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That worked. Thank you very much!! I now have "All Channel Stereo" for non-5.1 programming. One additional question - I used to be able to set the cable remote to turn everything on/off. Right now, it appears that I must use three remotes - one for TV, one for cable box, and one for Yamaha. Is there an opportunity to sync up all three pieces of equipment to permit the cable remote to turn on everything at the same time?
In Video/HDMI settings turn HDMI control ON and Standby Sync ON. Maybe you have to turn on CEC or HDMI control in your TV settings too. With this if I turn the TV off with the TV remote, the receiver turn off too and I can turn up/down the volume on both of the remote controls. I don't have cable box, but it should work too (turn on/off). Checn the settings for CEC/HDMI control.

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In Video/HDMI settings turn HDMI control ON and Standby Sync ON. Maybe you have to turn on CEC or HDMI control in your TV settings too. With this if I turn the TV off with the TV remote, the receiver turn off too and I can turn up/down the volume on both of the remote controls. I don't have cable box, but it should work too (turn on/off). Checn the settings for CEC/HDMI control.
Can any of the existing Aventage receivers be updated to process Dolby Atmos Height Virtualization and DTS VIRTUAL X ?
It appears they can be updated to hdcp 2.3 specifications.
Is there an ETA for new receivers that meet hdmi 2.1 specifications?
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Can any of the existing Aventage receivers be updated to process Dolby Atmos Height Virtualization and DTS VIRTUAL X ?
It appears they can be updated to hdcp 2.3 specifications.
Is there an ETA for new receivers that meet hdmi 2.1 specifications?
I think no, but not sure.
RX-A series are HDCP 2.3.
Somewhere in 2020.

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Hi Justin Mullinix, while playing analog music source press Option button and scroll to Video Out.
For some reason I do not have that option. Here is what I see under options:
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For some reason I do not have that option. Here is what I see under options:
That's odd, your screen is missing the Audio option



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That's odd, your screen is missing the Audio option



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Yeah, I was under the impression that I would need to select the video out when my music source was selected.

When I am on the video source I have the option for audio out, but it doesn't give me the option to select a specific audio source, just "auto", "HDMI" "COAX/OPT", "Analog". Nothing changes when I switch to these while my PS4 input is selected.
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Yeah, I was under the impression that I would need to select the video out when my music source was selected.

When I am on the video source I have the option for audio out, but it doesn't give me the option to select a specific audio source, just "auto", "HDMI" "COAX/OPT", "Analog". Nothing changes when I switch to these while my PS4 input is selected.
I'm pretty sure you need a 2 channel audio source plugged into one of the available Analog inputs. (CD player, MP3 device etc.)

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I'm pretty sure you need a 2 channel audio source plugged into one of the available Analog inputs. (CD player, MP3 device etc.)
I do. I have my turntable in input 1 and my bluetooth receiver in input 2.
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I really cannot find a solution to this.

I go into options and select "analog" as my audio source and nothing happens...certainly there should be an option to select which analog source it plays from. Currently is seems as though electing "analog" does absolutely nothing.
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I'm quite awhile away from installing my 3080 as I'm still doing renovation in my home cinema, but I thought I'd put this question out for the brains trust. My cinema will be about 22 feet by 22 feet and a 7.4.4 system with false wall and equipment on right side of screen. 170in. diagonal, 2:40:1 scopescreen non AT. My question is: does the length of the speaker wires have any effect on sound? In other words, if the length to the rear surrounds is 40 feet and the length for the centre is 10 feet, will that difference effect the sound? Should they all be the same length or makes no difference? I know delay can be adjusted by the amp for sound calibration, but I'm talking about a more fundamental effect. I assume it would make no difference, but just wondered what you all thought.
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I'm talking about a more fundamental effect. I assume it would make no difference, but just wondered what you all thought.
Speakers in pair should be same cable length, so Front L/R 6-6 or Surround L/R 20-20. With the length you will lose output power, but 40 feet not as long. Below there is a board, but it's in Hungarian.

Cable Length - Power relation on 100W output power > Left side the length in Meter (1 meter 3.3 feet); Top row 4 Ohm or 8 Ohm speakers (I think you use 8 Ohm speakers); and below the Cable diameter in millimeter (I use 2.5mm for bed & 1.5mm for Atmos - the center is 5 feet while the surround/Atmos 25 feet).

On different cable diameter, the sound can be different.... and the sound is depends on the cable. I use Van Damme Hi-Fi cables:
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Speakers in pair should be same cable length, so Front L/R 6-6 or Surround L/R 20-20. With the length you will lose output power, but 40 feet not as long. Below there is a board, but it's in Hungarian.

Cable Length - Power relation on 100W output power > Left side the length in Meter (1 meter 3.3 feet); Top row 4 Ohm or 8 Ohm speakers (I think you use 8 Ohm speakers); and below the Cable diameter in millimeter (I use 2.5mm for bed & 1.5mm for Atmos - the center is 5 feet while the surround/Atmos 25 feet).

On different cable diameter, the sound can be different.... and the sound is depends on the cable. I use Van Damme Hi-Fi cables:
No wonder you get such powerful sound. Van Damme is a badass.
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Received my 3080 yesterday and got it wired up and configured. Then ran YPAO. Seems odd that there is a relative volume difference from the 2050 to the 3080. I know I have seen reference to many who have upgraded from older Yammies... to the x050 or greater that said they needed to turn it up higher to get the same output. I would have thought that the 2050 and 3080 would have been more similar. I use to set my volume on the 2050 to -26db when I watched DirecTV with the 3080 it seems to need -24 or so. I know not a big deal but just makes you scratch your head. I redid YPAO twice and the setting came out the same. Is there something I am missing or is this normal and just move on?

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So I'm gonna have made a table for my central speaker and my receiver, it's gonna be 25.6inches tall, 19 inches deep. The receiver is gonna be one level down the central speaker and i have 2 options, one being 12 inches tall which is 4.5inches taller than my 3080 but I don't know if there's enough room for cold air, option two being 14inches tall which gives 6.5 inches but receiver would be too low for my taste.

I've read this receiver cooling is good, being a lot better from a denon 4500 which I was gonna buy when I first started looking for a good AVR.

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So I'm gonna have made a table for my central speaker and my receiver, it's gonna be 25.6inches tall, 19 inches deep. The receiver is gonna be one level down the central speaker and i have 2 options, one being 12 inches tall which is 4.5inches taller than my 3080 but I don't know if there's enough room for cold air, option two being 14inches tall which gives 6.5 inches but receiver would be too low for my taste.

I've read this receiver cooling is good, being a lot better from a denon 4500 which I was gonna buy when I first started looking for a good AVR.

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I give you 2 pictures of my TV/Center/Receiver stand, which is almost the same size. Height 24 inches and 18 deep, 36,5 wide. The room for the center is 7.5 inches and the lower is 10,2. There are 3 inches above the receiver and 3 from the floor. Even it's just 3 inces above the AVR, sometimes it still seems "weird" (too much) for me, but for the total height - because the TV - I had no choice.
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Hi,

I've been reading the complete thread, it's been very useful so let me share my own experience with the Yamaha 3080. I've bought for my new house a 3080 with a NuPrime STA-9 for the Front, 2 MusicCast 20 for the Surround to build a 5.1.2 system. The center and the front are ELAC speakers (203 and 209 JET) and the Atmos are Klipsch RP140SA. Sub is an Audience CGA30. At the beginning, I was a bit afraid of the association of my ELAC speaker with the Yamaha but it really sounds great to my point of view.

I've started installing progressively the new receiver this way:

- Connecting the center, front left & right and sub directly to the 3080. The ELAC are 4 ohms speakers so I was a bit worried as the documentation indicates you can only connect 4 ohms speakers for the left & right after switching to 6 ohms into the advanced setup. But it did work well without issue.
- Then I've connected the Atmos speakers (8 ohms)
- Then I've connected the NuPrime STA-9 using XLR cables
- Then I've connected the wireless surround speakers using the MusicCast app

I haven't manged to connect the wireless surround immediately, I had a strange unclear error while I was trying to do so. Before trying to associate the speakers to the 3080, I had tested them separately in stereo. I was then wondering if this could have generated an issue. I have then reset them and rediscover them in the MusicCast app and been able to immediately transform them as surround speakers for the 3080. It was weird but it worked.

My second issue was with ARC. I've got an LG 77G7 supposed to be able to send Atmos via ARC (already tested successfully with a Samsung N950 soundbar). I first tried everything I've found in the documentation and the forums but the ARC association didn't work at first. The way I've managed to make it work: unplug the TV from the wall to be sure it's really off, wait a couple of seconds and replug it. Same for the receiver. The TV finally managed to send the sound out to the receiver and I even had Atmos being decoded by the Yam from the Netflix Smart TV app. However, I wasn't able to control the volume from the TV remote control. After spending time searching what could cause this issue, I've found it. I have a DVDO iScan Mini 4K scaler behind the TV receiver that was putting some mess in the HDMI chain with ARC. It looks like that ARC is very sensitive to any perturbation on the HDMI chain, it's not the first time I'm having those kind of issues. After removing the iScan, everything worked as expected: ARC with Atmos and remote control of the TV controlling the volume of the Yamaha. HDR10 and Dolby Vision were working perfectly too going through the receiver from the Apple TV and the Xbox One X.

I've then decided to start using the YPAO feature with the mic. First surprise: I wasn't able to use the multi measures feature nor the angle measures. After talking with someone from Yamaha, this is due to the connection set with the rear Yamaha MusicCast 20 wireless speakers. So don't be surprised if those 2 options are "unavailable" when you try to use them with the same setup. What I did: I've disconnected the MC20 and run the YPAO multi measures & angles setup with only the front speakers, then I connected the rear speakers and set the values manually for the distances.

During the first set of measures, the receiver switched off automatically. I first suspected a bug in the YPAO software, so I've switched it back on and restarted the setup which works well this time. But it was the first autoprotection issue of a long series... Please note: the receiver perfectly worked only 1 day. This 1st issue arrived on the 2nd day of usage.

After that, in a random timing, the receiver started to automatically switched off as if an autoprotection feature was turned on. Sometimes the receiver could be restarted immediately, sometime trying to switch it back on was impossible, it was immediately going back to autoprotection. Still, the video pass-through was still working and I was still able to go to the advanced menu.

I've started so many things to try to fix it: disconnect every cables on the rear of the receiver (I've got the 7 HDMI inputs used...), and sometimes even with ALL the cables removed, the receiver didn't want to start. Yamaha first advised me to do a software reset which temporally fixed the issue but quickly the receiver started again to automatically switched off in a random way... until I can't even more manage to start it at all. Video pass-through is still working as well as the advanced setup but nothing else.

Conclusion: my reseller has ordered a brand new Yamaha 3080 to switch with this failing unit. I'm going to do the switch today. But I'm a bit worried by this story as it's not the first time I'm having this kind of reliability issue with a brand new Yamaha product. Hopefully, last time the same story happened to me, with a Yamaha YST-2700 soundbar, it was also at the very beginning, the reseller gave me another one in exchange and the unit is working perfectly fine for years now. Let's hope this will be the same for the 3080.

I've seen in this thread that a couple of guys had similar autoprotection issues. I do hope this is very rare.

Except that, the sound quality was really great when both the Yamaha 3080 and STA-9 and I was surprised that the MusicCast 20 were really great for surround speakers. Alone the Yamaha 3080 was already great to my point of view, I didn't manage to spend enough time with it to really notice the difference between with and without the NuPrime. But the NuPrime doesn't care about 4 or 8 ohms which doesn't seem to be the case for the Yamaha.

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I give you 2 pictures of my TV/Center/Receiver stand, which is almost the same size. Height 24 inches and 18 deep, 36,5 wide. The room for the center is 7.5 inches and the lower is 10,2. There are 3 inches above the receiver and 3 from the floor. Even it's just 3 inces above the AVR, sometimes it still seems "weird" (too much) for me, but for the total height - because the TV - I had no choice.
Thats a pretty big center
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Can I expect better performance if I get 1080 over my current 1050.
I am using a 5.1.4 config. should I expect better sound by upgrading to the 1080.
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Can I expect better performance if I get 1080 over my current 1050.

I am using a 5.1.4 config. should I expect better sound by upgrading to the 1080.
Both the 1050 and the 1080 can only power 7 channels at a time (although they have terminals to wire up 9 channels). You would be better looking at the 2080 if you wanted to run 5.1.4.
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Only the 3080 can expand to 11 channels (with an external amp) to play both Back Surrounds and Rear Presence speakers at the same time.

Page 28 in user manual:


Page 31


If you don't have the manual, I suggest you download it from the link in the first post

So are we limited to only these External Amp options or is there an “Expert Menu” hidden somewhere? I am using the pre-out from my 3080 for both the Surrounds and the Rear Surrounds and would like to set for 7.1.4
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3080 5.1.4 with second zone

For those who have been wondering... (early in the thread I saw a question about this besides mine)...


The 3080 can be setup to do 5.1.4 (or 5.2.4 obviously) and have an external amp for a second zone. I have 5.1.4 in my main listening area and have connected my external amp to the zone 3 pre-outs. Works perfectly (as it did with the 2050). Seems odd that this does not appear to be documented in the manual.
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Hello all! I am completely new to both this forum as well as any understanding of home theatre setups. Hope my question does not come off as dumb (oops).

I recently purchased a Yamaha RX-V2085 and set it up to my surround sound system, and everything worked! Netflix, Cable TV, and Spotify sounded great from the front, sides, and rear speakers and also my single subwoofer. Now, the other day a firmware update released and I figured why wouldn't I upgrade and proceeded with the update. Lo and behold, only the front speakers work now! I cannot for the life of me figure this out as I went through all the settings, initialized the receiver, and even re-wired the cables..

Note* during the sound test, all speakers fired just fine.

Any help would be appreciated!
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Hello all! I am completely new to both this forum as well as any understanding of home theatre setups. Hope my question does not come off as dumb (oops).

I recently purchased a Yamaha RX-V2085 and set it up to my surround sound system, and everything worked! Netflix, Cable TV, and Spotify sounded great from the front, sides, and rear speakers and also my single subwoofer. Now, the other day a firmware update released and I figured why wouldn't I upgrade and proceeded with the update. Lo and behold, only the front speakers work now! I cannot for the life of me figure this out as I went through all the settings, initialized the receiver, and even re-wired the cables..

Note* during the sound test, all speakers fired just fine.

Any help would be appreciated!
You're posting in the wrong thread, This is the RX-A3080/2080/1080 section

Try here: https://www.avsforum.com/forum/90-re...rs-thread.html

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Does anyone else find the 3080 slow to handshake?

For example I have a FireStick 4K plugged in and connected onward to a Panasonic UHD TV. When I have match frame rate set on the stick for Prime Video, I get black and pink sparkly screens when I stop a show. Can last 20 seconds before I reach the menu again. Similar happens on other sources as well. I’ve messed around with cables and they are all certified.

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Does anyone else find the 3080 slow to handshake?

For example I have a FireStick 4K plugged in and connected onward to a Panasonic UHD TV. When I have match frame rate set on the stick for Prime Video, I get black and pink sparkly screens when I stop a show. Can last 20 seconds before I reach the menu again. Similar happens on other sources as well. I’ve messed around with cables and they are all certified.

Yes, my 3080 does take longer than my old 2050 did. Maybe not 20 seconds but I do get the No signal popup between source shifts. I also get it when I start a Netflix or Amazon show on the Apple TV.

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Does anyone else find the 3080 slow to handshake?

For example I have a FireStick 4K plugged in and connected onward to a Panasonic UHD TV. When I have match frame rate set on the stick for Prime Video, I get black and pink sparkly screens when I stop a show. Can last 20 seconds before I reach the menu again. Similar happens on other sources as well. I’ve messed around with cables and they are all certified.
On 2080 when start a movie - with framerate change -I get the "No siganal" warning with the background photo, but it's no longer than 5 seconds.

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OK guys thanks and I’m glad it’s just not me. I love the sound and will just have to live with this quirk.

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I've recently purchased the 1080 receiver and running a 7.1 setup. I'm using the HDMI (ARC) from the TV to the Receiver, but my problem is when trying to also output my audio to my Sonos CONNECT:AMP. I'm using the receivers RCA Pre Outs (Fronts) to the Sonos and getting no signal (I was reading that since the signal to the amp is being sent digital that the RCA won't have any output?).


What I'm trying to do is use the Sonos to power my extra ceiling speakers and my 7.1 at the same time when I want to listen to audio throughout my house (for parties).
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I've recently purchased the 1080 receiver and running a 7.1 setup. I'm using the HDMI (ARC) from the TV to the Receiver, but my problem is when trying to also output my audio to my Sonos CONNECT:AMP. I'm using the receivers RCA Pre Outs (Fronts) to the Sonos and getting no signal (I was reading that since the signal to the amp is being sent digital that the RCA won't have any output?).


What I'm trying to do is use the Sonos to power my extra ceiling speakers and my 7.1 at the same time when I want to listen to audio throughout my house (for parties).
I can't imagine why you would think to use your Front Channel Pre-Outs,
... Don't you already have Front speakers using that channel?

The RX-A1080 is only capable of 7 channel processing
So your choices are 7.1 or 5.1.2 (with two presence speakers)

Adding an extra pair of speakers with their own amp does not expand your AVR's capability to 9 channels (7.1.2)
You need at least an RX-A2080 for that, the only option for you is to connect your Sonos amp to the Zone 2 Pre-outs.

There's probably a Party Mode in the settings to enable both zones at the same time,
but in your case I would only use it for music, it would botch any movie audio surround sound tracks.

Time to break down and RTFM

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