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The non LCD remote is a backward step (imho) to the AVR X7200WA's so I got one from the AV8805.
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You folks are having a "knee-jerk" reaction to the measurements on Audiosciencereview.
I simply posted a link, my reaction was to the troll who seemed to concentrate on anything but the review itself.
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Actually the measurements and comparisons that count are quite positive.
only when using the 2.4V figures
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You need to understand that Audio Science is a tough site. The goal of the measurements to find the absolute best performers. Multi-purpose AVR's and AVP's aren't going to come out at the top. That said, here is what the measurements mean IMO in the AV7705 product space:
it doesn't have to come out at the "top" but shouldn't be better than a $50.00 Chinese DAC? Remember these are not MCH measurements but basic 2 ch. ones.They use good quality chips and than they "ruin" it with their Pre-amp analog section and with a dumb choice of filter which is not user changeable.
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o It is the 2.4V XLR measurements that are important. They are very good. Those measurements are what is important for a consumer level AVP. 2.4V is plenty to drive the typical amplifier used with an AV7705, say a Monoprice Monolith 7 or XPA Gen3, easily into clipping. 4V isn't required. It's likely that the measurements that involved distortion, that were only taken at 4V, would improve inline with the improvement shown for the measurements taken at both 4V and 2.4V.
right maybe the inter modulation distortion was measured with the 4V, but not having a flat FR with the slow rolling filter can't be explained that way, nor is Marantz's insistence to use that single filter by design that measures the worst.
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o At 2.4V the AV8805 (also measured by Audio Science) offers two more channels, but essentially the same measured results as the AV7705. The AV7705 is less than 1/2 the price the price of the AV8805. Those who bought the AV7705 made an excellent decision. A seven channel version of the Monoprice or Emotiva power amplifiers noted above could be purchased with the extra funds and still have a few dollars remaining.
Quiet right I have no remorse that I bought the AV7705 however as Amir had pointed out all of the problems could have been corrected if Marantz wanted to or cared without really spending much, or spending on engineering instead of marketing. The Marantz name deserves better IMO.

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I just read the interesting analysis over at ASR.
A possible explanation of the 7705's 4V results vs the 8805's, could be that the latter has a more expensive toroidal power transformer while the 7705 doesn't. That could explain the "clipping" seen when the unit is driven to the absolute max volume -- ie the AV 7705's power supply simply cannot supply any more juice above a certain level.
Ps. I never go anywhere near max volume in my system -- partly not to annoy the neighbors, and also because I'd aggravate my tinnitus if I play things too loud ;-)

In terms of the frequency response, I have certain 'reference' CDs and DVD-As in my collection which go back many years. And I have heard them on many systems. So my brain basically has a frequency 'map' of every track on those discs.

In short, I can absolutely say that all the treble and clarity that I've ever heard on those discs is all present and correct as I would want -- to my brain / ears -- with the AV7705 (digital input from the source to the Marantz as lossless LPCM via HDMI).

However, this is my second AV7705. The first one, which I had to return due to a technical fault with the display output, DID have very noticeable upper frequency roll-off. It was so noticeable with my reference discs that I was almost going to return the 7705 and get the equivalent Yamaha for that reason alone.
But perhaps in subsequent firmware updates Marantz has changed the filter setting in the AK4458 DACs from 'slow' to the steeper low-pass curve option?? (My second AV7705 definitely sounds a lot clearer than the first one did.)

However, whether or not Marantz did change the DAC filter mode, it would be really appreciated if they could please provide us with a user-changeable setting like Yamaha do in their AVRs:

From: https://manual.yamaha.com/av/18/cxa5..._ss3.html#st12

DAC Digital Filter
Selects the digital filter type of the audio DAC (digital-to-analog converter) to have favorite sounds.

Settings:
Sharp Roll-off Type
Removes out-of-band noises by the filter with steep attenuation characteristics.
It has a tendency to produce clear sounds.

Slow Roll-off Type
Removes out-of-band noises by the filter with gentle attenuation characteristics.
It has a tendency to produce soft sounds.

Short Latency Type
Reduces the audio delay caused by the DAC internal digital filter.
It has a tendency to produce responsive and rhythmical sounds.

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...but not having a flat FR with the slow rolling filter can't be explained that way, nor is Marantz's insistence to use that single filter by design that measures the worst....
It depends what you measure.
These filter slope options exist in many DACs.
And they are all trade-offs -- each mode having its respective strengths and weaknesses.

For example:

Case 1 - Sharp filter:
Strength: more likely to achieve a ruler-flat frequency response.
Weaknesses: (a) inferior impulse response; (b) more 'ringing'. ('Listener-fatigue' or 'glare' is often associated with this ringing phenomenon.)

Case 2 - 'Slow' filter:
Strengths: (a) better impulse response; (b) less ringing.
Weaknesses: Slight frequency response roll-off just prior to the Nyquist threshold.


So take your pick

But I agree that Marantz should allow us, the user, to make that choice of filter.
It could be easily implemented (as Yamaha does in its equivalent AVP).

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I connected my Adcom 5 channel amp to the four assignable height channels to run my zone 2&3 speakers but cannot find a way to tell the system to assign them to the zones. All I have are 11.1 & 9.1 (Bi-Amp) and 9.1 ch + Front B.

I have searched the manual and online and find nothing.

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I connected my Adcom 5 channel amp to the four assignable height channels to run my zone 2&3 speakers but cannot find a way to tell the system to assign them to the zones. All I have are 11.1 & 9.1 (Bi-Amp) and 9.1 ch + Front B.

I have searched the manual and online and find nothing.
You don't, rather instead you must use the Zone 2/3 pre-outs.
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You don't, rather instead you must use the Zone 2/3 pre-outs.

I have never been happy to feel like an idiot before.


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Not at all … we've all made connectivity errors.
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I connected my Adcom 5 channel amp to the four assignable height channels to run my zone 2&3 speakers but cannot find a way to tell the system to assign them to the zones. All I have are 11.1 & 9.1 (Bi-Amp) and 9.1 ch + Front B.
Adcom, now there is a name I have not heard in a while, when did you buy your amp?
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Adcom, now there is a name I have not heard in a while, when did you buy your amp?
It was a new old stock 7605 I got about 10 years ago. Works great. I will eventually use it for my ceiling Atmos speakers & use an even older Carver amp I have sitting around for the zones.

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I've got 5 of them running my 5.2.4 rig, see my signature.
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Quiet right I have no remorse that I bought the AV7705 however as Amir had pointed out all of the problems could have been corrected if Marantz wanted to or cared without really spending much, or spending on engineering instead of marketing. The Marantz name deserves better IMO.

Couldn't agree with you more.

That sentiment, that manufacturers could easily do better, is the biggest reason for the ASR site: to provide measurements of gear, show the issues, and cause manufacturers to do better. Hopefully with more measurements of consumer level gear available, the consumer level gear manufacturers will improve the quality of their products.

IMO subwoofers have improved a lot in quality in the past 10-yeears and much of that improvement is due to having several sites that publish measurements.
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Question for everyone about the Audyssey vs Manual options in the Speaker settings:

Say I have run Audyssey but I also went and changed some speaker distances and crossovers in the Manual setup. Then I check on my Marantz app that Audyssey is 'on'. Does the AV7705 pull only the Audyssey settings or will it run the Audyssey corrections with my Manual menu settings changes?

I'm wondering if I can use Audyssey and make changes in the AV7705 menu to tweak things. Otherwise, it would seem I need to use the Audyssey iphone app to make the changes and upload a new Audyssey profile each time.

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Question for everyone about the Audyssey vs Manual options in the Speaker settings:

Say I have run Audyssey but I also went and changed some speaker distances and crossovers in the Manual setup. Then I check on my Marantz app that Audyssey is 'on'. Does the AV7705 pull only the Audyssey settings or will it run the Audyssey corrections with my Manual menu settings changes?

I'm wondering if I can use Audyssey and make changes in the AV7705 menu to tweak things. Otherwise, it would seem I need to use the Audyssey iphone app to make the changes and upload a new Audyssey profile each time.
The latter as the Manual Setup changes become the active settings used by Audyssey. The Audyssey Setup settings remain unchanged such that you can easily return to them should you choose to do so at a later time.

Using the Audyssey MultEQ Editor app (iOS/Android, $20), you can create an Audyssey EQ curve and then make multiple copies of it which will then allow you to make different changes to each EQ for comparison. It takes only about 1 minute to stream the EQ back to the AVP.
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The latter as the Manual Setup changes become the active settings used by Audyssey. The Audyssey Setup settings remain unchanged such that you can easily return to them should you choose to do so at a later time.

Using the Audyssey MultEQ Editor app (iOS/Android, $20), you can create an Audyssey EQ curve and then make multiple copies of it which will then allow you to make different changes to each EQ for comparison. It takes only about 1 minute to stream the EQ back to the AVP.
Perfect, thanks for the help. I do use the app for a bunch of different profiles. But I find it much easier to tweak trims in the manual marantz screen than to upload audyssey profiles (I bump the center, adjust the subs, etc depending on content). Now if I could just understand why the AV7705 will randomly turn off Audyssey...I have to go and check it's active all the time.

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Perfect, thanks for the help. I do use the app for a bunch of different profiles. But I find it much easier to tweak trims in the manual marantz screen than to upload audyssey profiles (I bump the center, adjust the subs, etc depending on content). Now if I could just understand why the AV7705 will randomly turn off Audyssey...I have to go and check it's active all the time.
Also note the following:

1. You can also adjust the Subwoofer and Center globally across all sources (outside of Manual Setup) by using the AUDIO - CENTER LEVEL ADJUST and AUDIO - SUBWOOFER LEVEL ADJUST settings.
2. You can also adjust speaker/sub volume levels per source by selecting the OPTION - CHANNEL LEVEL ADJUST setting.
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I got new Klipsch surrounds and recalibrated.

The Pro Kit mic is not seen by the 7705. The mic has to be inserted into the mic port to move forward in the phone app,

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I got new Klipsch surrounds and recalibrated.

The Pro Kit mic is not seen by the 7705. The mic has to be inserted into the mic port to move forward in the phone app,
You must use the Audyssey mic that came with the AV7705 (ie. ACM1HB).
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You must use the Audyssey mic that came with the AV7705 (ie. ACM1HB).
When I got the 7705 I asked if I could use the better mic in the pro kit. It was an unknown and I said I'd try & report.

I tried & reported.

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