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I have the A3060, is it worth replacing with the A3080?
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I have the A3060, is it worth replacing with the A3080?
Well most on AVS are reporting the Surround AI is useless,
So are there any other things on the list you gain worth what you have to give up?
Only you can decide.

Some here would have you believe its worth it just for the remote alone,
So I guess it all depends on what your priorities are, not ours

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The 3060 and 3070 are pretty much the same,
and the only major difference from those over the 3050 was Dolby Vision
...and the Enhanced DSP mode.
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How to pair bluetooth headphones to new Yamaha receiver

Hi there,
I've utilized the info in the AVS Forum for a long time, but this is my first post.
I recently purchased a Yamaha RX-A1080 AV receiver to upgrade my system to 4K.
One feature I was attracted to was the ability to listen to my audio with bluetooth headphones, but despite my best efforts I cannot figure out how to pair my headphones with it! I've gone through the very long user manual, but they don't really discuss it. There are several long menus, but I can't find a bluetooth transmitter option.
I've seen some mention online of using Zone 2, but again, I can't find anything on my system.
Does anyone know how to do this? I'm pretty sure it's been a feature on the last few upper-line Yamaha receivers.
Thanks very much for any help you can provide!
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Yamaha discarded the BT transmit functionality in the 2018 (x080) models!
you should try to change the 1080 for a 1070
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Yep. The 2018 AVENTAGE line are Bluetooth *receivers* only. You can stream to them, but not from them.

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Thanks to all of your for your responses.
That's just so frustrating. I'm positive that streaming to a Bluetooth headset was listed as a feature when I was doing my research, but it seems sites have since changed that. It's so irritating that a useful feature like that was discarded.
I really like the new Surround Ai feature in the 1080, and I got a good price, so I guess I'll probably just run a long headphone cable when I want to use it..
Thanks again for your info though!
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Thanks to all of your for your responses.
That's just so frustrating. I'm positive that streaming to a Bluetooth headset was listed as a feature when I was doing my research, but it seems sites have since changed that. It's so irritating that a useful feature like that was discarded.
I really like the new Surround Ai feature in the 1080, and I got a good price, so I guess I'll probably just run a long headphone cable when I want to use it..
Thanks again for your info though!



A lot of website simply cut and paste last years info, add in a few new additions and then whack up a price on their site to attract buyers.
Putting it simply, they don't fact check or read manuals as it takes them too long - meaning they end up annoying customers.


Why remove Bluetooth output?
A lot of people wanted to watch TV and listen through Bluetooth headphones, however as you can't guarantee lip sync it would only serve to annoy people.
When Yamaha first released amps with the Bluetooth transmit functionality you could end up with lag that was close to 2 seconds! The latest generation to feature the tech was a lot better though, sometimes the lip sync would be out, but it would quickly catch back up. Still, it wasn't perfect so I'm guessing Yamaha wrote it off as a 'good idea', but 'not quite right'.
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A lot of website simply cut and paste last years info, add in a few new additions and then whack up a price on their site to attract buyers.
Putting it simply, they don't fact check or read manuals as it takes them too long - meaning they end up annoying customers.


Why remove Bluetooth output?
A lot of people wanted to watch TV and listen through Bluetooth headphones, however as you can't guarantee lip sync it would only serve to annoy people.
When Yamaha first released amps with the Bluetooth transmit functionality you could end up with lag that was close to 2 seconds! The latest generation to feature the tech was a lot better though, sometimes the lip sync would be out, but it would quickly catch back up. Still, it wasn't perfect so I'm guessing Yamaha wrote it off as a 'good idea', but 'not quite right'.
That's what I kinda figured regarding the websites. Yamaha is pretty price-fixed, and even Crutchfield had the wrong info initially. They've since fixed it (after I purchased, of course).

I'm a little surprised that the audio lag would still be much of a problem since I've never noticed it while using Bluetooth headphones on my iPad or laptop. Actually, I get more sync issues when watching streamed video sometimes.

Some people have suggested a 3rd party Bluetooth transmitter.. would that have similar (or worse) audio sync issues? I can use a cord, but it's just another coiled up wire I have to try to stuff into my entertainment center.

Thanks for the info!
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Got my new 3080 hooked up yesterday and ran YPAO. I was expecting pretty much the same sonic experience as my 3050, but it is definitely different. I don't know if it is a difference in YPAO causing it, but my speakers are even brighter and more forward then before. I need to hook back up my 3050 and look at the speaker settings to see what is different. I did watch Solo on it last night in Atmos and the experience was pretty good, but I would be curious how it compares to my 3050 now. I know music is a real mixed bag on it.

To backup the point around Surround: AI I would also agree it is pretty useless. Not sure what the point even is. Also, the remote is NOT aluminium as someone previously stated. It is 100% plastic, but still feels nice in the hand and I do appreciate the new backlighting. I do NOT like the flush, membrane buttons as it is much harder to tell exactly where my thumb is which sometimes leads to mistakes. I like the "improved" interface over my 3050, but I have no idea if it is any different than what was on the 3070/3060. The only trivial thing that has gotten under my skin is the use of 'Dsur' for Dolby Surround on the front display. My 3050 had the Dolby logo and 'Surround' after it. I don't care for it..... just feels kind of cheap.....
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On page 60 of the 1080 manual it states that ''Dolby Atmos contents are decoded as Dolby TrueHD or Dolby Digital Plus (when) neither surround back nor presence speakers are used.'' Does this mean that if you have front presence but no surround back speakers (in my case) that you won't be able to obtain Dolby Atmos?
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On page 60 of the 1080 manual it states that ''Dolby Atmos contents are decoded as Dolby TrueHD or Dolby Digital Plus (when) neither surround back nor presence speakers are used.'' Does this mean that if you have front presence but no surround back speakers (in my case) that you won't be able to obtain Dolby Atmos?
Since you have one of those (front presence), you will get Atmos in 5.1.2.

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I've owned Yamaha AV components exclusively since 1979, nearly 4 decades
...and this is the first year I almost switched over to team Marantz
Yamaha is on an another level reliability wise nowadays. At least I can read horror quality issue stories about Denon/Marantz, otherwise I would pick one of those since Denon or Marantz 9 channel AVRs are about 500 euros cheaper in my country... the 2080 is more than last years starting price for the 2070 for some reason.
I really like the new remotes for Yamaha, last years looked cluttered
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can the remote also control tv?
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On page 60 of the 1080 manual it states that ''Dolby Atmos contents are decoded as Dolby TrueHD or Dolby Digital Plus (when) neither surround back nor presence speakers are used.'' Does this mean that if you have front presence but no surround back speakers (in my case) that you won't be able to obtain Dolby Atmos?
It means that if you don't have beyond a 5.1 setup, that the Atmos meta data won't be played separately, rather it will simply be downmixed into the Dolby TrueHD or DD+ audio track.
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There are some reports in forums that the audio quality of the A3070 is lower than the A3060. I do not know if this is true.
As I have the A3060 and I like its quality too much, I'm afraid to switch to the A3080.
I have a doubt with regard to the A3080, it does not further decode Dolby Digital, DD + and Dolby TrueHD? Now it's Dolby Surround?
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There are some reports in forums that the audio quality of the A3070 is lower than the A3060. I do not know if this is true.
As I have the A3060 and I like its quality too much, I'm afraid to switch to the A3080.
I have a doubt with regard to the A3080, it does not further decode Dolby Digital, DD + and Dolby TrueHD? Now it's Dolby Surround?
The sound from the 3060 to 3070 is identical,
WhatHiFi simply got their review wrong, when they gave it a 3 star initial rating,
and later released a correction and apology for the low rating on the 3070.



Source: https://www.whathifi.com/yamaha/rx-a3070/review

All new 2018 Yamaha's still decode DD, DD+ and TrueHD
...the limitation is that you can no longer use a DTS based up-mixer (AKA Neural:X) on those sources.
Only Dolby Surround can be applied to a Dolby based audio source, or a standard Yamaha DSP mode.

This is imposed by Dolby, not Yamaha.

You cad still apply Dolby Surround on any audio source, even a DTS based format.
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Yamaha is on an another level reliability wise nowadays. At least I can read horror quality issue stories about Denon/Marantz, otherwise I would pick one of those since Denon or Marantz 9 channel AVRs are about 500 euros cheaper in my country... the 2080 is more than last years starting price for the 2070 for some reason.
I really like the new remotes for Yamaha, last years looked cluttered
I don't know about that, I bet on average a Denon or Marantz will last as long as a Yamaha. I can say for sure, a Yamaha would outlast a Harley Davidson. Sad but true
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Do you think the A3080 with the new DACs will play better DSD and FLAC than the A3060?
For use in stereo only.


Multichannel only for movies.
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I don't know about that, I bet on average a Denon or Marantz will last as long as a Yamaha.
The last time this was brought up....

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Another vote for Yamaha.. Higher reliability than Denon..

Just my $0.02..
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Could you link to the studies that show Yamaha as more reliable? I am a bit skeptical, especially since these manufacturers redesign their receivers every year. Any study would be very limited beyond the specific years or models in the study.

I sell computers and I regularly run into customers who believe one brand is better or worse than another in reliability, often based on a sample size of one from 10 years ago.
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NPD does an in-depth CE industry study every year, and Yamaha continues to be #1 in reliability and sales. The NPD results are watermarked and circulated within the trade not for general distribution. There are a number of factors that keeps Yamaha on top, these are:
1. Yamaha does their own design, hardware and software
2. Yamaha products are typically built in Yamaha owned factories
3. Yamaha has USA based tech support and they respond promptly so that any tech issue doesn't get blown out of proportion

Regarding changing design each year, it is correct there is new software that needs validation and debugging for new technologies and protocols. But many basic circuits such as power supplies, tuners, amplifiers are carried over from 1 year to the next..

No.. I don't work for Yamaha..

Just my $0.02...
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Is it a study or a survey? I get CEPro magazine and I know they do industry surveys which seem to me to be little more than popularity contests. Which doesn't make them useless but reliability is only one factor that an integrator will use to choose a brand to promote. I would love to see some hard data if it exists.

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NPD surveys key customers, installers, specialists, distributors about their sales by brand and price point, returns and support by the respective brands and their organization. Then the data is summarized and circulated as a study. However each respondent is under scrutiny and if the results are leaked outside they risk no longer receiving and/or particpation in the study/summary. In the past I have posted/summarized some of the key results....

Just my $0.02...

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I am an AV integrator and I just recently switched to using Yamaha receivers. I had been using Denon for quite a few years and got tired of the reliability issues and poor customer support for installers. The Denon protocol for integrating with control systems is terrible. Yamaha on the other hand has a great control protocol which was obviously well thought out and made for integrators. They actually have two ways to communicate with their receivers one which is web based for their apps and one which is more for control system communication. I received copies of both protocols with extensive details on their use - very impressive!

I contacted Yamaha support by email with several questions and they responded with useful answers within 24 hours. I still have unanswered questions from Denon from years ago that obviously won't ever be answered.

As for sound, I replaced a Denon AVR3312CI with an Aventage RX-A1050 in my own system. I have also installed the 3050, 1050, and 850 in customer systems. I am impressed with the build quality of the Yamaha. I would say it is slightly better than the Denon. Connector layouts were pretty straightforward and once again slightly better than the Denon. I have a 5 channel Monitor Audio speaker system and I think the sound is great from both receivers. I liked the Denon but I do think the clarity and imaging is be slightly better from the Yamaha.

I think the Yamaha App (iPad) is much better than the Denon and the web interface is great as well. There are actually two web interfaces - a simple control page with some limited features and functions and a much more in depth "setup" web page that gives you in depth control over every setting. I had to occasionally reboot (power cycle) the Denon as it would just stop communicating. I haven't had that issue with the Yamaha but have only had it installed for a month now.

Overall - Denon, Marantz and Yamaha are all good receivers but I think that Yamaha puts much more attention into the details and makes a superior receiver.

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Not only that...............

First off this is coming from a long time Yamaha fan, I still have a RX-2500 (Also have had an RX-2700, RX-A2010) in my office I bought new in like 2004 for an awesome office system.

The one thing that I really cant get is the fact that, yes the receiver will process 7.2.4 so long as you are completely fine with losing your zone 2 and zone three outputs. Also they have removed the multi-channel inputs. When I look at the back of one of these units I really am disappointed. Now I know that a lot of folks may never use the zone 2-3 or maybe even use the 7.2.4 but unfortunately the other manufacturers have it as an option on lower grade units than their top tier models. Not Yamaha, not any more. I am not sure who is guiding the ship there but I think they got on the wrong boat.

Again I am not hating on Yamaha, until recently it is all I had pretty much owned. But for the reasons above I have (To stay on the whole nautical theme) abandoned their ship, as I think some of their marketing folks have as well. If this suits your needs however enjoy and I hope nothing but the best of service for you from these units.

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Well most on AVS are reporting the Surround AI is useless...
That's interesting since it is the Biggest Change!

Your side by side display of the 2017 and 2018 Aventage Remotes is equally interesting. I like the eight Scene buttons on the new remote instead of the four on the old. But dropping from last year's total of 12 Scenes to this year's total of 8 Scenes is disappointing since there's so much customization one can squeeze into each of those Scene presets. Personally, I wish I had more than 12.

Question: I thought of upgrading to the 2070 last year but didn't because there was no Power Amp Assign that would allow for a 5.1.4 + Zone 2 configuration. My memory is that by using both pairs of front and rear presence (ATMOS) speakers, that there was no way to reassign the surround back speakers to Zone 2.

Does the 2080/3080 make more accommodations for x.x.4 setups for folks that want to output to a Zone 2?
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That's interesting since it is the Biggest Change!

Your side by side display of the 2017 and 2018 Aventage Remotes is equally interesting. I like the eight Scene buttons on the new remote instead of the four on the old. But dropping from last year's total of 12 Scenes to this year's total of 8 Scenes is disappointing since there's so much customization one can squeeze into each of those Scene presets. Personally, I wish I had more than 12.

Question: I thought of upgrading to the 2070 last year but didn't because there was no Power Amp Assign that would allow for a 5.1.4 + Zone 2 configuration. My memory is that by using both pairs of front and rear presence (ATMOS) speakers, that there was no way to reassign the surround back speakers to Zone 2.

Does the 2080/3080 make more accommodations for x.x.4 setups for folks that want to output to a Zone 2?
As noted in the A2080/A3080 Owner's manual, there has been no change in the Power Amp Assign settings. However, although not able to have a "powered" Zone 2, you can still use an external amp connected to the Zone 2 pre-outs.
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Not only that...............

First off this is coming from a long time Yamaha fan, I still have a RX-2500 (Also have had an RX-2700, RX-A2010) in my office I bought new in like 2004 for an awesome office system.

The one thing that I really cant get is the fact that, yes the receiver will process 7.2.4 so long as you are completely fine with losing your zone 2 and zone three outputs. Also they have removed the multi-channel inputs. When I look at the back of one of these units I really am disappointed. Now I know that a lot of folks may never use the zone 2-3 or maybe even use the 7.2.4 but unfortunately the other manufacturers have it as an option on lower grade units than their top tier models. Not Yamaha, not any more. I am not sure who is guiding the ship there but I think they got on the wrong boat.

Again I am not hating on Yamaha, until recently it is all I had pretty much owned. But for the reasons above I have (To stay on the whole nautical theme) abandoned their ship, as I think some of their marketing folks have as well. If this suits your needs however enjoy and I hope nothing but the best of service for you from these units.
With a 7.2.4 setup, you only lose the Zone 3 pre-outs, not the Zone 2 pre-outs (p. 33 Owner's manual).
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As noted in the A2080/A3080 Owner's manual, there has been no change in the Power Amp Assign settings. However, although not able to have a "powered" Zone 2, you can still use an external amp connected to the Zone 2 pre-outs.
It is clever how the 2070/2080 in a Power Amp Assign of 7.2.2 + 1 Zone, will disable the surround back speakers so that, whether Zone 1 is enabled or disabled, you're always using all nine internal amps.

All Yamaha would need to do for 5.2.4 + 1 Zone, is allow the unused surround back terminals to be assigned to Zone 2, and then disable the rear Presence speakers of the main zone when you enable Zone 2 -- again, always keeping all nine amps working. I should get paid for ideas like this!

Question: If, like you suggest for a 5.2.4 configuration, I use an external amp connected to the Zone 2 pre-outs of the 2070/2080, would Yamaha AV Controller let me turn on and off Zone 2, and let me control Zone 2 volume independent of the Main Zone?
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It is clever how the 2070/2080 in a Power Amp Assign of 7.2.2 + 1 Zone, will disable the surround back speakers so that, whether Zone 1 is enabled or disabled, you're always using all nine internal amps.

All Yamaha would need to do for 5.2.4 + 1 Zone, is allow the unused surround back terminals to be assigned to Zone 2, and then disable the rear Presence speakers of the main zone when you enable Zone 2 -- again, always keeping all nine amps working. I should get paid for ideas like this!

Question: If, like you suggest for a 5.2.4 configuration, I use an external amp connected to the Zone 2 pre-outs of the 2070/2080, would Yamaha AV Controller let me turn on and off Zone 2, and let me control Zone 2 volume independent of the Main Zone?
It should, yes.
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With a 7.2.4 setup, you only lose the Zone 3 pre-outs, not the Zone 2 pre-outs (p. 33 Owner's manual).
First off sorry for putting out bad information. What I do want to make clear is that I feel that there have been some corners cut and some (potential) necessities removed by Yamaha on what they promote as their "Flagship" AV receiver. Now probably most folks would never use the multi-channel in and not sure how many would use the full 7.2.4 in their homes. I just feel the "Flagship" should provide these options. Saying that however the price of the RX-A3080 is NOT up with the top level Marantz and Denon's. It is however at the level of a 7012 and even a 6012 price wise is less but has these options.

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Has anybody used Alexa to turn on/ off Zones on the new receivers? Change radio stations, volume...etc.

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MultiCast Surround

I just went over this in the lower 2018 Aventage thread and worth discussing here as well. Although the lower "A" models shipped with this feature on board, these higher models will receive the feature via a future firmware update (ETA unknown). Note however, that when using MusicCast speakers as wireless surrounds, you are limited to a 5.1 setup only.
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On the 3080, you can easily identify the incoming audio format via the onscreen display, but only when the display is set to the HDMI input for the receiver. Is there any way to get information on the audio format/channels when the display is on another input with the audio going to the Yamaha via ARC? I was hoping maybe the AV controller app would have that, but it doesn’t seem to.
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On the 3080, you can easily identify the incoming audio format via the onscreen display, but only when the display is set to the HDMI input for the receiver. Is there any way to get information on the audio format/channels when the display is on another input with the audio going to the Yamaha via ARC? I was hoping maybe the AV controller app would have that, but it doesn’t seem to.

Have you tried the MusicCast app? Does that show you what you're after?
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