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IMO, No.. There's been a number of measurements done over on the AudioScienceReview site that showed neither the 8805 or a 7701 were delivering SOTA numbers, near identical in fact. (1) I would be willing to bet money that in a bias controlled, level matched DBT you couldn't tell one from the other.
I think jdsmoothie hit's the nail on the head with,

(2) "if you don't ever expect to go beyond 11CH processing and also won't need HDMI 2.1 for at least a few more years, get the AV7705 and enjoy."

(1) While it may seem virtuous and insightful to refer to double blind tests; valid, peer reviewed DBT's are almost never performed. Calling for a DBT or referring to a DBT that doesn't and won't exist, is often a way to cutoff discussion, and frankly serves no purpose. Those who call for double blind tests either need to perform the test and submit the results for review, or fund the performance of the test by someone else.

- Just a few requirements for broadly applicable DBT's:

o Hearing tests for participants

o Training for participants

o Agreement on equipment used - it has to be excellent

o Agreement on room treatments

o Agreement on content used

o .1dB level matching

o One test subject at a time, no time limit, subject controls what ever switching between sources is required

o And on, and on, on.

Valid DBT's are hard to do, and can be expensive and time consuming, but very easy to mention in a post.

(2) Frankly, JD is pretty-much always correct; frustrating actually.
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I am having problems with my remote not working - it has to do with the angle of my couch relative to my 7705. Apparently the remote doesn’t work well unless you are at close to a 90 degree angle. I am more like at a 40-50 degree angle. Is there some solution I could use to get better remote coverage?

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In the not so distant future, we should have a MN GTG to pull out my QSC test rig and video the event and post it online for AVS members to read. It's one thing to read about it. It's another to see and experience it real time. As another valuable experience, if people want to take a pilgrimage to the Northridge facility, I am positive I could coordinate a group to come out and test speakers. It's a fun and an eye opening experience. I could type all the words I want. But it's the real life experiences that solidifies your opinions. Now back to the 7705.
Count me in for a GTG or audio pilgrimage!! My 'mostly retired' status gives me a lot of flexibility..
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there is a new firmware update for the AV 7705 any insights? [beyond the generic "better stability...etc] I disabled automatic update so a massage had been popped up today..

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there is a new firmware update for the AV 7705 any insights? [beyond the generic "better stability...etc] I disabled automatic update so a massage had been popped up today..
HEOS bug fixes. I got the alert on my phone first when the HEOS app was being updated and then all of the HEOS speakers and AVR were shown as being updated as well.
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(1) While it may seem virtuous and insightful to refer to double blind tests; valid, peer reviewed DBT's are almost never performed. Calling for a DBT or referring to a DBT that doesn't and won't exist, is often a way to cutoff discussion, and frankly serves no purpose.
actually asking other people one never met to be their ear and brain in a room they never been, along with speakers they might never auditioned before, and on and on... just what purpose that would serve? maybe to witness the endless possibilities of the human imagination?

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HEOS bug fixes. I got the alert on my phone first when the HEOS app was being updated and then all of the HEOS speakers and AVR were shown as being updated as well.
oh goodie, maybe that restores the issues I had with Heos I reported a few pages back? we shall see...

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I am having problems with my remote not working - it has to do with the angle of my couch relative to my 7705. Apparently the remote doesn’t work well unless you are at close to a 90 degree angle. I am more like at a 40-50 degree angle. Is there some solution I could use to get better remote coverage?

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As noted on p. 9 of the Owner's manual, the operating range should be at least +/- 30 degrees off center although with Denon AVRs I've generally been able to go as far as 70-80 degrees as well as pointing it to the back wall.

Try replacing the remote batteries with fresh batteries. Otherwise, perhaps consider using an IR repeater (see below example). You could also consider using the 2016 Marantz Remote app (iOS/Android) as well.

https://www.amazon.com/BAFX-Products...rum-convert-20
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HEOS bug fixes. I got the alert on my phone first when the HEOS app was being updated and then all of the HEOS speakers and AVR were shown as being updated as well.
I will say, the HEOS app has come a looooooooooooong way from the early days. Early on, it was pathetic. The remaining frustration is that some customers want Amazon music service or Apple Music. That's a show stopper for some. Barring that, the HEOS platform it what I love most about Denon and Marantz. Well other than the product works without the annoying bugs that most boutique brands have. Those brands have about 1/90th (that's not a typo) of engineering resources. i.e. normally 3 engineers for the boutique brands versus 275 engineers for Marantz and Denon.

For those who have the 7705 and haven't bother trying it. Give it a try. If you have Spotify, you jump outside of the HEOS app and still have full feature control (and why I ditched Tidal for Spotify).
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This update didn't fix my problem at all regarding Heos, still no sound via that input, all other functions works as it should in the app or OS. Did the soft reset, the network reset, and processor reset, no change. The only thing left is the full factory reset to the original FW, but probably won't bother with that. Pity.

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I will say, the HEOS app has come a looooooooooooong way from the early days. Early on, it was pathetic. The remaining frustration is that some customers want Amazon music service or Apple Music. That's a show stopper for some. Barring that, the HEOS platform it what I love most about Denon and Marantz. Well other than the product works without the annoying bugs that most boutique brands have. Those brands have about 1/90th (that's not a typo) of engineering resources. i.e. normally 3 engineers for the boutique brands versus 275 engineers for Marantz and Denon.

For those who have the 7705 and haven't bother trying it. Give it a try. If you have Spotify, you jump outside of the HEOS app and still have full feature control (and why I ditched Tidal for Spotify).
Sounds cool -- I'm looking forward to trying out the HEOS on mine.

By the way, I've had my new AV7705 for about two weeks, and up to now I've just been checking all the basics -- ie all the sound modes and speaker & bass management settings etc.

For the past 10 years I'd been using an Onkyo PR-SC886 processor, and even though that had a toroidal transformer (and this Marantz doesn't) the sound of the new Marantz is definitely an upgrade.

First impressions: More low/mid 'body'; and cleaner treble with less 'glare' than the Onkyo. The fronts, surrounds & center together present a more seamless soundstage, and the large sub seems much better integrated too -- apart from the "Multi-Ch Stereo" mode which seems to perform bass-management only for the front L/R channels - see my posts above. Fortunately, with the other surround modes (Dolby Surround etc.) the redirected bass is correctly taken from all the channels to the sub and seems to be perfectly 'in balance' with the hi-passed fronts, center & surrounds.

Also, unlike with the Onkyo, now I can actually get enough low-bass energy coming from my Tannoy floorstanders when I set to 'Large' -- so I don't even need my subwoofer in the mix anymore when playing music.

In terms of the material/content that I'm putting through my system, I'm mainly listening to music via my 'Dune HD' network media player. I have a pretty large FLAC collection residing on Ethernet-connected network hard-drives, which are streamed via the Dune into the AV7705 as LPCM over HDMI, including lossless 2ch & 5.1ch 24bit/96KHz, and even some music in 5.1ch 192KHz resolution. So far I'm quite impressed.

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(1) While it may seem virtuous and insightful to refer to double blind tests; valid, peer reviewed DBT's are almost never performed. Calling for a DBT or referring to a DBT that doesn't and won't exist, is often a way to cutoff discussion, and frankly serves no purpose. Those who call for double blind tests either need to perform the test and submit the results for review, or fund the performance of the test by someone else.

Yes DBT are difficult to do in an accurate manner, though not next to impossible as you imply.
OTOH, The human brain and it's perceptions are the easiest thing in the world to fool, so sighted proclamations "frankly serve no purpose" if your interested in a accurate conclusion.
No one is ever even close to "always correct" with a uncontrolled sighted method, unless the differences are very large.

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This forum / thread is dead. Why is that?
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This forum / thread is dead. Why is that?

It's interesting that this question arises occasionally on a Marantz AV770X thread. My usual answer applied to the AV7705 is typically:

The AV7705 doesn't cost enough. The similar Marantz AV8805 costs twice a much and gets the glory. To many people a higher price in itself is better; an upfront confirmation of a good decision.

An AV7705 is likely (IMNVHO) to be purchased by someone who wants to just use it, not talk about it.

The AV770X series isn't announced far ahead of when it begins shipping. This eliminates the period of anticipation. There are products discussed on this forum that were pre-announced a year or more before they first shipped. Some of these products are still at version .9 since all promised features have not been delivered. This situation generates a lot of posts.

Promised enhancements such the firmware upgrade to eARC are delivered as promised, not delayed for years. This timely delivery on promises means that dozens of potential speculation and complaint posts are missing.

The AV770X series has a history of trouble free operation so posts describing problems are few.

Marantz makes technical improvements in the AV7705 every year, but chooses not to market based based on those improvements. Better resistors, larger capacitors, a better transistor in the trigger circuit, a new volume control, and other technical improvements have made the performance of the AV770X series better overtime, but aren't naturals for marketing campaigns. It is to Marantz's credit that these steady stream of improvements occur.
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It's interesting that this question arises occasionally on a Marantz AV770X thread. My usual answer applied to the AV7705 is typically:

The AV7705 doesn't cost enough. The similar Marantz AV8805 costs twice a much and gets the glory. To many people a higher price in itself is better; an upfront confirmation of a good decision.

An AV7705 is likely (IMNVHO) to be purchased by someone who wants to just use it, not talk about it.

The AV770X series isn't announced far ahead of when it begins shipping. This eliminates the period of anticipation. There are products discussed on this forum that were pre-announced a year or more before they first shipped. Some of these products are still at version .9 since all promised features have not been delivered. This situation generates a lot of posts.

Promised enhancements such the firmware upgrade to eARC are delivered as promised, not delayed for years. This timely delivery on promises means that dozens of potential speculation and complaint posts are missing.

The AV770X series has a history of trouble free operation so posts describing problems are few.

Marantz makes technical improvements in the AV7705 every year, but chooses not to market based based on those improvements. Better resistors, larger capacitors, a better transistor in the trigger circuit, a new volume control, and other technical improvements have made the performance of the AV770X series better overtime, but aren't naturals for marketing campaigns. It is to Marantz's credit that these steady stream of improvements occur.
It's the law of diminishing returns regarding sound quality, coupled with the obsolescence that happens every few years. I have a perfectly good Rotel RSP1066 processor sitting a closet -- which I retired a decade ago due to lack of HDMI.
And in another closet right now is an Onkyo PR-SC886 (with one dead channel), which would otherwise also become obsolete, once I replace my obsolete Samsung HD TV with a 4K one.
This Marantz processor I hope will last me at least five years, hopefully more.
I don't see any point in spending more than about 2,000euros for such a unit, when double the price will only improve SQ slightly, if at all..
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And in another closet right now is an Onkyo PR-SC886 (with one dead channel), which would otherwise also become obsolete, once I replace my obsolete Samsung HD TV with a 4K one.
This Marantz processor I hope will last me at least five years, hopefully more.
I recently replaced my 2-decade old Pioneer Elite VSX-72TXV with the AV7705 and an external amp...and couldn't be happier. The Pioneer headphone jack was "quirky" (maybe that's why it was a floor model ~20-years ago), and I was glad to get rid of it for that alone...though it did grand duty in my 5.1 system.

BTW, the change *was* driven by the move to 4k, exactly as you state!

I, too, hope the AV7705 "lasts" for a few years.

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BTW, the change *was* driven by the move to 4k, exactly as you state!

I, too, hope the AV7705 "lasts" for a few years.
Had a AV7701 and loved it, hoped it would last forever.
After only a couple years, upgraded my display to 4K HDR, so I had to also upgrade to a AV7705. Love it, hope it will last forever.
But I just installed 6 Atmos speakers, for 7.2.6... so now I gotta upgrade again, maybe this time to a AV8805?
Ouch. Didn't even get a year out of my 7705.
I'm sure this next one will last forever.
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I recently replaced my 2-decade old Pioneer Elite VSX-72TXV with the AV7705 and an external amp...and couldn't be happier. The Pioneer headphone jack was "quirky" (maybe that's why it was a floor model ~20-years ago), and I was glad to get rid of it for that alone...though it did grand duty in my 5.1 system.

BTW, the change *was* driven by the move to 4k, exactly as you state!

I, too, hope the AV7705 "lasts" for a few years.

Cheers, and good luck!
Thanks!
I was also looking for a reason to justify replacing my old Onkyo -- and a crackling front-left channel did that for me :-)

Now been spending many hours this week "re-discovering" my CDs, DVD-As, concert Blurays and hirez FLAC collections.

They sound 'fuller', warmer, and more enveloping than they ever did with the Onkyo.

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I'm sure this next one will last forever.
May I use that line? "But, honey..."

7.1.6 = nice!

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May I use that line? "But, honey..."
Haven't you already beaten that horse to a bloody pulp already? I know I did at least 25 years ago.

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I will say, the HEOS app has come a looooooooooooong way from the early days. Early on, it was pathetic. The remaining frustration is that some customers want Amazon music service or Apple Music. That's a show stopper for some. Barring that, the HEOS platform it what I love most about Denon and Marantz. Well other than the product works without the annoying bugs that most boutique brands have. Those brands have about 1/90th (that's not a typo) of engineering resources. i.e. normally 3 engineers for the boutique brands versus 275 engineers for Marantz and Denon.

For those who have the 7705 and haven't bother trying it. Give it a try. If you have Spotify, you jump outside of the HEOS app and still have full feature control (and why I ditched Tidal for Spotify).
Hi Steve,
I've just installed HEOS in my phone and it detects the AV7705.

Now what I want it to do is this:

I want HEOS to losslessly push/stream whatever is playing through the Marantz wirelessly over to my networked Windows PC in my home studio.
My PC audio architecture is thus: ASIO 24bit Windows sound driver => Presonus 24bit 44VSL interface/pre-amp => KRK Rokit 6 active studio monitors (stereo pair).

My wished for scenario:
Say, when the Marantz is playing a flac (from the Dune media player over HDMI) in the main living room, and then I walk to the other side of the house to my studio, my PC would be playing the same thing losslessly and perfectly synchronised with the AV7705 (with no lag/latency) through the KRK monitors.

Can HEOS do that for me?

Grateful for your advice!
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I thought Heos[in the Av7705] is for "receiving" from computers and other devices but not "sending" . I could be wrong though....

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Guys, my first post, which is a question of course…

Given a 5.1 source and “Pure Direct” mode, can I instruct the 7705 to upmix to 5.1.4 or 7.1.4?

(I riffled through the thread: there’ve been some reference to the subject matter, but I’d still appreciate a direct response before purchasing equipment).

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* My sound source is Netflix (5.1), generated off a Sony G8000X TV, which is fitted with ARC, not supporting Atmos (I’m in Thailand, where I currently can’t find a 43” with eARC).

* The TV signal will be transmitted over HDMI to the 7705 (ARC <-> ARC).

* I plan on expanding 2.2 active Genelc monitors and subs to 5.2.4. The 7705 will feed the relevant channels into one sub, which will bass-manage the signals and then pass the processed signal to the other monitors and sub (high/low filters). The heights won’t be bass-managed for lack of I/O on the sub (it supports up 7.1 and daisy chaining with other subs).

* The 7705 will be set to Pure Direct mode, and the system calibrated with the Genelec software/adapter (GLM 3.0).

Is upmixing 5.1 to 5.1.4 or 7.1.4 possible?
If so, will it offer a pleasant experience? Or should I stay with 5.1 until I can source a TV with eARC?

Thanks for any input or insight.
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Guys, my first post, which is a question of course…

Given a 5.1 source and “Pure Direct” mode, can I instruct the 7705 to upmix to 5.1.4 or 7.1.4?
Nope. DIRECT and PURE DIRECT both disable Audyssey and bass management and simply pass the source signal as is, therefore 5.1 ---> 5.1 with all speakers treated as LARGE.
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I read somewhere since using RCA in short footage (Arround 7 feet) is the same as using an XLR, I currently use 1 meter RCA, I ask you, if I use XLR will I have any advantage over short distances?

Another question I find interesting, what is the difference between Marantz 7705 vs Marantz 8012 Vs Marantz 7013 compared to pre-out outputs / overall sound quality?

In audioholics they commented that the AVRs the amplifier is always connected to the pre out outputs, so do not exceed 2v, I wonder what the impact of separating and using the 7705 vs 8012 vs 7013?
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I read somewhere since using RCA in short footage (Arround 7 feet) is the same as using an XLR, I currently use 1 meter RCA, I ask you, if I use XLR will I have any advantage over short distances?

Another question I find interesting, what is the difference between Marantz 7705 vs Marantz 8012 Vs Marantz 7013 compared to pre-out outputs / overall sound quality?

In audioholics they commented that the AVRs the amplifier is always connected to the pre out outputs, so do not exceed 2v, I wonder what the impact of separating and using the 7705 vs 8012 vs 7013?
All of this is exactly what I’ve been trying to figure out too as I am getting my new home theater setup slowly while the house is being built!

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Bi-Amp configuration

I want to run my system Bi-Amped however there is not really any useful information as to configuring the preamp outputs in the manual. For instance, I assume the main L&R are high, and the second outputs are low? And how do you set up the crossover? Maybe each channel is full range with the expectation that the speakers crossover will do the work.. but that doesn't make sense as the goal is to not amplify signals that are not needed.

Has anyone used this feature?
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I want to run my system Bi-Amped however there is not really any useful information as to configuring the preamp outputs in the manual. For instance, I assume the main L&R are high, and the second outputs are low? And how do you set up the crossover? Maybe each channel is full range with the expectation that the speakers crossover will do the work.. but that doesn't make sense as the goal is to not amplify signals that are not needed.

Has anyone used this feature?
The reason why using the AVP's bi-amp mode provides no real benefit (ie. same signal is passed to both sets of pre-outs).
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Current 7704 owner here, but looking at the 7705. My 7704 is out for warranty repair and it's taking forever. Not too happy with Marantz's customer support, but I still find myself looking at one of their products. Anyone upgrade to the 7705 from the 7704 and notice any difference? The specs look about the same with a few changes.

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