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9.2, all in-ceiling. Monoprice caliber 3- ways in which I rebuilt the LCRs. Subs are Electrovoice C10.1 EVID 10". Monoprice 200W 7 channel and an oldie, the Aragon 8008BB. Complete overkill...Sony 65" 4k TV (XBR series), Sony 665ES projector, Dalite 10m projector drop, Stewart 123" Firehawk
With all in-ceiling speakers you really have no need for the RMC-1 and its 9.1.6 decoding. You should seriously consider selling the RMC-1, it is what I would do. You would be much better off with a Marantz AV8802A, AV8805, Denon AVR-X7200A, or AVR-X8500.

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With all in-ceiling speakers you really have no need for the RMC-1 and its 9.1.6 decoding. You should seriously consider selling the RMC-1, it is what I would do. You would be much better off with a Marantz AV8802A, AV8805, Denon AVR-X7200A, or AVR-X8500.

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yeah, I'm fire-selling mine for $4k. It's on Ebay if anyone is interested. The final straw is that when I play music off of my Plex Server through Roku, it rechecks the input and I miss the first 2 seconds of each song. Back to Marantz for me. I'm going to spring for the 8805.
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yeah, I'm fire-selling mine for $4k. It's on Ebay if anyone is interested. The final straw is that when I play music off of my Plex Server through Roku, it rechecks the input and I miss the first 2 seconds of each song. Back to Marantz for me. I'm going to spring for the 8805.
I just want to make sure you know you can return the RMC for a full refund (minus shipping). If you paid full price no need to sell and take a loss when you can return it. Heck, after eBay fees even if you purchased it for a discount you might be better off returning it. Just wanted to make sure you were aware.

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I just want to make sure you know you can return the RMC for a full refund (minus shipping). If you paid full price no need to sell and take a loss when you can return it. Heck, after eBay fees even if you purchased it for a discount you might be better off returning it. Just wanted to make sure you were aware.
My problem is that I thought I was being clever finding an unopened one for sale for 4300...Spoke with Emotive who obviously can't help me. Thanks, though...It's only money...a lot of money
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My problem is that I thought I was being clever finding an unopened one for sale for 4300...Spoke with Emotive who obviously can't help me. Thanks, though...It's only money...a lot of money
Ahhhhh, I gotcha. Didn't know you found it on the secondary market. Best of luck with the sale.

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I'm about to pull the trigger on a Marantz SR7012 to use for movies. Now I need to find a safe way to connect my speakers to a processor/receiver combo without damaging the speakers, amps or receiver/processor. If anybody have ideas, please share
Both processors have a 7.1-ch analog input, so you can feed the 7.1 channels of one into the other. I do exactly that (different processors) and I can then use one for music and the other for movies. No need for extra switchers. Details here.

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Both processors have a 7.1-ch analog input, so you can feed the 7.1 channels of one into the other. I do exactly that (different processors) and I can then use one for music and the other for movies. No need for extra switchers. Details here.
Roger, I thought initially about doing that. Now that you are doing it I may try that route instead of the switcher. In my case, I'm getting now a Denon X6500H which doesn't have 7.1 Analog Inputs but the XMC-1 does. So I guess what I need to do is send the Denon 7.1 pre outs to the 7.1 Analog In on the XMC-1 then find the right level of volume on the XMC-1 and keep it at the same level when using the Denon. Then change volume only on the Denon when watching movies. Then for music, only the XMC-1 has to be ON. How did you level match volume between the two processors? With an SPL meter? I'm also using a miniDSP 2x4 HD for the subwoofers so that is not a problem for me.

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Roger, I thought initially about doing that. Now that you are doing it I may try that route instead of the switcher. In my case, I'm getting now a Denon X6500H which doesn't have 7.1 Analog Inputs but the XMC-1 does. So I guess what I need to do is send the Denon 7.1 pre outs to the 7.1 Analog In on the XMC-1 then find the right level of volume on the XMC-1 and keep it at the same level when using the Denon. Then change volume only on the Denon when watching movies. Then for music, only the XMC-1 has to be ON. How did you level match volume between the two processors? With an SPL meter? I'm also using a miniDSP 2x4 HD for the subwoofers so that is not a problem for me.
If you go this route, maybe consider the x4500h, no reason to pay for extra amps if you aren't going to use them, unless there is a feature missing there I don't know about.
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Both processors have a 7.1-ch analog input, so you can feed the 7.1 channels of one into the other. I do exactly that (different processors) and I can then use one for music and the other for movies. No need for extra switchers. Details here.
Yes, that would work! (Why didn't we think of that?)
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If you go this route, maybe consider the x4500h, no reason to pay for extra amps if you aren't going to use them, unless there is a feature missing there I don't know about.
I agree. Any of the X4x00 series would do just as well as the X6x00 in this case.
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I'm getting now a Denon X6500H which doesn't have 7.1 Analog Inputs but the XMC-1 does. So I guess what I need to do is send the Denon 7.1 pre outs to the 7.1 Analog In on the XMC-1 then find the right level of volume on the XMC-1 and keep it at the same level when using the Denon. Then change volume only on the Denon when watching movies. Then for music, only the XMC-1 has to be ON. How did you level match volume between the two processors? With an SPL meter?
The Anthem had already been set up to 75 dB SPL for each speaker when directly connected to the amps. After I added the "pass through" processor, I used its gain trims and master volume to achieve the same 75 dB SPL with the same noise source. I told the SSP to use that volume setting as default when it powers up. Denon/Marantz has a dandy "Quick Select" feature that memorizes the input and volume setting, which would work nicely. Not sure what the Emotiva has along these lines, but if nothing else you can set it to some particular volume setting.

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The Anthem had already been set up to 75 dB SPL for each speaker when directly connected to the amps. After I added the "pass through" processor, I used its gain trims and master volume to achieve the same 75 dB SPL with the same noise source. I told the SSP to use that volume setting as default when it powers up. Denon/Marantz has a dandy "Quick Select" feature that memorizes the input and volume setting, which would work nicely. Not sure what the Emotiva has along these lines, but if nothing else you can set it to some particular volume setting.
That is definitely what I'm going to do. Run Audyssey with the Denon connected directly to the amps, then route the pre amp outs into the XMC-1 7.1 Multichannel Input and with a SPL meter find the value for the master volume. On the XMC-1 the 7.1 Multichannel input bypass all the processing and the signal pass directly to the pre outs affected only by the master volume. There is also a trim that I can adjust for the 7.1 Multichannel input and the XMC-1 has also a default volume level that I can set when it powers up. Looks like this is going to work. The main reason I'm not updating the XMC-1 with the ATMOS board is because I don't want to loose Dolby PLIIx Music which I always use for listening to music. The new Dolby Surround mode sounds totally different and I don't like it at all.

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The main reason I'm not updating the XMC-1 with the ATMOS board is because I don't want to lose Dolby PLIIx Music which I always use for listening to music. The new Dolby Surround mode sounds totally different and I don't like it at all.
That is the key reason I have the dual processor setup, too. I also like the flexibility I gain from the PEQ filters in the "music" processor. ARC in the Anthem does not offer much flexibility in that regard.
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Hi all. Have there been any improvements to all the issues mentioned? Any update from Emotiva?
I could demo a unit in the UK, but to be honest had discounted getting one after reading this thread.
I’m considering the Marantz 8805 but how does Audyssey compare to Dirac? I have read Dirac is better.
Does anyone have an idea when HDMI 2.1 will hit processors? Will it be 2020 models now?

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Hi all. Have there been any improvements to all the issues mentioned? Any update from Emotiva?
I could demo a unit in the UK, but to be honest had discounted getting one after reading this thread.
I’m considering the Marantz 8805 but how does Audyssey compare to Dirac? I have read Dirac is better.
Does anyone have an idea when HDMI 2.1 will hit processors? Will it be 2020 models now?

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Understand this unit is definitely in beta stage, and in my opinion not ready for prime time. There are a lot of more refined choices available at that price range. You could probably get Dirac as a standalone program itself but I'm not sure.
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You can get Dirac Live standalone on a PC or as in a stand-alone HW unit like a miniDSP unit. The NAD M17 v2 includes it, Lexicon's processors, probably a few more. Dirac Live uses a different, arguably better, scheme than Audyssey and is more tunable.
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You can get Dirac Live standalone on a PC or as in a stand-alone HW unit like a miniDSP unit. The NAD M17 v2 includes it, Lexicon's processors, probably a few more. Dirac Live uses a different, arguably better, scheme than Audyssey and is more tunable.
any of those support 7.2.4, 9.2.4, 7.2.6 or even 9.2.6?
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any of those support 7.2.4, 9.2.4, 7.2.6 or even 9.2.6?
No idea what they support, sorry...

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Hi all. Have there been any improvements to all the issues mentioned? Any update from Emotiva?
I could demo a unit in the UK, but to be honest had discounted getting one after reading this thread.
I’m considering the Marantz 8805 but how does Audyssey compare to Dirac? I have read Dirac is better.
Does anyone have an idea when HDMI 2.1 will hit processors? Will it be 2020 models now?

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RMC-1 = Stay away, if your not into beta testing.............Sounds superb and great, but there are bugs, and very annoying. As far as it getting DIRAC, I don't see that happening until the summer..... I have some patience, got a good price, and my return period starts after DIRAC is released, so there is that. It will probably be a superb processor by the fall or end of the year..........

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any of those support 7.2.4, 9.2.4, 7.2.6 or even 9.2.6?

IIRC the only units that donn't support Dirac on all of its channels were (are?) some Arcam receivers.

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On the emotiva forums, the only way they seem to respond with any info is if enough people post angry messages (and get warned/blacklisted in the process). There's no info on the dropouts and they carefully changed "Coming in Q1 2019" to "Coming soon" for Dirac support... there's obviously a reason for that. They seem to believe that the update they did in February should make everyone happy and they did such a great job everyone should sit back and enjoy the thing. I love the one comment "I guess we broke something (one sound mode) while trying to fix another". It's not even said with a sense of urgency of fixing the problem they introduced, it's just like 'oh well, it happens'. I realize it's a complex task, but how is that other companies can do it without issues and drama?


I tried playing with the power-modes so that it doesn't take so long to boot up. Now, consistently, if the unit sits for more than a day or so, it will NEVER sync to any HDMI source (the one that it was left at or any other for that matter) at start-up without a hard reboot. The other day I found that the levels are being magically set back to 0 for most speakers every once in a while. I laugh every time I press a button on the remote (other than volume, which is the only thing that actually responds quickly) and wait for the system to recognize the input... it makes the old DirectV boxes look stellar. Every time I use it, there's a new problem.


It's really unbelievable how much they expect their customers to "bear with us". What's the biggest eye opener is that people just tolerate this from this company. When I bought the product, I just assumed it wouldn't be like that. Shame on me for not researching it more carefully... but I figured, if they'd been around for a long time and are developing multiple generations of these types of products, it can't be that bad. Again, my bad... I didn't know this is how they normally operate, had I read the XMC-1 forums I guess I could have gotten a taste of it.

I wouldn't expect Dirac to be available until the Summer, at the earliest, given the problem list. They won't even comment on Dirac anymore.

I am also getting tired of waiting for this thing to work out. I've started looking at some alternatives again. I only need 7.2.4 and would prefer 2 additional zones, Dirac (must have!) and... stability. I thought the last one was a given, but apparently not.
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very surprise in the site émotiva ,many peoples said some problème ,now nothing in the site émotiva rmc-1.

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For fun, just go browse the 8805 owners threads on avsforum, it's like night and day (especially if you also read the emotiva lounge forum). People are discussing accessories, etc... here, people are just trying to get through a movie or figure out when emotiva will actually deliver on the promised features.

If the 8805 had Dirac, I'd make a move in a second. Now I'm looking at Lexicon (basically same as Arcam), I ruled out Theta and AudioControl, and then the price point jumps up to options like Datasat or Trinnov or Bryston.
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For fun, just go browse the 8805 owners threads on avsforum, it's like night and day (especially if you also read the emotiva lounge forum). People are discussing accessories, etc... here, people are just trying to get through a movie or figure out when emotiva will actually deliver on the promised features.



If the 8805 had Dirac, I'd make a move in a second. Now I'm looking at Lexicon (basically same as Arcam), I ruled out Theta and AudioControl, and then the price point jumps up to options like Datasat or Trinnov or Bryston.


Yep. I have an Emotiva 40 percent off card, but this is too much. Likely NAD or Lexicon for me. Emotiva should’ve waited until summer to release this and somehow upped their beta program.


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For fun, just go browse the 8805 owners threads on avsforum, it's like night and day (especially if you also read the emotiva lounge forum). People are discussing accessories, etc... here, people are just trying to get through a movie or figure out when emotiva will actually deliver on the promised features.

If the 8805 had Dirac, I'd make a move in a second. Now I'm looking at Lexicon (basically same as Arcam), I ruled out Theta and AudioControl, and then the price point jumps up to options like Datasat or Trinnov or Bryston.
Arcam, Lexicon and Audiocontrol... all the same DNA. Nice thing about Audiocontrol is that if you call them for support, a real human answers. I have a Maestro M9 and love it. Moving from a Marantz 7702MKII the sound is superior, even better with Dirac.

Briefly had the Lexicon RV-6 which was outstanding (also better than the Marantz), upgraded to the M9 as I got an incredible deal and wanted a dedicated pre/pro. M9 differs from all of the other Arcam, Lexicon and Audiocontrol units in that it has discrete Burr Brown DAC's. Didn't even have to change the remote codes!

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Now I'm looking at Lexicon (basically same as Arcam), I ruled out Theta and AudioControl, and then the price point jumps up to options like Datasat or Trinnov or Bryston.

Lyngdorf MP-50 for way less the last three.

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Lyngdorf MP-50 for way less the last three.

Interesting. Seems though I may need a few more things....Dirac, multiple zones, balanced audio in (although maybe the connector will allow that). But it looks nice overall. I guess the room correction software is their own design... will research vs Dirac.
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[QUOTE=austin_avp;57790028]Interesting. Seems though I may need a few more things....Dirac, multiple zones,.../QUOTE]


Almost everybody who has tried both prefers RP; see the thread at AVForums https://www.avforums.com/threads/lyn...hread.1580956/

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Interesting. Seems though I may need a few more things....Dirac, multiple zones,.../QUOTE]


Almost everybody who has tried both prefers RP; see the thread at AVForums https://www.avforums.com/threads/lyn...hread.1580956/
which one can do 7.2.4 with options for 9.2.4, 7.2.6 or even 9.2.6?
the common factor is x.2.x
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which one can do 7.2.4 with options for 9.2.4, 7.2.6 or even 9.2.6?
the common factor is x.2.x

The answer is complicated and more than I'm willing, or perhaps able, to answer.

There are dedicated threads for all of them that contain the info.

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