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What is your source for playing 4k content?

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PC, Radeon RX 580. Kodi DSPlayer, MadVR.
I've seen a lot of people that have issues with 4k and graphics cards. I think when you use a PC as a source, there are so many variables that could cause an issue. You should consider getting an Nvidia Shield. Mine runs Kodi flawlessly. I was using a PC for a HTPC, and got tired of all the issues.

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I've seen a lot of people that have issues with 4k and graphics cards. I think when you use a PC as a source, there are so many variables that could cause an issue. You should consider getting an Nvidia Shield. Mine runs Kodi flawlessly. I was using a PC for a HTPC, and got tired of all the issues.

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I have a Shield, I frankly don't like it. My Shield TV is not 4k, but how does Shield handle DTS-HD and other HD audios? Also HDR?

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I have a Shield, I frankly don't like it. My Shield TV is not 4k, but how does Shield handle DTS-HD and other HD audios? Also HDR?
It handles HDR and all the newest audios perfectly, including Atmos. I love it.

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It handles HDR and all the newest audios perfectly, including Atmos. I love it.

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Do you have it going through your LX503?

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Do you have it going through your LX503?
Yup, I have it plugged into the Blu-ray HDMI port. I'm telling you, get the 4k Shield, and do away with your PC. Your issues will go away. If you need help setting up Kodi on the Shield, I can give you all the settings to use.

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Yup, I have it plugged into the Blu-ray HDMI port. I'm telling you, get the 4k Shield, and do away with your PC. Your issues will go away. If you need help setting up Kodi on the Shield, I can give you all the settings to use.

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But do you have 'Enhanced Mode' turned on in the Pioneer for that HDMI port?

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But do you have 'Enhanced Mode' turned on in the Pioneer for that HDMI port?
Yes, no issues. I'm getting 12 bit 4:4:2 when watching HDR on the Shield.

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Considering upgrading from my old Pio Elite VSX-01, and in the process integrating a zone 2 in my home. I would like to know what inputs can actually be sent to zone 2 and what are the limitations while zone 1 is running 7.1...

The docs state:

"HDMI 1-3 sources .... Analog, Bluetooth, USB and NET .... You can enjoy 2-ch audio in the separate room (ZONE 2/ZONE 3) while performing playback in the main room (where this unit is located). The same source can
be played back in the main room and ZONE 2/ZONE 3 simultaneously. Also, different sources can be played back in both rooms. For the "NET" or "BLUETOOTH"
input selector, you can select only the same source for the main room and separate room. If you select "NET" in the main room and then select "BLUETOOTH" in the
separate room, the main room setting switches to "BLUETOOTH"."

There is also mention of having to switch inputs from external AV components down to stereo if I want to also send signals to zone 2.

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So I guess my question is this, I have a 7.1 system set up, and I also want to set up stereo speakers elsewhere. I do not want an external amp. Can I:
- Run 7.1 in the theater area (let's say using HDMI 1) and run a stereo signal to zone 2 from either HDMI 2/3?
- Run 7.1 in the theater area (let's say using HDMI 1) and duplicate the audio in zone 2 w/o changing the input audio to stereo?
- Run 7.1 in the theater area and send a signal from an analog source (Amazon Echo) to zone 2 simultaneously?
- Run 7.1 in the theater area and send music via chromecast / pandora / bluetooth to zone 2?

Thanks all, I've read and read the manuals a million times and still can't figure out the capabilities...
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Yup, I have it plugged into the Blu-ray HDMI port. I'm telling you, get the 4k Shield, and do away with your PC. Your issues will go away. If you need help setting up Kodi on the Shield, I can give you all the settings to use.

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I visited the Kodi Shield forum and don't like what I read. Android 9 is producing wrong colors. The upscaler is limited for 1080P>4k, that's an area where madVR is amazing. Overall my experience with Kodi on Android has been disappointing.

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I visited the Kodi Shield forum and don't like what I read. Android 9 is producing wrong colors. The upscaler is limited for 1080P>4k, that's an area where madVR is amazing. Overall my experience with Kodi on Android has been disappointing.
Here are some screenshots from my Epson 5050 playing 4k content from my Shield using Kodi. Do you see any wrong colors?

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Here are some screenshots from my Epson 5050 playing 4k content from my Shield using Kodi. Do you see any wrong colors?

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I have compared Kodi without madVR vs with madVR and there is a very noticeable improvement on my PC with the LG C9. Your Avatar photo, I know that movie well and it looks terrible. madVR would be a much more detailed picture.

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I visited the Kodi Shield forum and don't like what I read. Android 9 is producing wrong colors. The upscaler is limited for 1080P>4k, that's an area where madVR is amazing. Overall my experience with Kodi on Android has been disappointing.
Here's a couple other guys in these forums saying the same as I said.

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I have compared Kodi without madVR vs with madVR and there is a very noticeable improvement on my PC with the LG C9. Your Avatar photo, I know that movie well and it looks terrible. madVR would be a much more detailed picture.
Avatar is actually 1080p, along with Mad Max. Chappie and Exodus Gods and Kings are both 4k.

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Avatar is actually 1080p, along with Mad Max. Chappie and Exodus Gods and Kings are both 4k.

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That's my point the 1080 content is going to look much better using madVR. I have done the comparison as have many others in the Kodi forum, by far nobody argues the point, madVR is superior at upscaling. I watch a lot of 1080 content so that is important for me.

What bugs me is I can bypass the receiver and 12bit works great but then eARC fails to play any HD audio sources correctly via the Pioneer. Can't win.

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That's my point the 1080 content is going to look much better using madVR. I have done the comparison as have many others in the Kodi forum, by far nobody argues the point, madVR is superior at upscaling. I watch a lot of 1080 content so that is important for me.



What bugs me is I can bypass the receiver and 12bit works great but then eARC fails to play any HD audio sources correctly via the Pioneer. Can't win.
I thought the whole point of eARC was to be able to play all the newer HD audio formats, where ARC wasn't able to?

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I thought the whole point of eARC was to be able to play all the newer HD audio formats, where ARC wasn't able to?

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That's the way it's supposed to work but it's not. There is a dedicated thread here about the compatibility of eARC and it's not that stable (yet). The eARC issue because I don't have any other equipment to test with could be the receiver or the LG C9. The LX503 will also not work with AT&T STB boxes. No audio!! Yet my 10 yr old Pioneer receiver works fine with the AT&T box. So in this case my AT&T goes directly to the TV and regular ARC passes the audio back.

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That's the way it's supposed to work but it's not. There is a dedicated thread here about the compatibility of eARC and it's not that stable (yet). The eARC issue because I don't have any other equipment to test with could be the receiver or the LG C9. The LX503 will also not work with AT&T STB boxes. No audio!! Yet my 10 yr old Pioneer receiver works fine with the AT&T box. So in this case my AT&T goes directly to the TV and regular ARC passes the audio back.
Are your driver's updated on your video card? I looked up your card, and it was released in 2017? Are you sure it's eARC capable?

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Are your driver's updated on your video card? I looked up your card, and it was released in 2017? Are you sure it's eARC capable?

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The graphics card has nothing to do with being eARC compatible. It's the TV and receiver that need the proper handshaking. Both the TV and receiver are running the latest firmware. In my case the HD audio via eARC does not pass anything through to the rear speakers.

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The graphics card has nothing to do with being eARC compatible. It's the TV and receiver that need the proper handshaking. Both the TV and receiver are running the latest firmware. In my case the HD audio via eARC does not pass anything through to the rear speakers.
It's crazy because I had a weird problem with my new Denon, so I got the Pioneer, and it corrected my issue. I'm convinced that different brand receivers work differently in every setup. I know that doesn't solve your issue, but I'd be curious to see if a different brand receiver fixed your issue. Maybe go to Best Buy, and get a Shield. They have free returns, so try the Shield, and if it works, then you know it's a PC issue. At least you are eliminating one thing in your chain.

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It's crazy because I had a weird problem with my new Denon, so I got the Pioneer, and it corrected my issue. I'm convinced that different brand receivers work differently in every setup. I know that doesn't solve your issue, but I'd be curious to see if a different brand receiver fixed your issue. Maybe go to Best Buy, and get a Shield. They have free returns, so try the Shield, and if it works, then you know it's a PC issue. At least you are eliminating one thing in your chain.

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I have a Shield, it's in my other room with a Vizio cheapo 1080 TV hooked up to it. I hate the thing. The remote is dead, I hate using the game controller. I would need to get a USB keyboard for it. It does not work right, it refuses to show any show at 1080, it's stuck at 720. It was not always like that, since I took the Pie update, it broke it. I'm just fed up with the issues using that thing. Something is always crashing on it. I have been using Kodi on Windows for a really long time and with wonderful experience until I went 4k earlier this year.

None of the receivers are perfect, I see the complaints with the Denons, Yamaha and Onkyo. And since Onkyo bought Pioneer the inside guts are the same now. Another person on the reddit forums has the same setup as me with the exact same issues. And get this the Pioneer will not work with GTX nVidia cards connected to the LX503 and LG C9. It gets reported as a DVI 1080 connection. The whole thing is a stupid fest of problems.

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I have a Shield, it's in my other room with a Vizio cheapo 1080 TV hooked up to it. I hate the thing. The remote is dead, I hate using the game controller. I would need to get a USB keyboard for it. It does not work right, it refuses to show any show at 1080, it's stuck at 720. It was not always like that, since I took the Pie update, it broke it. I'm just fed up with the issues using that thing. Something is always crashing on it. I have been using Kodi on Windows for a really long time and with wonderful experience until I went 4k earlier this year.



None of the receivers are perfect, I see the complaints with the Denons, Yamaha and Onkyo. And since Onkyo bought Pioneer the inside guts are the same now. Another person on the reddit forums has the same setup as me with the exact same issues. And get this the Pioneer will not work with GTX nVidia cards connected to the LX503 and LG C9. It gets reported as a DVI 1080 connection. The whole thing is a stupid fest of problems.
Yeah, the more technology we get, the more screwed up things are getting. How are we in the year 2019, and still have handshake issues with new products????

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Pioneer VSX Remote Wrong Functions

My remote for the VSX 503 is doing some strange things. If I’m streaming a movie and press the status button, the movie goes into fast forward and there’s no screen display showing the audio and video formats. If I’m playing music from iTunes and press the status button, it jumps to the next song. I’m lost and can’t figure out weird behavior. Any ideas would be appreciated.
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Is there any reason why there's not a button on the remote for every input? Am I missing something?

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I'm trying to decide between this model and the Onkyo TX-RZ730 which are currently about the same street price.
They both process 7.2.4 and seem to be well rated which is what I'm looking for in an AVR. They also both have phono input which is a bonus.


I've placed the unique pros below that I'm aware of:

Onkyo TX-RZ730 Pros:
  • THX certified
  • $50 (approximately) cheaper
  • Anything I'm missing?

Pioneer VSX-LX503 Pros:
  • Higher wattage
  • Better DAC
  • Anything I'm missing?

I understand the Onkyo TX-RZ730 is closer to the Pioneer VSX-LX303 in terms of wattage though the 730 processes 7.2.4.
The 503 is currently about $50 more dollars, though still seems like a good deal for more wattage, 120 vs 100.
However the Onkyo's are "THX certified" where the Pioneer's I believe are not. I'm not sure if I should care as it seems THX is going the way of the Dodo. I haven't seen any mention of THX on most of the recent movies I've purchased.
According to this forum this 503 is essentially the same model as the Onkyo TX-RZ830 which is supposed to have a better DAC than the 730, I believe the 503 has the same DAC?

Any other brand I should be considering?
$500 is my limit, as far as my research indicates these models are the best deal for 7.2.4 Atmos (yes I have a secondary amp for the additional channels). The Pioneer is over budget but I'd do the extra $50 if it's the better option.

Thanks in advance for any insight you can provide.
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@NTTD I am in the same boat as you and have done nothing but window shop. Here is what I have read, good and bad.

The rz730 is good but its a pumped up lx303 with preouts and some better internals. The lx503 has better amps and an excellent phono stage, but handcuffed with the dreaded global crossover. However, some love it in their room so ymmv. The rz830 is supposed to be identical inside to the lx503, but has the more tweakable accueq advanced. Now the real issue. In 2019 PiOnkyo finally changed the old (dreaded) hdmi boards and circuits to all new ones. I can't find any deals on the lx503 or lx504 so if you really wanted to get the best of everything, go here and watch patiently https://www.onkyousa.com/product-category/web-only/

If not, they have an rz830 refurb with 1 yr warranty and free shipping just waiting for you!!!

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@NTTD I am in the same boat as you and have done nothing but window shop. Here is what I have read, good and bad.

The rz730 is good but its a pumped up lx303 with preouts and some better internals. The lx503 has better amps and an excellent phono stage, but handcuffed with the dreaded global crossover. However, some love it in their room so ymmv. The rz830 is supposed to be identical inside to the lx503, but has the more tweakable accueq advanced. Now the real issue. In 2019 PiOnkyo finally changed the old (dreaded) hdmi boards and circuits to all new ones. I can't find any deals on the lx503 or lx504 so if you really wanted to get the best of everything, go here and watch patiently.

If not, they have an rz830 refurb with 1 yr warranty and free shipping just waiting for you!!!

Keep us posted!
Was just coming back here to post the very same!
I found the refurb of the 830 at the factory store and purchased it.

I would have been fine with any of the three but I'm glad I got the upgraded Onkyo.
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@NTTD congrats!

We have pirated the lx503 thread so be sure to post your review/thoughts over in the 830 thread https://www.avsforum.com/forum/90-re...ceivers-5.html
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My VSX-LX303 won't start... Yust hearing a small click and the red off light moves to network.. same red light..

Any idea's what can be wrong?
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My VSX-LX303 won't start... Yust hearing a small click and the red off light moves to network.. same red light..

Any idea's what can be wrong?
Find out the problem.. We had family visiting for a week...... and somebody must have enter the factory reset something and probarly shut it down before done maby. When I was able to get it up and running again it says in the panel: System setup - check on tv. Funny thing is - now I can see all nine speakers in mt setup (5.4.1)are listed in front - I mean the ceiling speakers are suddenly in the display!...

Hopefully this means there have been a problem with that since I have suffered with hearing anything from the ceiling..

Lookin forward to see a dolby atmos movie now!
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