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post #631 of 1007 Old 03-12-2019, 07:34 PM - Thread Starter
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In regards to my previous post about pairing a vintage Marantz SR-96 with the SR5013. This is the Marantz tech answer. "From the 5013, it's easy. Simply connect a set of RCA cables (red and white) from the 5013's Front L/R pre-outs to the SR96's MAIN IN Front L/R inputs. This is the SR96's power amp input. You will have to remove the jumper on the Front L/R inputs on the SR96 to use it.

At that point, the volume is controlled by the 5013 and the SR96 simply becomes a power amp.

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I could of swore I tried that also but maybe not. I don't think I would have to change the "amp assign" on the SR5013 to do this although the Marantz reply does not mention that so I assume I can leave it alone.
The SR5013 pre-outs are always hot so there is no specific AMP ASSIGN required when using an external amp.
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Just purchased an SR6013 and so far have been very pleased with it. The one thing that is bothering me a bit is the sub-woofer. As it is set to LFE, it does not replicate what is in the front speakers. I have full range fronts but I am quite sure that they are missing some of the punch that the sub would add. However, I read stories recommending not to have front speaker signal sent to LFE. I have tested both ways trying to ascertain if I lose musical quality when adding front to LFE but am at a loss. Not sure what the best thing to do is as even dolby pro-logic tracks won't go to the sub unless I specifically allow it to get front channel. What are other people doing? What is the "right" thing to do for the best sound. FYI, my front speakers go down to 30hz natively according to specs...
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Just purchased an SR6013 and so far have been very pleased with it. The one thing that is bothering me a bit is the sub-woofer. As it is set to LFE, it does not replicate what is in the front speakers. I have full range fronts but I am quite sure that they are missing some of the punch that the sub would add. However, I read stories recommending not to have front speaker signal sent to LFE. I have tested both ways trying to ascertain if I lose musical quality when adding front to LFE but am at a loss. Not sure what the best thing to do is as even dolby pro-logic tracks won't go to the sub unless I specifically allow it to get front channel. What are other people doing? What is the "right" thing to do for the best sound. FYI, my front speakers go down to 30hz natively according to specs...
First note that the speaker specs are based on the mfr testing in an anechoic chamber, whereas how they react in the room you have placed them in can be very different.

Second, after running Audyssey, most owners will find bass to be fairly low so will generally want to boost the Subwoofer Level Adjust setting about +5dB on average (but at least to suit your preference). This setting will apply to all sources whereas the Option - Channel Level Adjust - Subwoofer will only apply to the particular source that is currently selected.

Third, when there is a sub in the setup, the general recommendation is to set the Front to SMALL/80Hz as the sub is generally not only better able to handle the lower frequencies but also is able to be better relocated whereas the built in subs in tower speakers are stuck in place. Note also that in order for the Subwoofer = LFE+MAIN to have any effect, the Front must be set to LARGE with some crossover setting (eg. 40Hz or 60Hz). Although doing so is known as "double bass" (because the sub is now duplicating the lower frequencies sent to the Front speakers) and generally not recommended as the resulting sound can often be too boomy, as it's your setup, the "right thing to do" is what you want to do, not what others are doing.
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First note that the speaker specs are based on the mfr testing in an anechoic chamber, whereas how they react in the room you have placed them in can be very different.

Second, after running Audyssey, most owners will find bass to be fairly low so will generally want to boost the Subwoofer Level Adjust setting about +5dB on average (but at least to suit your preference). This setting will apply to all sources whereas the Option - Channel Level Adjust - Subwoofer will only apply to the particular source that is currently selected.

Third, when there is a sub in the setup, the general recommendation is to set the Front to SMALL/80Hz as the sub is generally not only better able to handle the lower frequencies but also is able to be better relocated whereas the built in subs in tower speakers are stuck in place. Note also that in order for the Subwoofer = LFE+MAIN to have any effect, the Front must be set to LARGE with some crossover setting (eg. 40Hz or 60Hz). Although doing so is known as "double bass" (because the sub is now duplicating the lower frequencies sent to the Front speakers) and generally not recommended as the resulting sound can often be too boomy, as it's your setup, the "right thing to do" is what you want to do, not what others are doing.
In changing fronts to use a cross-over at small, will that completely cut out the bass below that frequency? Or will some of it still bleed through to the mains, which are still quite capable, though not quite as good as the sub at low frequencies?
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Like all Xover, this is not a ON-OFF affair at the reference frequency, but rather a -xdB per octave filter, so something looking like that :

Not 100% sure, but i think i saw somewhere most AVRs implement LR2 filter with -12 dB per octave

Whatever the actual filter implementation, yes some signal will still be in front speakers below the chosen frequency.
Where i would slightly differ from JD response is that he says "choose 80" where is say "choose manufacturer frequency*1.5" which is half octave over specs.
In your case, this would mean the nearest setting to 45, so "small and 40 Hz"
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Like all Xover, this is not a ON-OFF affair at the reference frequency, but rather a -xdB per octave filter, so something looking like that :

Not 100% sure, but i think i saw somewhere most AVRs implement LR2 filter with -12 dB per octave

Whatever the actual filter implementation, yes some signal will still be in front speakers below the chosen frequency.
Where i would slightly differ from JD response is that he says "choose 80" where is say "choose manufacturer frequency*1.5" which is half octave over specs.
In your case, this would mean the nearest setting to 45, so "small and 40 Hz"
Wow, this is great information! Can't wait to get home and tinker. Thanks all!
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Hey Guys and Gals, My problem with no sound when setting up my vintage SR-96 as a power amp to drive my front speakers has been solved. It was fairly simple as I did not realize that I needed to use the main pre-ins on the 96. So all good now with that. The sound is noticeably improved with running the 96 to drive the fronts and the SR5013 to power the rest. The SR96 never gets more than slightly warm and the SR5013 is running significantly cooler, even at 0db and slightly higher volume settings. My front NHT 2.5i's have more punch and I can listen at higher volume levels with no distortion. I am getting a SR7013 tomorrow and will configure the 5.1 system to have the 7013 power the L/R front and the SR96 will be assigned to the center and surrounds. I also have ordered a power conditioner to clean up the power. I expect some noticeable improvements. I have been trying to get smart on room correction and may play with that a bit also. Maybe I will pull my JBL-112's out of storage and play with those a bit. I bought them new in 1985 and rebuilt them about a month ago and I still love their sound!
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A few notable feature upgrades going with the SR6013 over the SR5013/SR5012 include Audyssey MultEQ XT32, eARC, and the new IMAX Enhanced DTS:X (SR6013 only). Review post 1 to determine if the difference in price is worth it to you for these additional features, otherwise, the SR5012/SR5013 would make good choices as well.
I considered the 12 and 13 models along with 5, 6, and 7 series.

Ended up going with the SR6012. Seems to have all the features I would want to use, ample power, moderate price point (accessories4less). Thanks for the input!
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I considered the 12 and 13 models along with 5, 6, and 7 series.

Ended up going with the SR6012. Seems to have all the features I would want to use, ample power, moderate price point. Thanks for the input!
Surprised those are still around.........
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Trouble with Dolby vision, Apple TV 4K, and LG B7A

So just got my 4k Apple TV and marantz sr6012. Connected my Apple TV 4K via each of my hdmi high speed cables directly to my television and got the prompt to enable Dolby vision. However when using the same cables through the sr6012, I only get 4K hdr 60hz. Not Dolby vision. Color is set to 4:2:2, not 4:4:4, which is what I get when going direct from Apple TV 4K to the lg b7a direct with the SAME cables. Already went through troubleshooting g with Apple support, marantz support seems to be closed for the day. Anyone have any recommendations?
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Trouble with Dolby vision, Apple TV 4K, and LG B7A

So just got my 4k Apple TV and marantz sr6012. Connected my Apple TV 4K via each of my hdmi high speed cables directly to my television and got the prompt to enable Dolby vision. However when using the same cables through the sr6012, I only get 4K hdr 60hz. Not Dolby vision. Color is set to 4:2:2, not 4:4:4, which is what I get when going direct from Apple TV 4K to the lg b7a direct with the SAME cables. Already went through troubleshooting g with Apple support, marantz support seems to be closed for the day. Anyone have any recommendations?
Oops! Wrong thread. Please repost in the 2017 Marantz Owner's thread.

https://www.avsforum.com/forum/90-re...-s-thread.html
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Hi.


I would like to request information , I have a serious intention to buy a Marantz SR7013 , the question is , with a Pioneer SC-LX56 receiver in my possession.Could I have the possibility of making a connection PRE-OUT to expand the Marantz SR7013 to 11ch. without having to buy an external power amplifier ?
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I would like to request information , I have a serious intention to buy a Marantz SR7013 , the question is , with a Pioneer SC-LX56 receiver in my possession.Could I have the possibility of making a connection PRE-OUT to expand the Marantz SR7013 to 11ch. without having to buy an external power amplifier ?
Yes.
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if you can , how should i proceed for the connection side Pioneer SC-LX50 and Marantz SR7013 ? I would like to that the receiver Pioneer SC-LX50 drive the front speakers and the rest of the speakers to the Marantz SR7013 for a multi-channel system Dolby Atmos 7.1.4.



Thanks for any suggestions on the possible connection between the two receivers through PRE OUT.
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if you can , how should i proceed for the connection side Pioneer SC-LX50 and Marantz SR7013 ? I would like to that the receiver Pioneer SC-LX50 drive the front speakers and the rest of the speakers to the Marantz SR7013 for a multi-channel system Dolby Atmos 7.1.4.



Thanks for any suggestions on the possible connection between the two receivers through PRE OUT.
With the Pioneer and Marantz both powered OFF, if the Pioneer has multi analog inputs, connect the SR7013 Front L/R pre-outs to the Pioneer Front L/R multi analog inputs. Power on the Pioneer and raise the Pioneer volume to 80% of maximum. Power on the SR7013 and set AMP ASSIGN = 11.1 and ensure the speaker setup is correct based on your desired configuration. Run Audyssey.

Otherwise, if there are no multi analog inputs …

With the Pioneer and Marantz both powered OFF, connect the SR7013 Front L/R pre-outs to any set of stereo analog inputs (other than PHONO) on the Pioneer. Power on the Pioneer and raise the Pioneer volume to 80% of maximum. Select whatever source input the RCA cables are connected to on the Pioneer and set the surround mode to DIRECT. Power on the SR7013 and set AMP ASSIGN = 11.1 and ensure the speaker setup is correct based on your desired configuration. Run Audyssey.

In both of the above use cases, the Front L/R speakers are connected to the Pioneer Front L/R speaker posts.
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Thank you very much . Much appreciated on my part , I feel very relieved in being able to take advantage of my pioneer SC-lx56 to add two more channels.


this is the back of the Pioneer SC-lx56 https://imgur.com/m0DTB22
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Pioneer volume to 80% of maximum. as I note this percentage of 80% ? I have these values in db : maximum +12.0 db / minimum - 80.0 db
Thanks again for the support.
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Thank you very much . Much appreciated on my part , I feel very relieved in being able to take advantage of my pioneer SC-lx56 to add two more channels.


this is the back of the Pioneer SC-lx56 https://imgur.com/m0DTB22
So then no multi analog inputs, therefore just use one of the stereo analog inputs (eg. DVD).

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Pioneer volume to 80% of maximum. as I note this percentage of 80% ? I have these values in db : maximum +12.0 db / minimum - 80.0 db
Thanks again for the support.
So then use master volume 0dB.
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Thanks again for the valuable support. in truth I didn't really think that a Sintoamplificator as the Pioneer SC-LX56 could do the job for adding two more channels as a specific power amplifier dedicated.
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I forgot , in general, how to behave to assign the right impedance in ohm to the SR7013 , if you have speakers with impedance in ohm different. for example , different speakers in 4 ohm and 6 ohm or 8 ohm and 6 ohm etc... to configure on Sintoamplificator SR7013 ?
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I forgot , in general, how to behave to assign the right impedance in ohm to the SR7013 , if you have speakers with impedance in ohm different. for example , different speakers in 4 ohm and 6 ohm or 8 ohm and 6 ohm etc... to configure on Sintoamplificator SR7013 ?
No change in setting suggested as doing so simply limits current flow.
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I'm sorry , I didn't understand what you mean , if I have speakers with different impedance in ohm , I have to leave it to default impedance in ohm for Marantz SR7013 , it's correct ?
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I'm sorry , I didn't understand what you mean , if I have speakers with different impedance in ohm , I have to leave it to default impedance in ohm for Marantz SR7013 , it's correct ?
Yes, that is correct.
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Hi, question, how do I disable automatic HDMI input switching on temporary loss of signal, without also disabling CEC?

Problem is as follows;
While watching a Netflix or Amazon show on Apple TV 4K, the ATV will sometimes switch resolutions or color spaces based on e.g. 4K HDR content.
During the switch, which sometimes takes several seconds, the AVR will sometimes switch HDMI inputs to another active HDMI port, or will switch to TV mode, and when the ATV is ready, it does not switch back, and I have to switch HDMI inputs back to the ATV input.

From the settings menu it looks like I can only disable this auto switching behavior if I also disable CEC. See page 165 Pass Through Source section.
I'd like CEC on for power, but I do not want the AVR to auto switch, or I want it to be more patient and wait longer for ATV signal to return during a resolution switch.

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Hi, question, how do I disable automatic HDMI input switching on temporary loss of signal, without also disabling CEC?

Problem is as follows;
While watching a Netflix or Amazon show on Apple TV 4K, the ATV will sometimes switch resolutions or color spaces based on e.g. 4K HDR content.
During the switch, which sometimes takes several seconds, the AVR will sometimes switch HDMI inputs to another active HDMI port, or will switch to TV mode, and when the ATV is ready, it does not switch back, and I have to switch HDMI inputs back to the ATV input.

From the settings menu it looks like I can only disable this auto switching behavior if I also disable CEC. See page 165 Pass Through Source section.
I'd like CEC on for power, but I do not want the AVR to auto switch, or I want it to be more patient and wait longer for ATV signal to return during a resolution switch.

Any ideas?
Suggest setting HDMI-CEC to OFF and instead use a universal remote (eg. Harmony).
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Suggest setting HDMI-CEC to OFF and instead use a universal remote (eg. Harmony).
I do use a URC remote, neat thing about CEC power is it turns the TV and AVR off when the ATV goes to sleep.
Still hoping for a solution where I can keep CEC (for power off) and not have the AVR auto-switch inputs.
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Help me understand logic behind Marantz description of "Center Spread"

I have a new Marantz SR7013 receiver coming in soon, and like most people here, I tend to calm my impatience by reading through the online manual and imagining which settings I will use.

One feature that interests me is Center Spread. My old-old receiver (Pioneer Elite Sc-05) had this feature, but had a similarly confusing description of its intent in the user manual.

Per the User Manual:

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Center Spread expands the center channel signal to left and right front
speakers to create a wider frontal audio image for the listener. It is
optimized and designed primary for playback of stereo music content.
Now this confuses me greatly for some reason. If its intended for stereo music, how can there be any center channel data to spread from the center in the first place? Isn't stereo by definition just the front L/R? Is this relying on some advanced processing to attempt to 'extract' a fake center channel from the source?

The reason I find it so confusing is because to me, the way I'd actually WANT to use this feature, is to spread the center channel to the sides a bit when watching movies, including SFX and dialogue. Wouldn't it make more sense in that case, where you actually have input center channel source signal?

My old Pioneer Elite had a feature called "Dialogue Enhancement" that basically did this. The Marantz has a Dialogue Adjust feature but it seems different, its only supporting DTS:X where there are sound objects.

Along the same lines, the Pioneer Elite had some related features that the manual seems to describe backwards as well. This leads me to believe maybe I have some fundamental misunderstanding about these types of features in general.

For example, from the Pioneer Elite SC-05 Manual, the setting 'Center Width' is described thus:

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Provides a better blend of the
front speakers by spreading the
center channel between the front
right and left speakers, making it
sound wider (higher settings) or
narrower (lower settings).
Then there is a footnote below this clarifying:

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Only when listening to 2-channel sources in Dolby Pro Logic IIx
Music/Dolby Pro Logic II Music mode.
Again this is like a contradiction to me. If you are listening to 2 channel sources.... what need is there to spread the center, which has no signal? Wouldn't this feature actually be better suited to listening to at least 3 channel content where you just want a wider soundstage, or if maybe your center speaker is not as high quality as your L/R? There is even another feature 'Center Image' on the Elite that has the same strange footnote, but says it only works for:

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Only when listening to 2-channel sources in Neo:6 MUSIC/CINEMA
mode.
Can anybody help clarify these seemingly contradictory settings? Most importantly, since the Marantz does not seem to have 'Dialogue Enhancement' that works like the Elite, will the 'Center Width' setting be able to work on 3+ channel formats to spread the center channel (including dialogue) to the front L/R?

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As noted at the bottom of that quote you posted from p. 183 of the SR7013 Owner's Manual, "Center Spread" is only available when the Dolby Surround mode is engaged. A better way to have written that setting definition would have been "When playing a stereo audio source using the Dolby Surround mode to simulate audio to the other speakers in the setup, the "Center Spread" setting can be used to spread the simulated center speaker audio to each of the Front L/R speakers."

The "Center Width" setting was the predecessor to the "Center Spread" setting and is only found on pre-Dolby Surround models.

The "Dialog Control" setting is only available with DTS:X audio in which the audio mixer has included that feature which thus far has been extremely rare (I'm only aware of two demo tracks that included it).

Although your question referred to settings available on all current Marantz models, further questions regarding the SR7013 should be posted in the dedicated 2018 Marantz Owner's thread ….

https://www.avsforum.com/forum/90-re...sts-1-7-a.html
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Thanks for that. I will post a followup question over in that thread.
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I previously made a post in the general receivers area but it was suggested that I should post here instead.

I have a Marantz SR7013 coming in tomorrow and I am trying to see if it has the ability to spread the center channel from surround sources across the front Left/Right channels. There is a feature called "Center Spread", but the manual points out that it only works for Stereo sources so it may not be what I am looking for. From the user manual:

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Provides a better blend of the
front speakers by spreading the
center channel between the front
right and left speakers, making it
sound wider (higher settings) or
narrower (lower settings).

[footnote]:
Only when listening to 2-channel sources in Dolby Pro Logic IIx
Music/Dolby Pro Logic II Music mode.
Link to manual

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As noted at the bottom of that quote you posted from p. 183 of the SR7013 Owner's Manual, "Center Spread" is only available when the Dolby Surround mode is engaged. A better way to have written that setting definition would have been "When playing a stereo audio source using the Dolby Surround mode to simulate audio to the other speakers in the setup, the "Center Spread" setting can be used to spread the simulated center speaker audio to each of the Front L/R speakers."

The "Center Width" setting was the predecessor to the "Center Spread" setting and is only found on pre-Dolby Surround models.

What I actually want is to do this for surround sources like movies and mix some of the center channel to the front Left/Right. My old pioneer elite sc-05 had a feature called "Dialogue Enhancement" that would do this, so I am trying to figure out if there is any way to accomplish it using the Marantz since I was a big fan of that feature.

Thanks!

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