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post #91 of 283 Old 10-26-2018, 08:23 AM
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The picture processing are always on by default for all the consumer TVs. The Game mode, which is only popular in recent years, is there to disable them.
Just coming back to close the loop ... enabling GLL completely remedied the audio sync issue, and seems to have had a positive effect on the degraded audio from non-BD Atmos sources in my XBox (i.e. Netflix and games). The improvement with the latter issue seemed counter-intuitive, but I'm wondering whether there's something going on with A/V auto sync that isn't implemented properly on the XBox side. It wouldn't affect BR playback because there's no audio processing imposed when you have it set to pass-through. I'm thinking the XBox may be introducing the clicks/pops and warbly effect as part of the resync process. With GLL enabled it may not need to resync nearly as often.

I'm going to try disabling that on the receiver next.

PS. I'm completely clueless on how A/V auto sync works. My observations are entirely intuition-based
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Just coming back to close the loop ... enabling GLL completely remedied the audio sync issue, and seems to have had a positive effect on the degraded audio from non-BD Atmos sources in my XBox (i.e. Netflix and games). The improvement with the latter issue seemed counter-intuitive, but I'm wondering whether there's something going on with A/V auto sync that isn't implemented properly on the XBox side. It wouldn't affect BR playback because there's no audio processing imposed when you have it set to pass-through. I'm thinking the XBox may be introducing the clicks/pops and warbly effect as part of the resync process. With GLL enabled it may not need to resync nearly as often.

I'm going to try disabling that on the receiver next.

PS. I'm completely clueless on how A/V auto sync works. My observations are entirely intuition-based
Could someone give me some examples of how the lack of preouts on this unit is a problem? I see that it just has 1 set of "zone 2" pre-outs, vs other units that have a preout for every set of speakers. What are the situations that you would want to have external amplification for each of those areas?
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Could someone give me some examples of how the lack of preouts on this unit is a problem? I see that it just has 1 set of "zone 2" pre-outs, vs other units that have a preout for every set of speakers. What are the situations that you would want to have external amplification for each of those areas?
It's really only an issue for people that don't feel that the class of amplifier provided in this model is adequate for power or fidelity reasons. It's rated at 100w/ch for 2 channels, with an 8ohm load. There's no formal rating for maximum output into all 9 channels, regardless of load. If you need more power than it will support or don't like the sound produced by the built-in amps, you would need pre-outs. Pretty simple ...
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It's really only an issue for people that don't feel that the class of amplifier provided in this model is adequate for power or fidelity reasons. It's rated at 100w/ch for 2 channels, with an 8ohm load. There's no formal rating for maximum output into all 9 channels, regardless of load. If you need more power than it will support or don't like the sound produced by the built-in amps, you would need pre-outs. Pretty simple ...
Thanks for that! Seems simple, but I was surprised at how many people in this thread said they wouldn't even consider this unit because of the lack of multiple preouts.
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Thanks for that! Seems simple, but I was surprised at how many people in this thread said they wouldn't even consider this unit because of the lack of multiple preouts.
I have a 2700 cubic foot listening room and decent speaker positioning, with a 5.1.4 setup. It will get way louder than I can tolerate without any help from external amps (other than the one built into my sub).
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People like options. Besides, listening to music is much more power hungry than listening to movie sound tracks.

That being said, I personally don't need the main pre outs or any analog A/V inputs. However, I do like to have zone pre-outs (not to be confused with regular pre-outs that corresponding to main zone) so that I can connect to my whole house audio distribution system.
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I guess this is unofficially the official owner's thread. I joined the club today. Amazon had for $525, so I had my local BB price match it.

I do need a solution for the IR extender port since I will be mounting it in a cabinet. Any thoughts?

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I guess this is unofficially the official owner's thread. I joined the club today. Amazon had for $525, so I had my local BB price match it.

I do need a solution for the IR extender port since I will be mounting it in a cabinet. Any thoughts?
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Ok I will check that out.

Just setup last night. Only options for speaker Ohm listed on the OSD were 4 and 6. My Def Techs are 8 ohm. I set to 6 and get plenty of sound. Is this going to be an issue?


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Should not be an issue. For most AVRs, they insert a current limiter resistor to the amp when you selected 4 Ohm speaker. 6-8 Ohms are not a problem and hence no need for current limiter.
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For now I went with an IR receiver/repeater and that seems to be doing the trick. That'll do for now!
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Help, my calibration mic for EQ quit. Can't find it's part number in the manual?

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Edit: Called Onkyo Warranty. They will be sending a replacement mic this week! If you need to buy a replacement; it is $12.40.. Almost $50 on Ebay, ha..

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Help, my calibration mic for EQ quit. Can't find it's part number in the manual?

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Why not just call Onkyo and ask for a new one? The receiver should still be under warranty, and that would include the mic.
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Why not just call Onkyo and ask for a new one? The receiver should still be under warranty, and that would include the mic.
i will; but damaged it trying to open it. Dumb, I know..

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i will; but damaged it trying to open it. Dumb, I know..
LOL so it didn't really quit ... you involuntarily retired it

Seriously, the mic probably costs Onkyo less than a buck. If you tell them that it doesn't work without going into too much detail, they'll probably send you another. Hell, even if you told them that you thought it was a really long cable tie and you used it to neaten up your wiring before you realized it was a mic, they still might send you another
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LOL so it didn't really quit ... you involuntarily retired it

Seriously, the mic probably costs Onkyo less than a buck. If you tell them that it doesn't work without going into too much detail, they'll probably send you another. Hell, even if you told them that you thought it was a really long cable tie and you used it to neaten up your wiring before you realized it was a mic, they still might send you another
Thanks, Dodge. No, it said mic error before I investigated. They are not open until Monday. I will try then.

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So Amazon had the price at $549 for the 787 today so I had best buy price match and brought one home. This is (maybe) replacing an Onkyo TX-SR805 THX Ultra2 receiver from 2007 that still works great but doesn't support Atmos.

My first thought on unboxing after moving my old receiver is that there is no way this thing will play loud enough. It probably weighs half of what my old receiver weighs. The old one tested out at something like 120 watts per channel all channels driven.

I don't have ceiling speakers yet so I set it up as 7.1. I have B&W 603 S3 L/R and HTM7 center channel, with BW selectable di/bi polar on wall L/R surround and in-wall back surround speakers, B&W ASW650 and SVS 20-39 PC+ subs.

AccuEQ set the crossovers at 40 hz for LCR, 50 for side surrounds and 70 for back surrounds. I upped the LCR to 50 and side to 60 manually. (question here, are only the sounds below the speaker crossover being sent to the subs?) It set the sub level at -15 so I moved that up to -5 during testing.

I tested it with the giant robot and pursuit scene in Terminator Salvation and then the final dino fight in Jurassic World. I did not get it up to reference volume which someone said was 82. I never got it above 73 and it was plenty loud and sounded good to me. My room is almost exactly 2000 cubic feet so I guess the THX Select rating is accurate.

I like the fact that the volume shows on screen--something the old 805 won't do through HDMI. Also nice that I can add another device as I was limited to 3 on the old receiver. The receiver is in a closet off the theater room so you can't normally see it but I do miss being able to confirm what surround format is playing by checking the display.

Best buy is in their holiday returns period so I have until January to take it back. I am going to add ceiling speakers and test Atmos and then decide if .2 atmos is enough or if I think I will need something that will do .4. I will also tweak the settings and watch a few whole movies and provide more feedback regarding receiver performance.

Right now, if I do not feel compelled to get .4 atmos I will probably keep it.
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So Amazon had the price at $549 for the 787 today so I had best buy price match and brought one home. This is (maybe) replacing an Onkyo TX-SR805 THX Ultra2 receiver from 2007 that still works great but doesn't support Atmos.



My first thought on unboxing after moving my old receiver is that there is no way this thing will play loud enough. It probably weighs half of what my old receiver weighs. The old one tested out at something like 120 watts per channel all channels driven.



I don't have ceiling speakers yet so I set it up as 7.1. I have B&W 603 S3 L/R and HTM7 center channel, with BW selectable di/bi polar on wall L/R surround and in-wall back surround speakers, B&W ASW650 and SVS 20-39 PC+ subs.



AccuEQ set the crossovers at 40 hz for LCR, 50 for side surrounds and 70 for back surrounds. I upped the LCR to 50 and side to 60 manually. (question here, are only the sounds below the speaker crossover being sent to the subs?) It set the sub level at -15 so I moved that up to -5 during testing.



I tested it with the giant robot and pursuit scene in Terminator Salvation and then the final dino fight in Jurassic World. I did not get it up to reference volume which someone said was 82. I never got it above 73 and it was plenty loud and sounded good to me. My room is almost exactly 2000 cubic feet so I guess the THX Select rating is accurate.



I like the fact that the volume shows on screen--something the old 805 won't do through HDMI. Also nice that I can add another device as I was limited to 3 on the old receiver. The receiver is in a closet off the theater room so you can't normally see it but I do miss being able to confirm what surround format is playing by checking the display.



Best buy is in their holiday returns period so I have until January to take it back. I am going to add ceiling speakers and test Atmos and then decide if .2 atmos is enough or if I think I will need something that will do .4. I will also tweak the settings and watch a few whole movies and provide more feedback regarding receiver performance.



Right now, if I do not feel compelled to get .4 atmos I will probably keep it.


Nice! Welcome to the club!

Pressing the “I” button should bring up which format is being played. Multiple presses cycle through to video resolution as well. Mine is hidden as well, so the OSD is nice (must have) for sure.

Let me know if you encounter any cool tricks. I’ve turned mine up to 80 just to see what it sounded like and find most of my listening around 45-50... Haven’t watched a movie though.


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Hi!

I think the 787 is a great receiver and a more affordable price for 9.2 channels.

But I have a question.

Which is better? In my country the RZ630 are at almost the same price that the 787, I'm planning to buy a new 9.2 receiver with Atmos at 5.2.4 conf.

I read the specs and I see the same features with both receivers :/, only the zone with HDMI on the RZ630 but THX on the 787.


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Hi!

I think the 787 is a great receiver and a more affordable price for 9.2 channels.

But I have a question.

Which is better? In my country the RZ630 are at almost the same price that the 787, I'm planning to buy a new 9.2 receiver with Atmos at 5.2.4 conf.

I read the specs and I see the same features with both receivers :/, only the zone with HDMI on the RZ630 but THX on the 787.


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If you feel you don't need HDMI zone output then go ahead and save a few bucks with the NR787 model.
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I guess this is unofficially the official owner's thread. I joined the club today. Amazon had for $525, so I had my local BB price match it.
I replaced an Onkyo TX-SR444 with this 787. I love the change as I now get 5.1.4 (instead of 5.1.2) and the extra 2 over-heads make a large difference in my room. The 444 also couldn't decode DTS:X on the Harry Potter UHD collection, but the 787 does! As others have mentioned, I can't turn the volume past about 75 before it gets too loud.

I got this about a month ago when Newegg had it for $699 with a $240 gift card. My credit card price protection against the Amazon $525 price was just approved. Total will be $525 for the receiver including a $240 newegg gift card... seems pretty solid for a 9 channel receiver.
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Since this is the unofficial official thread, anyone care to share any setup tips? For example is there a place to set the main speakers as small prior to running the accuEQ so that it doesn't set crossover settings so low?
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Since this is the unofficial official thread, anyone care to share any setup tips? For example is there a place to set the main speakers as small prior to running the accuEQ so that it doesn't set crossover settings so low?
I have not found a setting to set the speakers to small or large.

Also, while I technically have a 3.0 setup (no sub) it only lets me select 3.1 as my speaker setup.
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I have not found a setting to set the speakers to small or large.

Also, while I technically have a 3.0 setup (no sub) it only lets me select 3.1 as my speaker setup.
It's my understanding that EQ sw ignores the current settings when it runs it's evaluations. Then, it displays it's new findings.

So, wouldn't matter anyway; even if there were settings for large or small..
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eARC

Any idea if eARC has been firmwared???????????

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Got the NR787 yesterday and was looking for the Official Owners thread and found it, I think :-)
Just set it up and initial impression was good, I need to spend more time with it.
I am currently driving my EmpTek speakers with this (replacing Denon x2100). I have my speakers set up in 5.1.2 with the front heights working as atmos (temporarily until i get the ceiling speakers).
First think I noticed is that I had to crank up the volume pretty high, about -15db to get a good movie experience, which is about 10db more that what i had on my x2100.
What does that really mean? is it that the power is lacking? or could there be other reasons for that?

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Got the NR787 yesterday and was looking for the Official Owners thread and found it, I think :-)
Just set it up and initial impression was good, I need to spend more time with it.
I am currently driving my EmpTek speakers with this (replacing Denon x2100). I have my speakers set up in 5.1.2 with the front heights working as atmos (temporarily until i get the ceiling speakers).
First think I noticed is that I had to crank up the volume pretty high, about -15db to get a good movie experience, which is about 10db more that what i had on my x2100.
What does that really mean? is it that the power is lacking? or could there be other reasons for that?
What was your source?

There's an IntelliVolume setting for each input that lets you configure it to match the others, since not all sources are identical. It gives you -10dB/+12dB (going from memory here) to tweak the relative volumes. I think that's why it seems like you have to push the volume on the NR787 where in other (or older) receivers it wasn't necessary. If you can push an input +12dB, you'd probably want your visible display to reflect 12dB lower than that.
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I thought someone with an eARC TV would know? They exist, I believe?


Oh. Gotcha. Mine is not unfortunately. But I guess if we did it wouldn’t show DD+ anymore, but rather whatever the lossless format was?


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