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Denon x4400 or x6400

Need help.

Room Size: 45 x 15 x 9
Use: 90% HT / 10% Music

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Dual SVS PB-2000

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LSS - Infinity R162
RSS -Infinity R162
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Looking to add 4 in-ceiling speakers most likely RSL C34E.

Which AVR should I get? I know the x4400 can only power 9 channels and I would have to add a 2 channel amp to power the other 2 (rears). But it's only around $1.1k vs the x6400 which goes for $700 more. A 2 channel amp goes for around $200.

Which is more practical?
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I've got a 4300 that I use essentially as a pre/pro with a couple of ATI amps. You may want to consider a nice amp for your mains and possibly enough channels for your center and surrounds (2 to 5 or 7 channels). The advantage to this is you'll always have enough amplification channels so you don't have to buy the extra amplification channels every time you buy a new AVR. We did some blind testing with a couple of systems and couldn't hear the difference between a Marantz 8802 and the Denon 4300 using the same external amps. Just a thought to consider. . .
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You might want to see if Crutchfield or B&H Photo still have 6300's. I got a good price on one and have been quite pleased so far (I upgraded from a 5200).
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You might want to see if Crutchfield or B&H Photo still have 6300's. I got a good price on one and have been quite pleased so far (I upgraded from a 5200).
Thanks for the tip. 6300s are going for $1,500 everywhere including eBay.
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I've got a 4300 that I use essentially as a pre/pro with a couple of ATI amps. You may want to consider a nice amp for your mains and possibly enough channels for your center and surrounds (2 to 5 or 7 channels). The advantage to this is you'll always have enough amplification channels so you don't have to buy the extra amplification channels every time you buy a new AVR. We did some blind testing with a couple of systems and couldn't hear the difference between a Marantz 8802 and the Denon 4300 using the same external amps. Just a thought to consider. . .
Can you recommend budget 2 channel amps?
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Can you recommend budget 2 channel amps?
I think there are some amps listed in the main model year Denon threads. I think @jdsmoothie posted the recommendations.
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Can you recommend budget 2 channel amps?
The most often recommended 2CH amp is the AudioSource Amp100VS (50W) from Amazon.
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The most often recommended 2CH amp is the AudioSource Amp100VS (50W) from Amazon.
Cool. Thanks! That's affordable. Sorry noob question. How do I connect this to the AVR let's say Denon 4400?
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Cool. Thanks! That's affordable. Sorry noob question. How do I connect this to the AVR let's say Denon 4400?
The Denon AVRs are covered each year in their respective Owner's thread. Review posts 1-8 in the 2017 Denon AVR Owner's thread for more helpful information and specifically post 8 for expanding the X4400H from 9CH --> 11CH.

https://www.avsforum.com/forum/90-rec...l#post51748441
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The Denon AVRs are covered each year in their respective Owner's thread. Review posts 1-8 in the 2017 Denon AVR Owner's thread for more helpful information and specifically post 8 for expanding the X4400H from 9CH --> 11CH.

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Which route should I go?

Denon 4400 ($1,100) + AudioSource Amp100VS (50W) from Amazon ($150) = $1,250

or

Denon 6300 ($1,500)
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Which route should I go?

Denon 4400 ($1,100) + AudioSource Amp100VS (50W) from Amazon ($150) = $1,250

or

Denon 6300 ($1,500)
A one box solution is nice if you are not inclined to run more robust power for the L/C/R. The 6300 will have a slightly better build quality and its made in Japan. You likely will not be able to tell the difference between the two by listening to them and the features are pretty similar. I'd personally get the 6300 given your choices, but there's no wrong or bad answer.
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A one box solution is nice if you are not inclined to run more robust power for the L/C/R. The 6300 will have a slightly better build quality and its made in Japan. You likely will not be able to tell the difference between the two by listening to them and the features are pretty similar. I'd personally get the 6300 given your choices, but there's no wrong or bad answer.
I only need the amp to run 2 rear surrounds. Are all 6300 made in Japan? Having just one box is a plus for me. I'm trying to have as less gears as possible on my stage. On the other hand, the 4400 + amp will save me couple bucks.
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If you have the rack space, I'd go with the 4400 and Audiosource amp which will likely save you money in the long run by not having to purchase additional amplification channels in an AVR. As mentioned by @jjackkrash , you won't hear the difference between them. I'm not familiar with your speakers, but if they are power hungry or you listen LOUD, then you may want to consider a decent 3 or more channel amp (possibly used) to go with the 4400. Be sure to check with @jdsmoothie before purchasing elsewhere. He contributes a lot to the forum and will get you a good solution.
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Which route should I go?

Denon 4400 ($1,100) + AudioSource Amp100VS (50W) from Amazon ($150) = $1,250

or

Denon 6300 ($1,500)
Since you're in Los Angeles wait for Fry's to have another sale on the x4400. You'll save a few hundred dollars. Fry's puts this AVR on sale at least once a month for a week long period.

You can sign up for Fry's promo codes here.

https://www.frys.com/workflow/AcctMa...annertop032615

Pretty soon, either July or August everyone will start discounting the x4400 as they get ready for the x4500 which usually arrives late September.
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If you have the rack space, I'd go with the 4400 and Audiosource amp which will likely save you money in the long run by not having to purchase additional amplification channels in an AVR. As mentioned by @jjackkrash , you won't hear the difference between them. I'm not familiar with your speakers, but if they are power hungry or you listen LOUD, then you may want to consider a decent 3 or more channel amp (possibly used) to go with the 4400. Be sure to check with @jdsmoothie before purchasing elsewhere. He contributes a lot to the forum and will get you a good solution.
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Since you're in Los Angeles wait for Fry's to have another sale on the x4400. You'll save a few hundred dollars. Fry's puts this AVR on sale at least once a month for a week long period.

You can sign up for Fry's promo codes here.

https://www.frys.com/workflow/AcctMa...annertop032615

Pretty soon, either July or August everyone will start discounting the x4400 as they get ready for the x4500 which usually arrives late September.
Lowest at Fry's was $899 3 months ago. I guess no tax as well. The amp is $100 at Crutchfield. Total would be $1,000. Not bad vs $1,500 for 6300.
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Lowest at Fry's was $899 3 months ago. I guess no tax as well. The amp is $100 at Crutchfield. Total would be $1,000. Not bad vs $1,500 for 6300.
Fry's in Norcal had that price two weeks ago.They seem to to have it on sale every 3-4 weeks.
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I guess no tax as well. The amp is $100 at Crutchfield. Total would be $1,000.
As a reminder .. there is no price discussion in AVS Forum threads other than the stickied Deals thread.

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Are all 6300 made in Japan?
As far as I know, yes, the 6300 (and 6400), 7200, 8500, and Marantz flagship processor (8802/8805) are all made in Japan.
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With the current eBay sale, I can get this 6300 for $999. Brand new is $1,500. Anyone with experience purchasing from ListenUp?
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This is going to sound like a daft question but if you have an external amp powering 2 speakers do the pre-outs also send volume information so when you increase volume on the main AVR the volume also goes up on the external AMP?
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This is going to sound like a daft question but if you have an external amp powering 2 speakers do the pre-outs also send volume information so when you increase volume on the main AVR the volume also goes up on the external AMP?
That is correct.
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