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post #31 of 584 Old 08-06-2018, 10:55 AM
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I had two display devices. An Optoma 4K Projector and the Sony 930D. One was connected to HDMI output A and the other on B. The Sony, even when turned off, seems to always have something going on in the background. While watching the projector, the Sony would send out a ping causing the projector output to go black for 10 seconds. This would happen several times an hour. The only workaround was to set the Pioneer receiver so it outputs to the projector only on HDMI output 2. When I wanted to have video to the Sony, I always had to manually switch it HDMI output 1. I could NEVER have HDMI output A+B turned on at the same time. When I switched to my LG OLED, all of these problems went away.

There were also several occasions when I would turn everything on and there would a black screen going to the Sony. The only workaround was to turn off the receiver then turn it back on again."

Sony makes great TV's, but honestly the quality of the software they are using is getting annoying. Also, Sony's prices are on the high end. My new LG OLED is amazing and cost much less than a Sony with the same features.
Well, my intent had been to have both HDMI outs from the LX303 going to the Sony, one to the Sony 4k input with native 4k video, the other through the Darby to a Sony non-4k input with 1080p video. We'll see if/how this works. Of course, if the LX303 can't pass DV, then it's moot. I'll have to connect the Oppo directly to the Sony 4k input, and I'll only need one HDMI out from the receiver.

The blank screen on start-up, I believe, is a so-called HDMI handshake issue. I've suffered (and still suffer) through this with 3 different Pioneer receivers and 4 display devices, Sony and Mits TVs, Yamaha and JVC projectors. In my case, it's mostly, but not always, caused by the Darby.

I only have the Sony because I got a significant discount from MSRP from an authorized dealer with full warranty. Otherwise, I would have a Vizio P-series. Other than the input limitations of the Sony, we're very happy with it. Perhaps in 3 years or so we'll replace it with an LG OLED.

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Does anybody know if the 503 will pass DV to the Sony TVs ? It looks like the 701 and 801 don't. Specificaly, I am interested in a receiver capable to passthrough DV to my Sony 75Z9D and the 503 looks like a candidate. Thank you for any help.

Just set up my new LX303, and it passes DV to my Sony 940E. I'm very happy about this because there is only one 4k-capable HDMI input on the Sony. So now I can use the receiver as a switcher instead of my Oppo 203, which only has a single HDMI input anyway.


Can't imagine why the LX503 wouldn't also pass DV to your 75Z9D.

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Just set up my new LX303, and it passes DV to my Sony 940E. I'm very happy about this because there is only one 4k-capable HDMI input on the Sony. So now I can use the receiver as a switcher instead of my Oppo 203, which only has a single HDMI input anyway.


Can't imagine why the LX503 wouldn't also pass DV to your 75Z9D.
Thanks. Many receivers didn't pass DV to the Sonys because the DV implementation is different. If you have the Oppo 203 you know that only recently it became capable of sending DV to a Sony TV. I have seen many reports of problems with 2017 receivers, the reason of my question. Thank you very much for your reply. I am between the 503 and the Marantz SR612, which is now well discounted.

I was so happy without HDR...
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I currently own an SC-85. I was reading the manual of the 503 and it's kind of vague on which pre outs are available for the external amp. Anybody on this forum using the external amp on the front preouts instead of the surround back?
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Fry's has lowered the price to $599 on the VSXLX502 but also has a promo code today for $120 off so $478. Too bad I don't need one...

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Fry's has lowered the price to $599 on the VSXLX502 but also has a promo code today for $120 off so $478. Too bad I don't need one...
Might be a dumb question but saw Frys calls it out as VSX-LX502 while Pioneer website and others has the model listed as SC-LX502. Just trying to confirm these are identical and just a model code mixup? Thanks.

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Might be a dumb question but saw Frys calls it out as VSX-LX502 while Pioneer website and others has the model listed as SC-LX502. Just trying to confirm these are identical and just a model code mixup? Thanks.

The new 503 does not have Class D3 amps unlike the 502 and 501. It's too new to be discounted like that.

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The new 503 does not have Class D3 amps unlike the 502 and 501. It's too new to be discounted like that.
I ended up taking a chance after all store employees and ads said it was a VSX-LX502 (mis-marked by them and doesn't exist) and it was actually the SC-LX502. Quickly grabbed one since at that price the SC-502 is exactly what I needed and is about the cheapest I've paid for a receiver since I can remember. Was about to pull the trigger on a full priced one 2 weeks ago and glad I saw a poster above mention the Fry's discount and promo code.
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I ended up taking a chance after all store employees and ads said it was a VSX-LX502 (mis-marked by them and doesn't exist) and it was actually the SC-LX502. Quickly grabbed one since at that price the SC-502 is exactly what I needed and is about the cheapest I've paid for a receiver since I can remember. Was about to pull the trigger on a full priced one 2 weeks ago and glad I saw a poster above mention the Fry's discount and promo code.
You got a steal at $478! I paid $575 for mine from BB as a Like-New open box about a month ago.

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Pioneer 503 receiver and ATV 4K = No Dolby Atmos

Hi, I just purchased a Pioneer LX503 and have been trying to get Dolby Atmos to work via ATV 4K. Unfortunately, all Dolby streams result in no sound being processed. I've checked all the settings and updated all devices, unplugged the HDMI cables, but nothing seems to work. I am able to run Atmos through the receiver from the Xbox without any problems. Has anyone been able to get Atmos to stream through the TVos12 ATV 4K on this receiver yet? If not, I'm wondering if it will require a firmware update from Pioneer to work properly.
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Hi, I just purchased a Pioneer LX503 and have been trying to get Dolby Atmos to work via ATV 4K. Unfortunately, all Dolby streams result in no sound being processed. <img src="https://www.avsforum.com/forum/images/AVSForum/smilies/tango_face_sad.png" border="0" alt="" title="Frown" class="inlineimg" /> I've checked all the settings and updated all devices, unplugged the HDMI cables, but nothing seems to work. I am able to run Atmos through the receiver from the Xbox without any problems. Has anyone been able to get Atmos to stream through the TVos12 ATV 4K on this receiver yet? If not, I'm wondering if it will require a firmware update from Pioneer to work properly.
This is the exact same thing that is happening to me word for word. Hooked the same Apple TV 4K up in my bedroom to my pioneer vsxlx301 and it fires up Dolby Atmos as it should. Changed wires, inputs, downloaded all available firmwares/updates and the problem still persists. The receiver will show an input of 2.1 pcm on the 503 while not playing a sound while in a movie that is coded for Atmos. Non Atmos movies play sound normally. The only way to get Atmos codes movies to play now is to turn Atmos off within the atv4k menu and then it will input a 7.1 pcm signal to the 503. On the 301, all functions as intended and input shows 5.2.2 and an output of 5.2.2. Trying to decide if I should give up on this 503 and return, but limited on 9.2 in the $1k range.
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This is the exact same thing that is happening to me word for word. Hooked the same Apple TV 4K up in my bedroom to my pioneer vsxlx301 and it fires up Dolby Atmos as it should. Changed wires, inputs, downloaded all available firmwares/updates and the problem still persists. The receiver will show an input of 2.1 pcm on the 503 while not playing a sound while in a movie that is coded for Atmos. Non Atmos movies play sound normally. The only way to get Atmos codes movies to play now is to turn Atmos off within the atv4k menu and then it will input a 7.1 pcm signal to the 503. On the 301, all functions as intended and input shows 5.2.2 and an output of 5.2.2. Trying to decide if I should give up on this 503 and return, but limited on 9.2 in the $1k range.
I have contacted Pioneer and am hoping they can track down the cause. So far, no luck but will let you know what I find out. Would encourage you to do the same as they initially were stating that this issue must be with the ATV 4K.
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It is most definitely not an issue with Apple. I have two atv4k units. Both work flawlessly on the 301, not so much with the 503. You wouldn’t think a new format would work with an older receiver and not on the brand new unit.
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Just got off the phone with pioneer. Of course not being home in front of the devices, he couldn’t “help” me diagnose the issue. However, I can clearly see they are going to blame Apple right now. It is clearly not an Apple problem for my situation.
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As of 7:30 pm yesterday, they claim they have had multiple calls regarding this issue and assured me that they are in fact working on a solution. Of course they are blaming Apple for the communication error between the devices. Apples software works perfectly fine with a 301 from 2017. I wonder if this years denons are having issues. Might have to swap it out and try a different brand.
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As of 7:30 pm yesterday, they claim they have had multiple calls regarding this issue and assured me that they are in fact working on a solution. Of course they are blaming Apple for the communication error between the devices. Apples software works perfectly fine with a 301 from 2017. I wonder if this years denons are having issues. Might have to swap it out and try a different brand.
Seems like they should be able to get an ATV and hook it up to see for themselves. Its good to hear that they are working on it. I'll try calling them again next week and see where things stand and to keep up the pressure for a solution.
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Seems like they should be able to get an ATV and hook it up to see for themselves. Its good to hear that they are working on it. I'll try calling them again next week and see where things stand and to keep up the pressure for a solution.[/QUOTE]

Have you been having any luck using arc? Mine worked until I updated to the current firmware on the 503 and now I can’t get my tv to communicate with it anymore.
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Hey Guys!

I've been a headphone guy pretty much all my life and I'm recently branching out to home theater/music setups. Thinking about picking up either a Marantz SR5013 or this Pioneer LX503. I'll be looking to drive a pair of Kef Q350's, mostly for music via streaming and CD.

I'm leaning towards the Pioneer due to the Chromecast being built in (heavily invested into Google products), but I seem to find that most prefer the Marantz for music and Pioneer for movies.

Anyone willing to persuade me towards the Pioneer? I've been reading through numerous threads, regarding MCAAC and no more class D amps being used. MCAAC doesn't seem to be that big of a deal, as I can adjust to my liking, but for those long term Pioneer users... are the lack of D amps causing that much of a difference?

I just can't seem to find too much information, reviews, etc. on the LX503 (plenty on the LX502 though).

Will I be satisfied with either for music? Am I overthinking it here?

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Well, yesterday I made the choice to return the 503 and picked up a Denon avrz4500h. Of course it was not in the same price range, but it does in fact work with the Apple tv4k.
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Well, yesterday I made the choice to return the 503 and picked up a Denon avrz4500h. Of course it was not in the same price range, but it does in fact work with the Apple tv4k.
Outside of the issues with the Apple devices, any other reason why you made the jump? If you don't mind me asking.
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Well, yesterday I made the choice to return the 503 and picked up a Denon avrz4500h. Of course it was not in the same price range, but it does in fact work with the Apple tv4k.
Outside of the issues with the Apple devices, any other reason why you made the jump? If you don't mind me asking.
I was also having issues with arc also, which was not the fault of the 503. I was pleased with the 503 outside of the Apple issue. I do feel that the Denon has better sound, but that could just be that I want to believe it was worth the extra cost. Doubtful that it was, but the Denon does have IMAX, lol!!!
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I was also having issues with arc also, which was not the fault of the 503. I was pleased with the 503 outside of the Apple issue. I do feel that the Denon has better sound, but that could just be that I want to believe it was worth the extra cost. Doubtful that it was, but the Denon does have IMAX, lol!!!
Fsuhammond, after spending a bunch of time with the Pioneer folks, we were unable to resolve things. They believed it was an issue with the ATV. Finally gave up and returned the 503 yesterday. Got a great deal on a Marantz 7012, works awesome.
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I was also having issues with arc also, which was not the fault of the 503. I was pleased with the 503 outside of the Apple issue. I do feel that the Denon has better sound, but that could just be that I want to believe it was worth the extra cost. Doubtful that it was, but the Denon does have IMAX, lol!!!
Fsuhammond, after spending a bunch of time with the Pioneer folks, we were unable to resolve things. They believed it was an issue with the ATV. Finally gave up and returned the 503 yesterday. Got a great deal on a Marantz 7012, works awesome.
I’m willing to bet that you changed nothing within the atv settings and just connected to the Marantz and it worked properly. Is that about right?
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I’m willing to bet that you changed nothing within the atv settings and just connected to the Marantz and it worked properly. Is that about right?
Yep, no changes on the ATV side. Worked as expected with the Marantz. Pioneer said they tested it with the 501 and 303, both worked with the ATV, but I still had no luck. I've moved on and really happy with the Marantz.
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I’m willing to bet that you changed nothing within the atv settings and just connected to the Marantz and it worked properly. Is that about right?
Yep, no changes on the ATV side. Worked as expected with the Marantz. Pioneer said they tested it with the 501 and 303, both worked with the ATV, but I still had no luck. I've moved on and really happy with the Marantz.
Glad you found a solution to your issue also. Just sucks because I’m really happy with my old 301 and wanted to stick with pioneer again, but that’s just the way it works sometimes.
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Fsuhammond, after spending a bunch of time with the Pioneer folks, we were unable to resolve things. They believed it was an issue with the ATV. Finally gave up and returned the 503 yesterday. Got a great deal on a Marantz 7012, works awesome.
Thanks for posting this. I'm shopping for my first Atmos receiver, and the 303 and 503 were at the top of my list because I can get a really good price on them through work. But I'm buying to get Atmos, and if it doesn't work with one of my main sources that is a deal breaker.

I'm wondering if the Onkyo models have the same issue, as they are basically the same under the hood? Looks like Denon and Marantz will shift to the top of my list. They are more expensive in NZ, and I can't get a better discount by buying through work, but at least they work.

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LX503 7.1.4 with external amps

I am looking to replace my VSX-33 with the VSX-LX503. Page 55 of the manual indicates that by using a 2 channel external amp for the for the back surrounds you can connect 2 pairs of height speakers for 7.1.4 sound. I would just like to confirm this and also confirm that I can actually use 7 channels of external power (pre-outs) for the L/C/R and LS/RS and Back LS/RS and then connect the 4 ceiling speakers directly to the LX503 for 7.1.4.

Has anyone done this to confirm?

An Onkyo representative indicated that this can’t be done and that I would need the SC-LX801 for 11 channel processing. Even though page 55 of the manual say 7.1.4 is possible and the AVR description says “By adding an external amplifier, the 9.2ch AV receiver can be expanded to decode 11ch to drive the 7.2.4ch configuration of the latest theater sound platform, Dolby Atmos®.”

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Is the only difference between the LX303 and the LX503 20 watts?
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@sgrosz I read the same thing in another Pioneer based thread, but bottom line, the lx303/503 are 9.2 channels max so you cannot add an external amp for 2 more channels. The Denon x4400 and maybe sister Marantz SR6012 are the only two receivers that I know that have 9 channels but can expand to 11.2 with an external amp. I don't own either of those, so someone who owns one might be able to confirm 100%.
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Eriksells916, thanks for the response. I did purchase the LX503 last week along with 4 Polk Audio MC60’s and completed the install. (11 hours to install 4 ceiling speakers 😊 ). The LX503 does in fact expand to 7.1.4 with the addition of external amps.

I have an Emotiva XPA-3 for my L/C/R and an Emotiva UPA-500 for my LS/RS/BLS/BRS both connected to the pre-outs on the LX503. I then have 4 MC60’s connected directly to the Height 1 and Height 2 speaker connections on the LX503. Running MCACC, the AVR recognizes 11 independent channels.

I have watched Solo, Ant-man and the Wasp, Infinity War, Spiderman: Homecoming, Black Panther and several episodes of Westworld and they sound amazing. Westworld and Spiderman are particularly incredible.

Just FYI for anyone else wanting to give this setup a try.

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