full 2.1 feature set. So it's not a deal breaker. Which leaves me with looking at the 4500 or 6500.

It seems like the 6500 would be parity for my 4308, spec wise. But I'm still running 5.1 (with no immediate plans to expand that), so in theory the 4500 would be fine, if not slightly under powered compared to my 4308. Would I really notice the power difference on the 4500? My speakers are Paradigms - Monitor 7s up front, cc370 center, mini monitors for surround, and a ps1000 sub. I don't know what versions they are, but they were purchased around 2005/06, so what ever version was around back then. If it maters, my main usage is probably 50% gaming/30% television/15% movies/5% music. I don't usually crank it, but occasionally bump the volume up from time to time.

Any advice or feedback would be greatly appreciated.

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