Originally Posted by f00fighters
I originally bought the Yamaha RX-V585 Receiver from amazon for $350, and I was very happy with the way it sounded with my Pioneer Andrew Jones budget speakers with Klipsch 10” sub. It took me several days, but I got the sound to wear it put a smile on my face with movies and music. All speakers were set to Large, with extended bass enabled that allowed me to utilize my Klipsch sub at the same time with a 60hz crossover setting. There was a sparkle and realism that I'm not able to replicate with the Yamaha TSR-7850.
I got greedy, and I saw Costco offering the Yamaha TSR-7850 on sale for $400. I figured I could replicate the same settings and get the same sound, and have a receiver that’s more powerful and somewhat future proofed. I believe the TSR-7850 is considered an Aventage receiver, but it has more options than I know what to do with. I cannot replicate that same amazing sound that I was able to get from the 585. I took pictures of all my 585 settings prior to returning it. Also, the price of the 585 has gone back up to $450-$499.
The TSR-7850 has a different OS, and while I can set the speakers to large, and select extended bass to utilize my sub simultaneously, there’s no option for crossover adjustment - or it’s buried deep where I can’t find it.
I have a 5.1 system
Front L/R: Pioneer Andrew Jones Floor Speakers - FS52
Center: Pioneer Andrew Jones Center - C22
Surround L/R: Pioneer Andrew Jones Bookshelf Speakers - BS22
Sub: Klipsch 10SW
Additional Settings on the 7850, which is not present on the 585:
Different YPAO modes - Flat, Front, Natural, Manual, Through
Virtual Back Speaker: On/Off?
Is there a way to adjust crossover when speakers are set to large on the 7850?
Which YPAO mode will give the sonic characteristics as that present on the V585
And what should Virtual Back speaker be set too, to mimic that of the 585?
I tried to match all other settings, like speakers distance, and levels to that of the 585, but I’m not sure what difference that made. Would appreciate any help I can get. I hate this feeling of buyer's remorse.
A correction and hopefully some help...
The 7850 is not an Aventage receiver, they all have 5 feet - while the 7850 only has 4... it's effectively a re-badged RX-V685.
Crossover adjustment only works when the speaker is set to 'small'.
When you set your speakers to 'large' all low frequency signals will be sent to the speakers and not the subwoofer.
Basically, if you want to adjust your crossover via the AVR you'll need to go to "Speaker > Configuration > (speaker) > Crossover.
Sadly you were mistaken to think that your RX-V585 offered crossover adjustment when your speakers were set to large, page 85 of the RX-V585 manual states that crossover adjustment can only be performed by the AVR when the speakers are set to 'small'.
You may have originally set your speakers to small on your 585, then changed the speakers to full bandwidth (large)... but the setting isn't in effect when set to large.
Now a potential solution is for you to setup the crossover on the back of your Klipsch sub to 60Hz.
Many people HATE the Extra Bass function as it sounds bloated, but if you like it, go for it. Remember, by setting your speakers to small you're pushing a budget pair of speakers to do bass while the sub kicks in at the same time. You'd be better off getting better fronts or replacing / another subwoofer.
However, if you're chasing 'sparkle', then it has little to do with bass and a lot more to do with the soft dome tweeters on your Pioneer speakers...
Re: virtual surround, most people say to turn it off... but it's your room, your ears and your call.
Re: YPAO options, fiddle to your hearts content.