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Pioneer has the same receiver the Elite LX303. Just uses MCACC instead.
Kini, am I missing something? It looks like to me the Onkyo has digital source inputs on Zone 2 whereas the Elite LX303 does not, no? If so, then there are some significant differences between the two. Neither allows HDMI on Zones 2/Zone3. Just need some clarification here.


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Kini, am I missing something? It looks like to me the Onkyo has digital source inputs on Zone 2 whereas the Elite LX303 does not, no? If so, then there are some significant differences between the two. Neither allows HDMI on Zones 2/Zone3. Just need some clarification here.


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I'm not really up to date on all the features or any differences between them. But they are built off the same main chassis and amp section. I guess Onkyo is keeping some Pioneer specific differences so there is at least some differentiation.

AFAIK I don't know of any AVRs that do HDMI to zones. There probably are but like I said I'm not that up to date. My AVR is from around 2009.

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I'm not really up to date on all the features or any differences between them. But they are built off the same main chassis and amp section. I guess Onkyo is keeping some Pioneer specific differences so there is at least some differentiation.

AFAIK I don't know of any AVRs that do HDMI to zones. There probably are but like I said I'm not that up to date. My AVR is from around 2009.
Yeah, I think that there are certainly some differences. For some it could be significant. For other perhaps not so much. I do think that the Onkyo TX-NR787 is going to be a serious game changer for Onkyo. They have even improved upon AccuEQ that practically eliminates standing waves. It is good to see Onkyo headed in the right direction inmho. Thanks Kini!


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I have been looking and thought the Denon x3300 and x3400 had hdmi to zone 2?
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I'm not really up to date on all the features or any differences between them. But they are built off the same main chassis and amp section. I guess Onkyo is keeping some Pioneer specific differences so there is at least some differentiation.

AFAIK I don't know of any AVRs that do HDMI to zones. There probably are but like I said I'm not that up to date. My AVR is from around 2009.
Most brands mid-level and higher can do HDMI to Zone 2 .. the current lowest Onkyo that can do it is the TX-RZ720.
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Do these Onkyo’s still have issues with HDMI video failures?
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onkyo site currently has it $100 off

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Looking to put together a modest 4k system. My vt-50 and denon 1713 was handed down. Speaker setup is in my sig. Is it worth is for me to future proof and get this NR787 or will the 686 or last years model be fine. Really do not want to spend 800 on a receiver but if next gen still causes me to upgrade in a few years its worth it. Still deciding on a set to purchase. Will be 10 feet away 65in or 75. Might hold out to see what he new vizio brings to the table. Room is a basically a open floor plan apt. huge room with a kitchen in the one end. i appreciate any info as help. Thanks for your time -marty

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Looking to put together a modest 4k system. My vt-50 and denon 1713 was handed down. Speaker setup is in my sig. Is it worth is for me to future proof and get this NR787 or will the 686 or last years model be fine. Really do not want to spend 800 on a receiver but if next gen still causes me to upgrade in a few years its worth it. Still deciding on a set to purchase. Will be 10 feet away 65in or 75. Might hold out to see what he new vizio brings to the table. Room is a basically a open floor plan apt. huge room with a kitchen in the one end. i appreciate any info as help. Thanks for your time -marty
I dunno about others but for me, going atmos is as big of a jump as going from stereo to 5.1, Im actually going to pick one up for the master bedroom. I dunno if the onkyo store is doing tax and shipping cost but b&h photo has it 699 free ship and no tax if your outside NY/NJ

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I dunno about others but for me, going atmos is as big of a jump as going from stereo to 5.1, Im actually going to pick one up for the master bedroom. I dunno if the onkyo store is doing tax and shipping cost but b&h photo has it 699 free ship and no tax if your outside NY/NJ

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good point. you think my speaker setup is ok for atmos? i love it in a 3.1, just added the polk for rears.

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I hate that they removed the Preouts from this line of AVRs. They just keep making this feature more and more expensive.
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That receiver is really really tempting but we read so many horror stories about Onkyo reliability that it’s a tough choice.
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I have been looking to upgrade my HT to Atmos....5.1.4. Just came across this Onkyo and it is very tempting considering its half the $$ of the Marantz/Denon 9 ch models I have been looking at.
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good point. you think my speaker setup is ok for atmos? i love it in a 3.1, just added the polk for rears.
you would have to add some speakers for the atmos part but nothing wrong with what you have.

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130 W (8 ohms, Front) = ___ W x 9??

I'm looking at the specs on the Onkyo TX-NR787, and I cannot seem to find out how many watts the unit can push if using all nine channels. TIA


220 W/Ch (6 ohms, 1 kHz, 10% THD, 1 channel driven);
100 W/Ch (8 ohms, 20 Hz–20 kHz, 0.08% THD,
2 channels driven, FTC)

Power output
All channels 220 W/Ch (6 ohms, 1 kHz, 10% THD,
1 channel driven)
100 W/Ch (8 ohms, 20 Hz–20 kHz,
0.08% THD, 2 channels driven, FTC)
Dynamic power 250 W (3 ohms, Front)
220 W (4 ohms, Front)
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Given the spec shows power consumption is only 750W, it would appear that when all channels driven, it would be 70w/ch at best. But obviously, that's more than enough for most movie viewing setup where you don't use 7 tower speakers and powered sub takes most power hit.


If you have more demanding speakers or need more power for music listening, this model is probably not for you.
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Given the spec shows power consumption is only 750W, it would appear that when all channels driven, it would be 70w/ch at best. But obviously, that's more than enough for most movie viewing setup where you don't use 7 tower speakers and powered sub takes most power hit.


If you have more demanding speakers or need more power for music listening, this model is probably not for you.
Cool, thanks for the info. I wasn't sure if the receivers these days were smart enough to use more power with less channels or vice versa. Thanks.
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Cool, thanks for the info. I wasn't sure if the receivers these days were smart enough to use more power with less channels or vice versa. Thanks.
Doesn't quite work that way. Each Channel on there own can put out the stated 1 channel drive power, but they are all connected to 1 power supply. Its the amount of power from the PS that limits what the unit will do if say theres a explosion out of every single channel at the same time ( which never happens ). Theres really no "smart enough" involved except maybe in yamahas case where they limit the power supply output when it senses to many speakers pulling at the same time ( which is why there all channel driven power output is less than the competition )

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I'm looking at the specs on the Onkyo TX-NR787, and I cannot seem to find out how many watts the unit can push if using all nine channels. TIA


220 W/Ch (6 ohms, 1 kHz, 10% THD, 1 channel driven);
100 W/Ch (8 ohms, 20 Hz–20 kHz, 0.08% THD,
2 channels driven, FTC)

Power output
All channels 220 W/Ch (6 ohms, 1 kHz, 10% THD,
1 channel driven)
100 W/Ch (8 ohms, 20 Hz–20 kHz,
0.08% THD, 2 channels driven, FTC)
Dynamic power 250 W (3 ohms, Front)
220 W (4 ohms, Front)
130 W (8 ohms, Front)
Keep in mind that the front 3 speakers L/C/R will draw the most power. The surrounds and heights draw much less.
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I echo that the removal of preouts from the "midrange" receivers is really a hit to the consumer compared to 5-10 years ago. Now you have to spend $1000-1500 to get into the lines with preout support.
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It's $649 now...

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And now it's back up to $699

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Newegg has it for $649 plus a $100 gift card.
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I have a Denon 2200. How does this compare to that? Does it have Dynamic EQ?

I have a great room budget set up for 5.1.4 (currently running 5.1.2). The Denon works fine, but I want 5.2.4 with the ability to upgrade to a HDR projector.

My rig is very newb...

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The room is definitely large as it is open to the upstairs, but the current set up works great.
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no preouts, bummer....
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I just bought it to replace the tx -nr656. The music optimizer only works on stereo listening mode. In my 656 was working in all listening modes. Anybody knows why? When I enable it on unplugged or studio-mix says not available.
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no pre outs

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I just bought this over the weekend from Best Buy. This was to replace a 5.1.2 Denon x2200. My understanding is AccuEQ Advanced isn't as great as Audyssey, but I really wanted 5.1.4. I ran the setup and we watched "Early Man" with the kids. I have nothing to complain about.

I did notice the back in ceiling speakers, which was the whole point. I thought the bass was better than with the Denon. I also noticed the receiver needed to be turned up higher than the Denon.

Honestly, I loved Dynamic Volume on the Denon and wasn't always crazy about Dynamic EQ boosting the surrounds too much. I thought there was good balance last night.

I should clarify that I have a great room, not dedicated space, and a very budget minded room.
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I just bought this over the weekend from Best Buy. This was to replace a 5.1.2 Denon x2200. My understanding is AccuEQ Advanced isn't as great as Audyssey, but I really wanted 5.1.4. I ran the setup and we watched "Early Man" with the kids. I have nothing to complain about.

I did notice the back in ceiling speakers, which was the whole point. I thought the bass was better than with the Denon. I also noticed the receiver needed to be turned up higher than the Denon.

Honestly, I loved Dynamic Volume on the Denon and wasn't always crazy about Dynamic EQ boosting the surrounds too much. I thought there was good balance last night.

I should clarify that I have a great room, not dedicated space, and a very budget minded room.
Hi, did you notice there is no option on the menu for upscaling? My previous Onkyo 656 had. Also can you check on yours the music optimizer is working only for stereo and all stereo?
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Question,


Does the latest Onkyo receivers have the ability to show which audio format is being decoded on the Front display? For example DTS-HD, Dolby-TrueHD etc.

I know the Pioneer doesn't, but Yamaha do.
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