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Pioneer VSX-33 upgrade - Suggest new receiver!

I have a Pioneer VSX-1325 which from what I can tell is a VSX-33 Elite clone. I bought it new and it worked well for years until I blew the power transformer 3 years ago. Since replacing it I have had recurring problems. The av input switching won't work properly and sometimes when I power it off it stays on in a frozen state.



So I am thinking of upgrading.


I know the VSX-33/1325 is 8 years old but it was a pretty solid performing AV receiver.


What is a current 7.1 AV receiver that compares or exceeds the one I have now in the $400-$600 price range? With how fast technology moves, I would assume most of them would be better than what I have, but just want to be sure. Just about the only requirements I have are that 2 HDMI outputs are a must.



Thanks.

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I am still in the market for a new receiver. Technology is advancing lightning fast.


What is a good replacement for my Pioneer VSX-1325 / VSX-33?


I am still in the $500-$600 CAD range.
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@89fast5oh if you want to keep 7 channels and are just looking to update to 4k, atmos, etc. then here are some popular options.

Most of these are all on sale for about $300-$600 US because their new 2019 models are coming out soon.

Check Amazon.ca for features and pricing as I am not sure what the exchange rate is.

Denon- x2400/x3400

Yamaha- rx-a760/a770

Pioneer- vsx933/lx302/lx103

onkyo- nr676/686/777
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@89fast5oh if you want to keep 7 channels and are just looking to update to 4k, atmos, etc. then here are some popular options.

Most of these are all on sale for about $300-$600 US because their new 2019 models are coming out soon.

Check Amazon.ca for features and pricing as I am not sure what the exchange rate is.

Denon- x2400/x3400

Yamaha- rx-a760/a770

Pioneer- vsx933/lx302/lx103

onkyo- nr676/686/777



Thanks for the response.



I should have given more info of what I am looking for.



I do want to keep the 7.2, no need for anything more. The 1 feature I really like about my Pioneer is the dual HDMI output. I run one to my TV and one to my Projector. That eliminates the need for a splitter. Not the end of the world though.


I always found the picture noisy/grainy when ran through my current receiver. When the source was plugged directly into the TV/projector it was crystal clean.



Do the current receivers with 4k do a better job processing the picture?
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@89fast5oh most of them have independent hdmi zones but verify before pulling the trigger. They all do 4k, atmos, some do DV but your tv will need to be compatible first.

Yes tv's, especially new ones have a much better scaler so all of these receivers have what is called pass-through and doesn't touch the video.


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One local shops sells Pioneer Elite and the other sells Onkyo. I've come to learn Pioneer is owned by Onkyo.


The Elite VSX-LX103 and Onkyo TR-NX686 are priced the same. $500 CAD. The 686 offers 2 HDMI outputs, the LX103 only has 1. I would need a splitter with the LX103. I have had both Onkyo and Pioneer receivers in the past. Both have served me well.



The shop also has a used Pioneer Elite SC-77 on consignment. I don't know of the price but it is about 6-7 years old. I know the owner of the shop (been in business 60 years), and he said a guy bought it, never used it and then bought a new one. I trust him when he tells me it is like new condition.



I don't know if the SC-77 is something I should consider. When new it was a heck of a unit.
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@89fast5oh if you want to keep 7 channels and are just looking to update to 4k, atmos, etc. then here are some popular options.

Most of these are all on sale for about $300-$600 US because their new 2019 models are coming out soon.

Check Amazon.ca for features and pricing as I am not sure what the exchange rate is.

Denon- x2400/x3400

Yamaha- rx-a760/a770

Pioneer- vsx933/lx302/lx103

onkyo- nr676/686/777



I have found the VSX-LX302 for $500 CAD. The VSX-LX103 is the same price.



I would assume the LX302 is still much better than the LX103?
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@89fast5oh that sc-77 is a beast. Big fan of those old class D amps. It has 4k pass through but no atmos and will not play any uhd or dv through the receiver since it is hdmi 1.4a and not hdcp 2.2 compatible. So you will have to run the hdmi directly from the 4k source (xbox one, blue ray, etc.) to the tv then an optical cable back to the sc77 for audio. It will rock your living room as long as your speakers aren't htib or soundbar!

Yes the lx302 is a good 2017 model that can do everything you want (not sure about DV). It has dual hdmi outs, but those are not independent, they will play the same source to two tv's or a tv and pj.

The onkyo 686 and the Denon x2400 are almost identical to the lx302 and those 3 receivers are compared all the time, along with the sony str-dn1080. The onkyo has more power but doesn't have a detachable power cord, the Sony sound is supposed to be real nice but the room correction is suspect and I don't think it has all of the same features as the others. The Denon typically wins most mid-level competitions as it has a ton of features, not a lot of reliability issues reported, good room correction, all 7 hdmi inputs are 4k uhd, hdr10, bt2020 and it has a decent phone app.

All said and done, they will probably all sound the exact same in your room. So choose one based on price or maybe their wireless solution. Denon = heos, Pioneer and onkyo have flareconnect.

Good luck!
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@89fast5oh that sc-77 is a beast. Big fan of those old class D amps. It has 4k pass through but no atmos and will not play any uhd or dv through the receiver since it is hdmi 1.4a and not hdcp 2.2 compatible. So you will have to run the hdmi directly from the 4k source (xbox one, blue ray, etc.) to the tv then an optical cable back to the sc77 for audio. It will rock your living room as long as your speakers aren't htib or soundbar!

Yes the lx302 is a good 2017 model that can do everything you want (not sure about DV). It has dual hdmi outs, but those are not independent, they will play the same source to two tv's or a tv and pj.

The onkyo 686 and the Denon x2400 are almost identical to the lx302 and those 3 receivers are compared all the time, along with the sony str-dn1080. The onkyo has more power but doesn't have a detachable power cord, the Sony sound is supposed to be real nice but the room correction is suspect and I don't think it has all of the same features as the others. The Denon typically wins most mid-level competitions as it has a ton of features, not a lot of reliability issues reported, good room correction, all 7 hdmi inputs are 4k uhd, hdr10, bt2020 and it has a decent phone app.

All said and done, they will probably all sound the exact same in your room. So choose one based on price or maybe their wireless solution. Denon = heos, Pioneer and onkyo have flareconnect.

Good luck!

I'm leaning towards the Onkyo 686. The only other local model is the Pioneer VSX-LX103.


Between those 2, which do you think would be the better buy? The Pioneer only has 1 HDMI out. I would have to get a splitter.



I am waiting to hear back on a price of a Yamaha RX-A770. The clearance price is $300 more than the Onkyo or Pioneer. If the guy will come down I may choose it.
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@89fast5oh ok first, the lx103 and 686 are almost identical with the lx103 having video upscaling, detachable cord and mcacc basic. The 686 has more power, more inputs, dual hdmi out and advance accueq.

just to throw a wrench in things again, if you can find last years nr676, you get almost the same features as the 686 minus hlg and accueq advance.


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@89fast5oh ok first, the lx103 and 686 are almost identical with the lx103 having video upscaling, detachable cord and mcacc basic. The 686 has more power, more inputs, dual hdmi out and advance accueq.

just to throw a wrench in things again, if you can find last years nr676, you get almost the same features as the 686 minus hlg and accueq advance.


Good luck!

Local shop has a VSX-LX301 for about $150 more than the LX103. LX301 is a few years old tech so would it be worth it to go with it over a LX103 or NR686?
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@89fast5oh I don't recommend going that old, if you do then get the sc-77 and run your hdmi through the tv.

lx103, x2400 and 686 are good receivers. The lx103 and x2400 have 3 yr warranties from authorized sellers, if that helps? If they are refurbished or used then get the cheapest one and see if you can negotiate any sort of return policy just in case.
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@89fast5oh I don't recommend going that old, if you do then get the sc-77 and run your hdmi through the tv.

lx103, x2400 and 686 are good receivers. The lx103 and x2400 have 3 yr warranties from authorized sellers, if that helps? If they are refurbished or used then get the cheapest one and see if you can negotiate any sort of return policy just in case.

The Pioneer does video upscaling. My cable content is SD run through RCA cables, so Analog. No option for HD or HDMI. Will the Pioneer LX103 upscale Analog AV RCA signal and output it to the HDMI TV?


The Pioneers are from an authorized retailer so they have 3 year warranty, which is a huge plus.

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I am going to the city over today and am going to look at Pioneer VSX-LX303/503 and maybe a Denon X3400/X3500.


I like the Denon because it does analog source to HDMI upscaling. Which 95% of my video watching will come from.



I've decided to blow the budget out of the water and hopefully get a receiver that will last 10+ years like my Pioneer VSX-1325 has.
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I am going to the city over today and am going to look at Pioneer VSX-LX303/503 and maybe a Denon X3400/X3500.

I like the Denon because it does analog source to HDMI upscaling. Which 95% of my video watching will come from.

I've decided to blow the budget out of the water and hopefully get a receiver that will last 10+ years like my Pioneer VSX-1325 has.

Ok so now that you are in that category, here are the pros/cons of each.

lx303 - 9 channels, up-scaling but mcacc basic room correction with max (5.1.4) atmos
lx503 - 9 but can go to 11 channels, up-scaling, mcacc basic but good power, excellent phono stage and full preouts for amps down the road if you need more power with max (7.1.4) atmos
x3400- good HT receiver with excellent room correction, up-scaling, can correct dual subs, and full pre-outs but max 7 channels (5.1.2) and no phono
x3500h - same features as x3400 but now has phono input
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I decided on the Pioneer VSX-LX303. While my budget was flexible I was getting apprehensive of spending $1000 CAD after taxes on a X3500H or LX503.



I feel the LX303 will do everything I need it to, and remain useful for many many years. It has HDMI upscaler, 9.2, and dual HDMI outputs. The place I got it from is an authorized retailer, so I get the full 3 year warranty.
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