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Yamaha RX-A 80 AV Receivers Unveiled

The new Yamaha RX-A 80 series of AV receivers includes six new models, all of which support immersive audio and three HDR formats. They also feature MusicCast Surround, which lets you install wireless surround speakers. The top three models are equipped with Surround:AI. This next-generation artificial-intelligence technology is said to deliver a clearer, more engaging experience by automatically adjusting audio levels in real time to match individual scenes in a movie or TV show.

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My AI (applied intelligence) says don’t fall for the AI marketing. No reason to upgrade from recent gen Yamaha products.

The AI DSP might be fun, and even applicable for typical users and enthusiasts alike. It could be doing things like applying YPAO volume when needed (by channel/object?), and full range when not. However, I would still prefer to see other improvements, like using that processing power to perform better room interaction analysis.

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My last 2 AVRs were Yamaha and I am a big fan. Having said that, I find no reason to upgrade my 2060. Yamaha at least should have upgraded 3080 to 11.2 (amplification).
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Bettererer bluetooth, far better WiFi, increased number of HDMI outputs, a new GUI, front channel pre-outs down at the RXA780... some decent upgrades.
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Is the 9-channel amplification limitation physical (heat/power/space) because Yamaha needs to update their chassis or is it because they expect 7.1.4 setups to use additional amplifiers? Denon sells the AVR-X6400H for the same price as the 3080, but offers full 7.1.4 amplification. I have really liked my Yamaha devices and I want to embrace MusicCast, but it sure seems like I get more for my money with Denon and everybody keeps raving over Audyssey EQ. With Heos improving and Alexa integration, it seems to be a better choice overall.

I suppose it's moot, I'm still a year away from completing my new HT, so my aging RX-A3000 will be fine for a while longer. Ultimately, I'm not buying any AVR that lacks full HDMI 2.1 feature support.
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No HDMI 2.1 is a risky move. I would have waited it out a little longer to incorporate 2.1
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Ultimately, I'm not buying any AVR that lacks full HDMI 2.1 feature support.
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No HDMI 2.1 is a risky move. I would have waited it out a little longer to incorporate 2.1
Lack of HDMI 2.1 is big for me, too. I will wait this generation out with my 1050.

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Lack of HDMI 2.1 is big for me, too. I will wait this generation out with my 1050.
Me as well. I just sold my Marantz 7702MKII and was interested in the 7704. I will wait it out and hopefully the 7705 will be released with HDMI 2.1. Fingers crossed.

The jump from HDMI 2.0 to 2.1 is just too vast to ignore.
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I'm looking at either the A680 or A780. Besides the obvious of 7.2, Atmos and DTS:X would either of these be a considerable upgrade from the RX-V481. That's what I currently have.

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Me as well. I just sold my Marantz 7702MKII and was interested in the 7704. I will wait it out and hopefully the 7705 will be released with HDMI 2.1. Fingers crossed.

The jump from HDMI 2.0 to 2.1 is just too vast to ignore.
Look for HDMI 2.1 next year (ie. AV7706) at the earliest.
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So only the top model can do 7.1.4? Denon and marantz have had that processing on a lower model for a while now. Very interested in yamaha as it can tune for angles similar to trinnov although not as good or accurate
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Look for HDMI 2.1 next year (ie. AV7706) at the earliest.
That works for me. I have a Yamaha 1070 to hold me by until then. A new big purchase just doesn't make sense at this point.
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Look for HDMI 2.1 next year (ie. AV7706) at the earliest.
Haven’t Denon and Marantz said that their 2018 models will be hardware upgradeable to HDMI 2.1 at a later date? Does that only go for the flagship models or does that extend down the line?

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Look for HDMI 2.1 next year (ie. AV7706) at the earliest.
Haven’t Denon and Marantz said that their 2018 models will be hardware upgradeable to HDMI 2.1 at a later date? Does that only go for the flagship models or does that extend down the line?
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I wonder if they are actually building in HDMI 2.1 hardware for activation with a firmware update (like MusicCast), but can't publicly say it yet because the test suite isn't done for HDMI 2.1. In the announcement for the RX-V385 it initially said HDMI 2.1, then that was removed. Just a thought. It would be nice to know if that was the case for future buying decisions.

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I wonder if they are actually building in HDMI 2.1 hardware for activation with a firmware update (like MusicCast), but can't publicly say it yet because the test suite isn't done for HDMI 2.1. In the announcement for the RX-V385 it initially said HDMI 2.1, then that was removed. Just a thought. It would be nice to know if that was the case for future buying decisions.
The manufacturers probably don't even know what the hardware requirements are yet. I think they are testing now. I think the flagship Denon/Marantz models left space for a new board to be added or replaced in the future, not quite sure. It would be nice if yamaha did this on the top model or models but, I'm not holding my breath.
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Could someone direct me to the thread here that describes the benefits of HDMI 2.1 for existing equipment? No one wants to buy right before an important upgrade becomes available, but the bug has bit, and Atmos is calling, along with the need to provide better video to my projector.....oh, and to upgrade my 2-channel listening.....etc, etc.....ad infinitum

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There is no benefit of 2.1 for existing equipment because nothing currently uses 2.1. In order for the features of 2.1 to work EVERYTHING in the chain must also be HDMI 2.1.

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Could someone direct me to the thread here that describes the benefits of HDMI 2.1 for existing equipment? No one wants to buy right before an important upgrade becomes available, but the bug has bit, and Atmos is calling, along with the need to provide better video to my projector.....oh, and to upgrade my 2-channel listening.....etc, etc.....ad infinitum

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Here is a link for the specs of HDMI 2.1...
https://www.hdmi.org/manufacturer/hdmi_2_1/

The basic specification package for HDMI 2.1 was released in 2nd quarter 2017... Then the primary suppliers of the HDMI processor RX & TX ICs are Analog Devices and Silicon Image, note that both of these suppliers have been sampling HDMI 2.1 ICs since 3rd quarter, 2017. The latest ADI HDMI RX & TX ICs are used by Yamaha in their newly announced XA80 series AVRs which start to ship in June, with the higher end models shipping in August/September. A key point about Yamaha and HDMI 2.1 certifications, unlike other brands that self-certify HDMI Yamaha submits their products through the official HDMI Simplay testing labs located in Osaka, Japan run by Panasonic. According to my unofficial sources. HDMI 2.1 will be a firmware update for the 1st (3) 80 series AVRs(680, 780, 880) and for the 2nd (3) of the higher end 80 series AVRs(1080, 2080, 3080) they will ship in the late 3rd quarter with HDMI 2.1 already loaded as to coincide with the IFA(Europe) and CEDIA(USA) trade shows. Note that the official release of the HDMI 2.1 test compliance specifications were just released 2 months ago on March 15, 2018. Even though the 1st public info release of HDMI 2.1 was released in January, 2017 it takes considerable time behind the scene to sample the new 2.1 ICs and for the design team to validate/certify as to meet the subject test compliance specifications. Final note, to deliver a full series of AVRs certified with HDMI 2.1 is not an easy task, but since Yamaha is the only AVR brand that designs/builds/validates their own brands AVRs in their factories they are able to accelerate the process. Most of the other AVR brands will talk about HDMI 2.1 but most likely will not ship until late 4th quarter or even 1st quarter 2019...

I hope this clears the air, as I get further updates I will post them in this thread..

Just my $0.02...
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Could someone direct me to the thread here that describes the benefits of HDMI 2.1 for existing equipment? No one wants to buy right before an important upgrade becomes available, but the bug has bit, and Atmos is calling, along with the need to provide better video to my projector.....oh, and to upgrade my 2-channel listening.....etc, etc.....ad infinitum

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Here is a link for the specs of HDMI 2.1...
https://www.hdmi.org/manufacturer/hdmi_2_1/

The basic specification package for HDMI 2.1 was released in 2nd quarter 2017... Then the primary suppliers of the HDMI processor RX & TX ICs are Analog Devices and Silicon Image, note that both of these suppliers have been sampling HDMI 2.1 ICs since 3rd quarter, 2017. The latest ADI HDMI RX & TX ICs are used by Yamaha in their newly announced XA80 series AVRs which start to ship in June, with the higher end models shipping in August/September. A key point about Yamaha and HDMI 2.1 certifications, unlike other brands that self-certify HDMI Yamaha submits their products through the official HDMI Simplay testing labs located in Osaka, Japan run by Panasonic. According to my unofficial sources. HDMI 2.1 will be a firmware update for the 1st (3) 80 series AVRs(680, 780, 880) and for the 2nd (3) of the higher end 80 series AVRs(1080, 2080, 3080) they will ship in the late 3rd quarter with HDMI 2.1 already loaded as to coincide with the IFA(Europe) and CEDIA(USA) trade shows. Note that the official release of the HDMI 2.1 test compliance specifications were just released 2 months ago on March 15, 2018. Even though the 1st public info release of HDMI 2.1 was released in January, 2017 it takes considerable time behind the scene to sample the new 2.1 ICs and for the design team to validate/certify as to meet the subject test compliance specifications. Final note, to deliver a full series of AVRs certified with HDMI 2.1 is not an easy task, but since Yamaha is the only AVR brand that designs/builds/validates their own brands AVRs in their factories they are able to accelerate the process. Most of the other AVR brands will talk about HDMI 2.1 but most likely will not ship until late 4th quarter or even 1st quarter 2019...

I hope this clears the air, as I get further updates I will post them in this thread..

Just my $0.02... [IMG class=inlineimg]/forum/images/smilies/wink.gif[/IMG]
Full 2.1 support, or just "we added eARC and so now can call ourselves 2.1 but with the same bandwidth as 2.0"?
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Full 2.1 support, or just "we added eARC and so now can call ourselves 2.1 but with the same bandwidth as 2.0"?
Exactly.

Certification ≠ Feature Support

Perfect example is my Yamaha RX-A3000. It has HDMI 1.4 certification because it supports the prerequisite bandwidth of HDMI 1.4, but does not support all the features of HDMI 1.4. So when I connected my 1080p120Hz display to my computer through the AVR, it cockblocks the signal down to 60Hz for output, because the AVR doesn't support 1080p120 as a feature, despite it being specifically part of the HDMI 1.4 features.

The short and sweet of all of this is simply this: if the FEATURE(S) of HDMI 2.1 that you want are not listed on the box or in the manual of the device you are buying, do not buy it, period.
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I don’t see HDMI 2.1 as a factor for me, given how long before displays and sources will be available and cost-effective. Thanks for that info!
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Now all we need is a Yamaha UHD BD-player to go along with the new receivers! Or are they behaving like Denon, Oppo and Marantz and abandoning this segment?


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