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I have a question - I am trying to run a 7.1.4 setup using a two-channel amp for the Height 2 speakers. I have the amp plugged into the Height 2/zone 3 pre-out. However, when I run test tones to check levels, the Height 2 speakers and surround back speakers all play when the Height 2 speakers are only supposed to be playing. Nothing plays through any speakers whenever I select the surround back channels. I tried different settings but cannot get it to work the way it should (surround back plays through the surround back channels and Height 2 through the external amp). I’m hoping I am missing a setting or configuration somehow and someone who has successfully set this up can help me. Help, please! Thanks in advance!
Did you use the power amp for the surround back pre-out (not the height pre-out) and connect your surround back speakers. Surround back speaker outputs on the Onkyo are used as height 2 in 7.1.4.
It is a bit odd and I had same problems when connecting RZ730. It is explained in the manual, but who reads those anyway ;-)
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I have a question - I am trying to run a 7.1.4 setup using a two-channel amp for the Height 2 speakers. I have the amp plugged into the Height 2/zone 3 pre-out. However, when I run test tones to check levels, the Height 2 speakers and surround back speakers all play when the Height 2 speakers are only supposed to be playing. Nothing plays through any speakers whenever I select the surround back channels. I tried different settings but cannot get it to work the way it should (surround back plays through the surround back channels and Height 2 through the external amp). I’m hoping I am missing a setting or configuration somehow and someone who has successfully set this up can help me. Help, please! Thanks in advance!
I figured this out and thought I would post here for anyone else having trouble. Apparently, you can only run an external amp to power the Surround back channels if you want the receiver to power the other 9. As such, you have to wire the Height 2 speakers to the Surround Back speaker terminals and connect the external amp that will power the actual Surround Back channels to the Surround Back preamp outs. I have no idea why that is, but this is the configuration to get 11.1 channels.

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I have a question - I am trying to run a 7.1.4 setup using a two-channel amp for the Height 2 speakers. I have the amp plugged into the Height 2/zone 3 pre-out. However, when I run test tones to check levels, the Height 2 speakers and surround back speakers all play when the Height 2 speakers are only supposed to be playing. Nothing plays through any speakers whenever I select the surround back channels. I tried different settings but cannot get it to work the way it should (surround back plays through the surround back channels and Height 2 through the external amp). I’️m hoping I am missing a setting or configuration somehow and someone who has successfully set this up can help me. Help, please! Thanks in advance!
Did you use the power amp for the surround back pre-out (not the height pre-out) and connect your surround back speakers. Surround back speaker outputs on the Onkyo are used as height 2 in 7.1.4.
It is a bit odd and I had same problems when connecting RZ730. It is explained in the manual, but who reads those anyway ;-)
Ha! Missed your post before posting... sorry. I did figure it out. Thanks for helping...
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I have a question about listening modes.

My older Onkyo avr has modes THX (Cinema, Music, etc, plus THX/ DTS), PLIIX (Movie, Music, etc), and Neo 6:Cinema in addition to the other basic modes (All Channel Sterio, Direct, Orchestra, Mono, etc.)

My TX-RZ630 has many mode listed in the manual (Dolby Atmos, DD-Dolby Audio), DD+, D Sur, DTHD, DSD, DTS, DTS Express, DTS-HD (HR & MST) DTS Neural:X, DTS:X. ES Discret and Matrix in addition to the other basic modes (e.g. Mono, Stereo, TV Logic, All Channel Stereo). However, only D Surround, and DTS Neural:X show up as options to select.

I see in the manual I have to set the audio output of the player to Bitstream to enable some of these other modes, but I can't see how to do this in the audio settings of my Sony Blu-Ray, or Sony 55x950G TV (which I use for one ARC connected app: Prime Video). Also, what about when I listen to music directly via the avr (Net radio for example)?

Is this something I should check with Onkyo about? Is it worth it?
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I figured this out and thought I would post here for anyone else having trouble. Apparently, you can only run an external amp to power the Surround back channels if you want the receiver to power the other 9. As such, you have to wire the Height 2 speakers to the Surround Back speaker terminals and connect the external amp that will power the actual Surround Back channels to the Surround Back preamp outs. I have no idea why that is, but this is the configuration to get 11.1 channels.
I am trying to do an 11.1 setup, but I am using an old Denon 5.1 receiver to power the surround back speakers. Does anyone have an idea if I should run the rca’s to a normal input(cd) or into the ext-in plugs? I’ve tried both but no luck. What am I missing?
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I am trying to do an 11.1 setup, but I am using an old Denon 5.1 receiver to power the surround back speakers. Does anyone have an idea if I should run the rca’s to a normal input(cd) or into the ext-in plugs? I’ve tried both but no luck. What am I missing?
Does the Denon have multichannel analog inputs? If it does, that is what you would use. BTW...what model is the Denon?

Some reading on the topic....
https://www.avsforum.com/forum/91-au...ernal-amp.html

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Does the Denon have multichannel analog inputs? If it does, that is what you would use. BTW...what model is the Denon?

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https://www.avsforum.com/forum/91-au...ernal-amp.html
Thanks so much, you sent me down the right path. My problem was the speakers connected to the external receiver must be hooked up to the main channel. I had them into surround-back. Ran an rca to the normal cd input and did direct. Thanks again.
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Anyone who has the 830 and previously the 818 care to comment on the dynamics of the 830. My 818 died and Ive been using a Yamaha and it sucks, too bright for me. I miss the 818 dynamics and bass management, the Yamaha comes off thin in comparison. Im also considering a NAD but seems to be a run of issues, the 818 had some but these seem to be fairly solid. Any thoughts appreciated.

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Anyone who has the 830 and previously the 818 care to comment on the dynamics of the 830. My 818 died and Ive been using a Yamaha and it sucks, too bright for me. I miss the 818 dynamics and bass management, the Yamaha comes off thin in comparison. Im also considering a NAD but seems to be a run of issues, the 818 had some but these seem to be fairly solid. Any thoughts appreciated.
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I did (and still do) have the 818, next to the RZ-730. I was trying to find out the same thing before buying, but could not really find an answer. Bottom line is you have to try it yourself, in your room with your setup.
I found the sound character to be similar with the 818 and more to my liking than the new Denon and Marantz machines (I've tried and compared Denon X3500, X4500, Marantz 7012, NAD T758v3 and now the Onkyo RZ-730). I found the NAD to have the better sound of all these. But it all depends on the combo with your speakers. I use mainly Dynaudio and they need some power. Denon was too harsh, I couldn't listen to stereo for more than 20 minutes. Movies however, were very solid, it created a good sound bubble.
I found the results of Audsyssey to be very unprecise. Every time I did a full calibration it sounded different. I had the same experience with the 818 (since it has the same Audyssey)

The NAD sounded really good in stereo but I found the surround effect to be less 'enveloping'. Next to that the NAD had some problems which might have to do with my specific device: I could swap it against a new one or have my money returned (I had it only for weeks). Since I was not to happy with the surround sound and it all felt a bit too shaky, I chose the money. But again, for the sound I'd chose NAD.

The 818 held up very good in stereo to all these new contenders but I really wanted Atmos. I got a good deal on the Onkyo RZ 730 and have to say I do not regret it, although I still can return it if I wanted to. It took some attempts to have the AccuEQ calibrating to my liking but it can create the sound bubble I was hoping for. In stereo I do not find it to be less than the 818.

Currently I'm also testing new speakers (Sonus Faber Principia), so I have to do some more listening to get a fair comparison with the 818.

About the RZ730/RZ830: I do not know what the exact differences are with the RZ 830, hard to find them at all. Biggest difference seems to be the weight and I can only think of th RZ-830 using a bigger power supply. I do not know.

If looking only at price difference, the Onkyo gives a lot of value for its money, since it can be compared to AVR's triple its price. WHy are they dumping the RZ830 in the USA?
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If looking only at price difference, the Onkyo gives a lot of value for its money, since it can be compared to AVR's triple its price. WHy are they dumping the RZ830 in the USA?
Likely because of the new RZ840, in the US newer models are always considered to be better whether that is true or not.

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thanks @NoFuzz that is another good review.

Onkyo doesn't seem to have the comparison tool anymore but from what I can see the rz830 has aluminum front door, airplay 2 and weighing 8 more pounds, probably much larger power supply?

Onkyo is probably getting rid of everything in a fire sale to try and impress the new ownership group. I still have pre-hdmi Integra gear and just this year lost the L channel on my 2 channel zone 2 amp, but no issues otherwise. I would love to see Onkyo make a comeback but I am sure Yamaha and Denon have been laughing all the way to the bank for the last 6 years. I hope the 2018/19 receivers have no hdmi board failures or quality issues!

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thanks @NoFuzz that is another good review.

... I would love to see Onkyo make a comeback but I am sure Yamaha and Denon have been laughing all the way to the bank for the last 6 years. I hope the 2018/19 receivers have no hdmi board failures or quality issues!

My $.02!
Although there definitely were problems; with the HDMI back in 2013 or so, the way Onkyo solved it (having the 818 shipped, repaired and returned for free after 5 years of usage) really gave me more trust in the company than Denon/Marantz. There, it is even hard to get a message through and takes weeks to have an naive answer of the receptionist...
The take-over or whatever they call it of Onkyo by D/M doesn't promise a brighter future...but it could be, you never know.

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thanks @NoFuzz that is another good review.

Onkyo doesn't seem to have the comparison tool anymore but from what I can see the rz830 has aluminum front door, airplay 2 and weighing 8 more pounds, probably much larger power supply?

Onkyo is probably getting rid of everything in a fire sale to try and impress the new ownership group. I still have pre-hdmi Integra gear and just this year lost the L channel on my 2 channel zone 2 amp, but no issues otherwise. I would love to see Onkyo make a comeback but I am sure Yamaha and Denon have been laughing all the way to the bank for the last 6 years. I hope the 2018/19 receivers have no hdmi board failures or quality issues!

My $.02!
I have to revoke my opinion on the RZ730. I've been comparing A/B now with two speaker sets (Dynaudio Audience 82 vs Sonus Faber Principia 5) and have to conclude that the RZ730 is not as powerful, does not have the authority and cleanliness of the 818. On the 818, voices are more pronounced, I hear more detail and the lower registers have more oomph...

I still get the feelinf that Onkyo made a "mistake" with the 818 and put too good a pre and powramp and powr supply than what was supposed to be there 😉 How else can it outplay a (doublepriced) more expensive, better specced Marantz 7012 and Denon X4500. In stereo that is.
I'm having a hard time selecting new components, probably have to spend more to get the same stereo performance and get Dolby Atmos in the same Machine.

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Anyone who has the 830 and previously the 818 care to comment on the dynamics of the 830. My 818 died and Ive been using a Yamaha and it sucks, too bright for me. I miss the 818 dynamics and bass management, the Yamaha comes off thin in comparison. Im also considering a NAD but seems to be a run of issues, the 818 had some but these seem to be fairly solid. Any thoughts appreciated.
I have the 818 as well as an older Integra pre-pro, and the RZ830 is like a child's toy by comparison. It is smaller, far, far lighter, and has limited total power output (all channels run). I regret "upgrading" to the 830 when my 818 failed. It is difficult to use the zone features as they require PCM input when you are probably using bitstream for all your main room listening. I have been in the Onkyo camp for decades, but this generation of product is genuinely pathetic. I can't understand how they call the RZs a premium offering.

I can't actually comment on the "dynamics" of it as it doesn't have the power to run my gear - I only use it to power the heights.
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Thanks for chiming in. I now miss my 818 even more and wish I would have picked up a used unit recently when I had the chance.

Thought I read somewhere there was another unit that sounded similar from Onkyo before they changed up. Power supply was the same. Could be wrong, cant find the thread
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Thanks for chiming in. I now miss my 818 even more and wish I would have picked up a used unit recently when I had the chance.

Thought I read somewhere there was another unit that sounded similar from Onkyo before they changed up. Power supply was the same. Could be wrong, cant find the thread
I could be mistaken but the "last" Onkyo model that remotely sounded and performed close to "classic" Onkyo AVR's was likely the RZ900...presumably the last Onkyo solely designed by Onkyo. Subsequent models were obviously heavily influenced by Pioneer's class D amps and power supply architecture and possibly impacted by Gibson's financial woes...hence diminished and a departure from classic Onkyo performance. It will be interesting to see how Onkyo products will be positioned by Sound United going forward.
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I could be mistaken but the "last" Onkyo model that remotely sounded and performed close to "classic" Onkyo AVR's was likely the RZ900...presumably the last Onkyo solely designed by Onkyo. Subsequent models were obviously heavily influenced by Pioneer's class D amps and power supply architecture and Gibson's financial woes...hence diminished and a departure from classic Onkyo performance. It will be interesting to see how Onkyo products will be positioned by Sound United going forward.
Dunno if my SR607 is 'classic' (it is WRAT, HCPS, pre-Pioneer, etc) but my NR656 sounds pretty much exactly like it but slightly better since the bass is a touch more controlled and dynamic.
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I am looking to get the 730. Do both HDMI's out (zone 1 and 2) output (pass through) 4K? I want one zone going to my TV and the other going to a projector in same room (pull down screen over the TV).
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So any of this is any better than a Pioneer VSX-LX503 9.2

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I am looking to get the 730. Do both HDMI's out (zone 1 and 2) output (pass through) 4K? I want one zone going to my TV and the other going to a projector in same room (pull down screen over the TV).
Yes, both HDMI outputs support 4K. If both your TV and Projector are 4K you will be fine, however if one of the displays is 1080p that will be the default output for both.

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So any of this is any better than a Pioneer VSX-LX503 9.2
Here's a breakdown article on the LX503 versus the RZ830. You decide.

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I could be mistaken but the "last" Onkyo model that remotely sounded and performed close to "classic" Onkyo AVR's was likely the RZ900...presumably the last Onkyo solely designed by Onkyo. Subsequent models were obviously heavily influenced by Pioneer's class D amps and power supply architecture and possibly impacted by Gibson's financial woes...hence diminished and a departure from classic Onkyo performance. It will be interesting to see how Onkyo products will be positioned by Sound United going forward.
Thanks Gene, thats what I was talking about. The 900 is pretty unavailable like the 818, ebay offerings are few. You don't know what you miss til its gone.
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I have to revoke my opinion on the RZ730. I've been comparing A/B now with two speaker sets (Dynaudio Audience 82 vs Sonus Faber Principia 5) and have to conclude that the RZ730 is not as powerful, does not have the authority and cleanliness of the 818. On the 818, voices are more pronounced, I hear more detail and the lower registers have more oomph...

I still get the feelinf that Onkyo made a "mistake" with the 818 and put too good a pre and powramp and powr supply than what was supposed to be there 😉 How else can it outplay a (doublepriced) more expensive, better specced Marantz 7012 and Denon X4500. In stereo that is.
I'm having a hard time selecting new components, probably have to spend more to get the same stereo performance and get Dolby Atmos in the same Machine.
How's the Marantz 7012? I was thinking of getting one to check out... you can find some deals now on these.
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How's the Marantz 7012? I was thinking of getting one to check out... you can find some deals now on these.
Hey I found one about 6 months ago on ebay from an authorized dealer for only $799 (open box). I asked on the forum since I was leaning towards the lx503 from Frys or the rz830 from Amazon. Well someone responded and said it had horrible hdmi issues so I passed and missed both the lx503 and rz830 deals. But now I cannot find anything regarding denon or marantz having hdmi issues.

Anyway, the lx503 seems to be the best deal now that the rz830 went up $150. The lx503 got excellent bench test results as well as an incredible phono stage. Doesn't have xt32 like the 7012 and probably doesn't have as much power but I don't need any of that in my living room theater.

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Hey I found one about 6 months ago on ebay from an authorized dealer for only $799 (open box). I asked on the forum since I was leaning towards the lx503 from Frys or the rz830 from Amazon. Well someone responded and said it had horrible hdmi issues so I passed and missed both the lx503 and rz830 deals. But now I cannot find anything regarding denon or marantz having hdmi issues.

Anyway, the lx503 seems to be the best deal now that the rz830 went up $150. The lx503 got excellent bench test results as well as an incredible phono stage. Doesn't have xt32 like the 7012 and probably doesn't have as much power but I don't need any of that in my living room theater.

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I found this review from Amazon... the guy had a 818 which we all liked, but said the Marantz beats it... so, i think this might seal the deal for me...

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I recently had to replace my Onkyo TX-NR818 receiver when it died from the Onkyo HDMI board defect. I was planning to replace it in any case since it had fallen behind in the AVR standards and versions rat race and didn't support some of my other equipment correctly. I had already decided that the Marantz 7012/7013 would replace the Onkyo and the "last years model" price drop for the 7012 sealed the deal for me. The Marantz has noticeably better sound quality than the Onkyo which I expected. Subjectively it has a smoother, less fatiguing sound than the Onkyo did and I find myself enjoying long sessions of music listening again. T
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@coolgeek I wish I saw that! nice find!
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Thanks again @gene4ht . I found a 900, already impressed after a few hours. The Yamaha 2080 has been exiled
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I found this review from Amazon... the guy had a 818 which we all liked, but said the Marantz beats it... so, i think this might seal the deal for me...
I have to say I did not like the Marantz as much as the 818 in stereo. I think it depends very much on how it combines with your speakers. I used DYnaudio Audience 82, which maybe where in need of the bit of agression in the Onkyo.

THis week I returned to the NAD T758v3 because the trouble I had has been solved now (stereo image unregularities with DIRAC and hi-res tracks) and the new T758v3 I recieved is spanking brand new from the factory and has the black mic (oppposed to the white one, which gave problems in my previous T758v3).

If you can get the 7012 for $ 799,- that is about half the price of the NAD, I'm sure you'll be happy with it. Here in Europe I didn't saw prices below € 1000,-. You wil find the Marantz to be better in surround than the Onkyo!
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I have to say I did not like the Marantz as much as the 818 in stereo. I think it depends very much on how it combines with your speakers. I used DYnaudio Audience 82, which maybe where in need of the bit of agression in the Onkyo.

THis week I returned to the NAD T758v3 because the trouble I had has been solved now (stereo image unregularities with DIRAC and hi-res tracks) and the new T758v3 I recieved is spanking brand new from the factory and has the black mic (oppposed to the white one, which gave problems in my previous T758v3).

If you can get the 7012 for $ 799,- that is about half the price of the NAD, I'm sure you'll be happy with it. Here in Europe I didn't saw prices below € 1000,-. You wil find the Marantz to be better in surround than the Onkyo!
I should have snapped up one I saw on Amazon awhile back for $800 but it's gone now... the cheapest used one with blemishes on it is not at close to $1K. If I add on shipping to my country and pay tax, it's going to be closer to $1300. I can get the Marantz 7013 new, here for about $1500 now locally.
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