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Should I get the 3070 for about 1100 or the 3080 for roughly double the price?
I currently have the 1050b and was wondering if I should upgrade since my other receiver sc1223 is starting to show signs of trouble.
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I was faced with the same situation a few months ago (coming from an RX-A3050) and went with the RX-A3070.
My prime motivator was not the price though, it was the extra HDMI port (behind front panel) and 4 extra Scene memory slots.

...The money saved buys a LOT of 4K/UHD Movies
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I'm receiving my Yamaha tomorrow and getting ahead of the game by changing my current Harmony Elite setup. My Sony z9d's smart tv output will be via ARC to the Yamaha (HDMI Out 1/ARC). Unfortunately, the Harmony setup does not provide for an ARC input when selecting the "smart tv" activity when using the Yamaha. However it does have an "I do not set an input" selection and the owner's manual indicates the Yamaha should automatically switch to the ARC input when receiving audio from the TV. But the owner's manual also seems to indicate audio 1 becomes the setting for ARC when it is implemented.

Bottom line: When programming the Harmony for receiving Sony output via ARC; should I use "Audio 1" or should I use "I do not set an input"?

I'm getting the cxa5200; but it seems that the features are basically the same as the other Aventage products and therefore Harmony setup for ARC would be the same.

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Should I get the 3070 for about [$price] or the 3080 for roughly double the price?
I currently have the 1050b and was wondering if I should upgrade since my other receiver sc1223 is starting to show signs of trouble.
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I was faced with the same situation a few months ago (coming from an RX-A3050) and went with the RX-A3070.
My prime motivator was not the price though, it was the extra HDMI port (behind front panel) and 4 extra Scene memory slots.

...The money saved buys a LOT of 4K/UHD Movies
Piomaniac provides some good analysis comparing 2017 and 2018 models in post 1 of this thread, including calling out new features. I'd look through it. Front and center for me is that the 2017 and earlier models had that "Code Set" programming of the remote, while it appears the 2018 models drop this(?). If that's correct,... You're also missing discrete TV controls on the remote, which I use ... I actually don't have batteries in my Samsung TV remote, between the dedicated TV buttons at the bottom, and teh Top Menu, Display, Return buttons, on my older remote, I almost never the Samsung remote.

We're not supposed to discuss street prices in these threads , but at "half the price," a 3070 seems like a steal.

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I was faced with the same situation a few months ago (coming from an RX-A3050) and went with the RX-A3070.
My prime motivator was not the price though, it was the extra HDMI port (behind front panel) and 4 extra Scene memory slots.

...The money saved buys a LOT of 4K/UHD Movies [IMG class=inlineimg]/forum/images/smilies/smile.gif[/IMG]
my current receiver have the front hdmi port and I bought it at retail (lower end model in the aventage line).
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Should I get the 3070 for about 1100 or the 3080 for roughly double the price?
I currently have the 1050b and was wondering if I should upgrade since my other receiver sc1223 is starting to show signs of trouble.
For that savings I vote the 3070......
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so can i add musicast 20's as front heights or surround heights to these avr's or?? current set-up is 5.1

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Hello. I upgraded to a 1080 from an rx-v 1300 and right off the bat I've a question with 2-channel sound. The setup is a 5.1 with the fronts set as Large. When playing 2-channel stereo, I was getting nothing from the subwoofer/LFE, I found that in order to get stereo AND LFE, I had to change the fronts to "Small". So, to watch BD/DVD I go to pattern 1, where the fronts are set to Large and when listening to 2-channel stereo I go to pattern 2, where the fronts are set to Small. Is there a less convoluted way to accomplish this without having to switch to 2 different speaker setups? (like the 1300) where I could have the speakers set to Large AND have Subwoofer when listening to 2-channel sources...???
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Hello. I upgraded to a 1080 from an rx-v 1300 and right off the bat I've a question with 2-channel sound. The setup is a 5.1 with the fronts set as Large. When playing 2-channel stereo, I was getting nothing from the subwoofer/LFE, I found that in order to get stereo AND LFE, I had to change the fronts to "Small". So, to watch BD/DVD I go to pattern 1, where the fronts are set to Large and when listening to 2-channel stereo I go to pattern 2, where the fronts are set to Small. Is there a less convoluted way to accomplish this without having to switch to 2 different speaker setups? (like the 1300) where I could have the speakers set to Large AND have Subwoofer when listening to 2-channel sources...???
Use two different scenes that allow you to specify a different speaker pattern, simple.

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Tried that, pattern doesn't seem to stick to scene.(?)
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Tried that, pattern doesn't seem to stick to scene.(?)

I'm not 100% sure how it works on the new 80 series, the GUI is slightly different so you really should read the manual

On my old RX-A3050 and new RX-A3070 you had to go to the Load: Detail
to specify what features you wanted saved into your scene memory slot for each scene you create.

I used all 12 scenes in my old 3050, Speaker Pattern 1 was setup for ATMOS (as Overhead)
Speaker Pattern 2 was setup for DTS:X with presence speakers configured as Front/Rear Heights







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Brilliant. Bloody Brilliant. Thanks so much.
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Question 5th leg

Finally the 2080 receiver has arrived today. It looks great and huge! Really. Unfortunately I can't put in operation until Monday. But I find a - maybe - strange thing. As You know it has 5 legs, not just 4. The 5th leg - in the centre - around 2 millimeters far from the floor, so it does not touch the floor. Is this normal?
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Finally the 2080 receiver has arrived today. It looks great and huge! Really. Unfortunately I can't put in operation until Monday. But I find a - maybe - strange thing. As You know it has 5 legs, not just 4. The 5th leg - in the centre - around 2 millimeters far from the floor, so it does not touch the floor. Is this normal?



I believe it's supposed to be touching as it's marketed as an anti-vibration feature. I just looked under my 3080 and mine is touching the surface the unit is on.


might be an easy fix... see if you can remove it and place a washer or something similar between it and the unit to close the gap.
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Finally the 2080 receiver has arrived today. It looks great and huge! Really. Unfortunately I can't put in operation until Monday. But I find a - maybe - strange thing. As You know it has 5 legs, not just 4. The 5th leg - in the centre - around 2 millimeters far from the floor, so it does not touch the floor. Is this normal?
My A2060 came with the middle foot sticking out too far. All I had to do was screw it in a bit. But let your AVR sit for a couple days to "settle in" and see if its the same.
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Hello. I upgraded to a 1080 from an rx-v 1300 and right off the bat I've a question with 2-channel sound. The setup is a 5.1 with the fronts set as Large. When playing 2-channel stereo, I was getting nothing from the subwoofer/LFE, I found that in order to get stereo AND LFE, I had to change the fronts to "Small". So, to watch BD/DVD I go to pattern 1, where the fronts are set to Large and when listening to 2-channel stereo I go to pattern 2, where the fronts are set to Small. Is there a less convoluted way to accomplish this without having to switch to 2 different speaker setups? (like the 1300) where I could have the speakers set to Large AND have Subwoofer when listening to 2-channel sources...???
You're misunderstanding what the LFE (or x.1 channel in multichannel content) is. The sub channel is a discrete, dedicated content in the ULF bass region (generally 120 Hz and below) that the sound designer dedicates to the separate "subwoofer channel" that has been present in Dolby cinema systems since Logan's Run, Star Wars, Apocalypse Now, and the heyday of "6-track Dolby Sound." Believe it or not there are a few home video discs that contain a film's original 4.0 theater soundtrack (e.g. Sex, Lies, and Videotape), that was missing a LFE channel.

2.0 or stereo content contains no dedicated LFE channel. Period. Full stop.

What you're doing by setting speakers to "small" is telling the AVR that those speakers have smaller woofers that aren't very good at producing LF and ULF bass. So Bass Management directs those low frequencies to your subwoofer, which is far more capable of producing those low freqs. Generally the default, Dolby-recommended cross over frequency (or low-pass frequency) is 80 Hz. For smaller speakers (e.g. bookshelf models with 4" woofers), you can raise this to 100 Hz, 110 Hz, 120 Hz. The higher you go IMHO the better the subwoofer should be.

When you play multichannel content back in this configuration, the .1 LFE channel is naturally sent to the subwoofer, and also the LF and ULF bass that bass management does. Considering this, you might remember Sheriff Brody's admonition, "We're gonna need a bigger boat (subwoofer)."

If you have smaller speakers, go ahead and leave bass management enabled. If you'd like to play the content straight with no such adjustment, use "Pure Direct."
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My A2060 came with the middle foot sticking out too far. All I had to do was screw it in a bit. But let your AVR sit for a couple days to "settle in" and see if its the same.
Thanks @McLuvin , @rdgrimes ! I put the receiver on the desk and go back only on Sunday, I will check again. I hope You're right and it needs only time, just because the box was upside down at delivery or the cold temperature (and not faulty, because fell off).

Is the 5th leg screwable?
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Thanks @McLuvin , @rdgrimes ! I put the receiver on the desk and go back only on Sunday, I will check again. I hope You're right and it needs only time, just because the box was upside down at delivery or the cold temperature (and not faulty, because fell off).

Is the 5th leg screwable?

It depends what you're into, I guess.

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I just purchased a Rx-A2080 and I love it. The question I have is. Is the AI better than the presets in the amp? I have some Atmos movies will the AI over ride the ATMOS sound and should i be using the persets instead for these movies. My system is a 5.1.2 i have to ceiling facing speakers that sit on my L/R. I know this isn't idea but the wife wont let me mount speakers in the ceiling

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Nearly everyone will tell you that if you have a sub your fronts should always be set to small. For music or movies, it makes no difference.
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My new yamaha CX-A5200 processor had a firmware update that enables the BT to transmit to headphone or surround speakers. I paired it to my bose QC30 wireless headphones and it worked great with zero lag.
I was just going to post that I discovered the BT transmission had been added with my last firmware update. (I'm guessing it was delayed until they finished up the MusicCast surround sound capability, but it's lame that the Yamaha rep couldn't find that information) I also noticed there is even an adjustment for the Bluetooth lag if needed.

I was able to pair my Bose headphones, but I haven't quite figured out how to select them for the audio output. Since this isn't in the manual, can you tell me how to get the sound to go to the BT headphones?

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Got a new delivery day before yesterday... right out of the gate however, my 50ft redmere from 2013 will no longer cut it. Can't pass a 4k signal.

New cable ordered and limping by until then.

Pics are a comparison from my old rx-a3000 to the new rx-a3080. The 3080 is deeper and taller.
Did the 50FT cable fix the issue?
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Got a new delivery day before yesterday... right out of the gate however, my 50ft redmere from 2013 will no longer cut it. Can't pass a 4k signal.

New cable ordered and limping by until then.

Pics are a comparison from my old rx-a3000 to the new rx-a3080. The 3080 is deeper and taller.
Did the 50FT cable fix the issue?
Yes it did. I was able to cut it down to 40 feet and am passing 4k @60 with no issues.
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Need a bit of advice.

I’m planning a 3.1 system for TV/movie viewing and for 2.1 for music listening.
A 5.1 or higher surround system is not a concern at this time, but down the road, you never know.

My question is, do higher-end Yamaha AVR’s have any problems running 4 ohm speakers to reasonably loud levels?

The system would consist of a pair of Martin Logan Motion 15’s for LR and either a Motion 50XT or another 15 for the center.
All the speakers are rated at 4 ohms but have sensitivity ratings of 92 or a bit above. I’ve read they sometimes dip below 4 ohms.

Would I encounter any problems driving this system with a 1080 or 2080 Yamaha, or last year’s model 3070?
I also plan to run a 500 watt SVS SB2000 sealed sub, maybe two.
This would go into a 19 x28’ great room/kitchen with a 13’ vaulted ceiling. Don’t think a sound bar would cut it sonically.

I have a newly-restored 1970’s vintage McIntosh 2105 power amp rated a 105 wpc lying around that I could plug into the system if need be.

I’ve been advised to pick up a 4400 Denon rather than a Yamaha, and quite frankly, I have no experience with either brand.
But all things being equal, I’d lean more towards the Yamaha, as it seems to be a higher quality piece.

So, is there a Yamaha in my future? I’m open to suggestions.

Thanks! Didn’t mean for the post to be so long.
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Spoiler!


Thanks! Didn’t mean for the post to be so long.
Most Yamahas have an option in Advanced setup to limit internal voltages (or more likely, current) if the main speakers are 6 ohm. This would probably give your system adequate protection for 4 ohm speakers, but I would still set the "Maximum Volume" setting to -10 dB to -15 dB.

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Need a bit of advice.

I’m planning a 3.1 system for TV/movie viewing and for 2.1 for music listening.
A 5.1 or higher surround system is not a concern at this time, but down the road, you never know.

My question is, do higher-end Yamaha AVR’s have any problems running 4 ohm speakers to reasonably loud levels?

The system would consist of a pair of Martin Logan Motion 15’s for LR and either a Motion 50XT or another 15 for the center.
All the speakers are rated at 4 ohms but have sensitivity ratings of 92 or a bit above. I’ve read they sometimes dip below 4 ohms.

Would I encounter any problems driving this system with a 1080 or 2080 Yamaha, or last year’s model 3070?
I also plan to run a 500 watt SVS SB2000 sealed sub, maybe two.
This would go into a 19 x28’ great room/kitchen with a 13’ vaulted ceiling. Don’t think a sound bar would cut it sonically.

I have a newly-restored 1970’s vintage McIntosh 2105 power amp rated a 105 wpc lying around that I could plug into the system if need be.

I’ve been advised to pick up a 4400 Denon rather than a Yamaha, and quite frankly, I have no experience with either brand.
But all things being equal, I’d lean more towards the Yamaha, as it seems to be a higher quality piece.

So, is there a Yamaha in my future? I’m open to suggestions.

Thanks! Didn’t mean for the post to be so long.
I demo'd a Denon X4400 and my Yamaha A2080 with KEF R3's which are 8 ohms speakers, 87 db sensitivity and drop to about 3.2 ohms at around 45 and 150 Hz.

I might have been a little biased to the Yamaha because when I first got my R3's I was used to the sound of my older barely above budget Yamaha RX-V473 that i already had running small Energy micro satellite speakers. For the AVR upgrade after doing a little research I tried the X4400.

To me the bass was a lot more rich, muddy if you will, than the Yamaha's. I really liked how tight and distinct the bass was with both the Yamaha's so that was what caught my attention first. Also, the Yamaha had better instrument, vocal, and definitely channel separation. So it seemed again, to my ears, that the Yamaha was more appealing because it seemed a little "brighter" and clear.

Now that's not to say the Denon is worse. There were some times I missed that heavier, muddier, richer bass, like in some movies. So I guess most of what I've said so far pertains more to what you might call critical music listening. I really like the Yamaha for both 2.0 and 2.2 channel music listening.

Also, being new to comparing AVR's, I may not have given myself enough time to try all the different digital settings that change the sound signature.

They say the Denon's Audyssey room correction is far superior to Yamaha's YPAO and is often a big reason alot of people choose Denon.

My recommendation is to demo both and make sure you understand all of the settings within the AVR to make sure you don't get a skewed impression. Different settings can make a huge difference. Crutchfield is awesome for this with a 60 day trial period with full refund.

And lastly, the A2080/3080 users manual states explicitly that you can use 4 ohms speakers for your front L/R. Just make sure you change the factory default 8 ohm setting to 6 ohms. So no worries about the equipment specs when running your 4 ohm speakers.

KEF R3 L/R | Dual Rythmik F12SE | 2.2 | Yamaha RX-A2080

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Question Zone 2 Questions

My venerable Sony STR-AV480 died after just 30 years of use(!). I am considering the Yamaha RX-A1080 as a replacement, to add surround sound. After studying the manual, I have some questions about how it handles Zone 2. My two sets of speakers are within earshot of each other.

1) If I play an HDMI source (e.g. Blu-Ray) or digital audio source (e.g. CD) in both the Main Zone and Zone 2, is there any lag between the two zones? Does it depend on whether "Main Zone Sync" is on or off?

I tried this with a Marantz SR5013, which supports only analog inputs to Zone 2. As might be expected, the digital processing delay in playing a device's surround audio in the Main Zone and the same device's analog audio in Zone 2 created a horrendous echo effect. I could not find any adjustment to correct it. "All Zone Stereo" worked with no lag, but of course suppressed surround sound.

2) Does muting the Main Zone also mute Zone 2? Does it depend on the settings of "Main Zone Sync" and/or "Party Mode"?

3) Can Zone 2 be used when the Main Zone is powered off?

-- Thanks for any advice.
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When using the surround ai is it better than the auto setting.? So example an atmos movie. Will it be better with the ai or better without? Because I've listen to both and it's hard to tell which is better. So I guess it will still decode atmos dtsx etc with ai in place.
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Hi everyone ,

I have a teeny tiny quastion here ,

I have klipsch 160m for fron and 150m for suuround in a 5.1 setup, I got the yamaha V685 which is a good av reciever with a decent power but I can't help it but to keep thinking if the 1080 for expample would make a different in sound quality ?

Appreciate any input
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I have a question about scenes; am wondering if anyone that reads this thread is well versed on this option.


On page 153 of the 3080 manual, it states that you cannot assign both a coaxial and an optical jack to the same input source. ( I completely understand that)

Is it possible that I could use the "scene" function as a workaround so that on scene 1 for AV1 (for example) it grabs Toslink 1, and on scene 2 it grabs Coaxial 1. (or some other coax/toslink input for that matter)

Or is the I/O assign function global and unaffected by changing scenes?



TIA

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