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post #1351 of 1408 Old 01-14-2020, 12:39 PM
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And with that Keith is back today... citing more components that don't follow the standard. It's truly amazing that you can buy a bluray player and hook it up to a TV, seems like the odds would be so low this would work in Emotiva's world. Maybe Best Buy needs to put together a giant X-Y matrix, with sources on the X and TVs/projectors on the Y... put a red X or green check in each box. Put that on the web so that buyers can make sure that they have compatibility between their purchases. Then, make a table per HDMI cable.

He's now actually saying that they'll make recommendations eventually on what to buy to use with the RMC1. Seriously?

For all those of you that have a stable system, eventually realize that you'll probably replace/augment/upgrade sources before you buy a new prepro. I wish you luck in light of that.
Yep, I was just reading latest KeithL finger pointing post: Intel NUCs do not follow the HDMI Standard so that they could not work with Emotiva processors. Geezz... I'm kinda coming to the conclusion that "Mythomania 101" must be part of the training curriculum at Emotiva headquarters...

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Yep, I was just reading latest KeithL finger pointing post: Intel NUCs do not follow the HDMI Standard so that they could not work with Emotiva processors. Geezz... I'm kinda coming to the conclusion that "Mythomania 101" must be part of the training curriculum at Emotiva headquarters...

Yes, PCs, bluray players, cable/sat boxes... all apparently do not what they are doing with respect to HDMI. Luckily Emotiva is available and willing to police the situation, if they don't keep up the fight, seems like we would all just have to go back to analog/component cables and hope for the best.
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Apparently their own PEQ inside the unit is not to "standard" either as the PEQ does not work on the Sub Channels.

Maybe the numbers REW tells me to enter into the PEQ are not "standard" numbers...

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We are talking about a company that doesn't understand the decimal system

Hence firmware on the XMC-1:

5.14 is newer than 5.8

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We are talking about a company that doesn't understand the decimal system



Hence firmware on the XMC-1:



5.14 is newer than 5.8
Is May 8 before or after May 14? This is standard convention, not the decimal system.
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Apparently their own PEQ inside the unit is not to "standard" either as the PEQ does not work on the Sub Channels.
So much for REW calibration. Calibration is not possible without external DSP.
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Is May 8 before or after May 14? This is standard convention, not the decimal system.
It's probably more that it's software using semantic versioning but yeah - not the decimal system
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No hits at all. I had it as Or Best Offer as well. Between the treatment from EMOTIVA, and thinking about it, I wouldn't want the prospective buyer to deal with it, and all the bugs. It's the principal behind it for me now, after all I've seen and heard in over a year as an owner, and a sanctioned beta tester that actually bought this unit Before becoming one. I'm going to dig back into EMOTIVA'S pocket and get my money back from them. They don't deserve it.

I was called Captain America in a deleted reply to one one of my posts as a derogatory adjective. Maybe we need more Captain Americans.

Anyone who would like to ask me questions about my experiences, or would like to see my private emails and conversations with EMOTIVA and the executive staff are welcome to PM me.
Good for you. Glad to know Emotiva's business model hasn't changed -- I went through the same with the UMC-1 (beta tester for God knows how long, lack of ethics on Emotiva's part, empty promises, starting the return clock after many months without letting customers know, etc.).

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I know you hate to hear it - but yes I do.
How can you say this, when Dirac has not worked with a single unit? You can't even set up a proper calibration.
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Whether anyone wants to use or not, the RMC-1 would not carry an MSRP of $5000 and be of interest to anyone if Dirac Live was no longer a promised feature. I'd say this goes for any processor available. Its not picking on Emotiva...its just a fact.
There is also no sign of the expansion modules they have pitched as imminent since CEDIA 2017. RMC-1 owners may have paid $1k extra for a bloated RMC-1L. With the XMC-2, I'm not sure why the RMC-1L even exists.
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From CEDIA 2018: Emotiva Gets Ready For 11.5.8 Dolby Atmos
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The XLR-output modules will be available in the first quarter and bring the cost of a 24-channel version of the RMC-1 to around $6,000 to $6,500, Laufman told Sound & Vision. The AVP is the company’s first audio component with Dolby Atmos and DTS:X decoding, but more are on the way, including the 13-channel $2,999 XMC-2 AVP in early January 2019. It will be capable of immersive speaker layouts up to 7.2.4 speakers and will be followed later in the first quarter by the 16-channel $3,799 RMC-2, capable of 9.1.6-channel speaker layouts. Neither offers the channel-expansion options of the RMC-1.

Dolby Atmos and DTS:X will also come to the company’s first AVR, due early in 2019. It will feature 15.1 channels of output to support 9.1.6-speaker layouts and will be rated at 15x200 watts into 8 ohms.

“The outputs are fully assignable, and each XLR expansion module contains a dedicated dual-core Sharc processor and DACs,” Laufman said of the RMC-1.

The expansion bays can also accept a balanced input expansion module, a MC/MM phono module, and a thin-client streaming module.


All 16 of the RMC-1’s 16 channels are fully balanced, and each channel is processed by a separate AKM Verita 32-bit DAC. Each channels supports 11-band parametric equalization through the free Room EQ Wizard room-correction software. The processor also features 15.1 or 13.3 Dirac Live automatic room correction running on all 16 channels at a 96kHz sampling rate.
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My earlier post was deleted, but basically I hope the prospective buyers of this unit are not swayed or mislead by the one or two saying they have a fully functional unit. They do not.
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I know you hate to hear it - but yes I do.
You are satisfied, which is a good thing. It makes sound. But, that does not mean the unit is fully functional. Prospective buyers should be aware that the platform is still quite a distance away from the target (as is the Arcam platform). That doesn't mean it is functional or that it will never be 100% complete. But 100% won't be soon if ever based on their pace and track record.

Emotiva has been working on this for far too long to be in this position (again!).

January 7, 2017
Emotiva announced their long awaited RMC-1 Dolby Atmos/DTS:X AV Processor

1.7.2017 was not the date of conception. This was the official announcement, so the hardware design was near complete and prototyped. They have been working on this uber SSP since 2010! Original ETA, Summer 2013. When Atmos dropped. Emo said no problem, both the XMC and RMC will support Atmos.

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What is the status as of now ? can the main problems be listed.

I've been thinking about getting the RMC-1L but I suppose I need to be cautious.

If Emotiva takes this matter seriously and irons-out all the problems quickly and efficiently then I will definitely consider the RMC-1L.

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What is the status as of now ? can the main problems be listed.



I've been thinking about getting the RMC-1L but I suppose I need to be cautious.



If Emotiva takes this matter seriously and irons-out all the problems quickly and efficiently then I will definitely consider the RMC-1L.


Considering they’ve been selling it for a year with about 4-5 firmware updates, and no updates in months, I think it’s safe to say they don’t have the capability of ironing out the problems quickly, if at all.


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I'm kind of glad I received a unit with broken video now. It immediately set the tone for what to expect (and then after buying an HDFury Vertex 2 to bypass the video I still had audio lock-on issues). I wonder if Emotiva realizes that experiences like this cause consumers to not want to buy anything with their branding on it (and negative word-of-mouth marketing)? Unless they release some miracle product in the future, I likely won't be returning to them for anything else ever again.
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Considering they’ve been selling it for a year with about 4-5 firmware updates, and no updates in months, I think it’s safe to say they don’t have the capability of ironing out the problems quickly, if at all.


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That is rather disappointing because the RMC-1/L has the potential to be an awesome processor.

I guess I have no choice but to look into alternative solutions
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What is the status as of now ? can the main problems be listed.

I've been thinking about getting the RMC-1L but I suppose I need to be cautious.

If Emotiva takes this matter seriously and irons-out all the problems quickly and efficiently then I will definitely consider the RMC-1L.
I suggest you, and anyone else go to their forums and read on what problems the users are having if you don't believe what you read here.

They will both mirror.

Matter of fact, you will see more issues, and user problems over there.

I'll say that they themselves do not take their processors seriously. They only have 5 people working on their code. 1 is trying to fix operational bug, 4 trying to get DIRAC working.

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Their justification is that:


"its hard"


"90%" is good enough,


"just use lossy Dolby Digital, and not the Uncompressed LOSSLESS. Most of our customers don't know/can't tell the difference"


"If you don't like it go to another brand"


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Looking forward to see how Dirac work on Emotiva processors knowing that is Emotiva who is writing the whole code as they got only the API from Dirac. It wouldn't be a surprise to me if only their mic works and only one brand of USB cables too.
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Looking forward to see how Dirac work on Emotiva processors knowing that is Emotiva who is writing the whole code as they got only the API from Dirac. It wouldn't be a surprise to me if only their mic works and only one brand of USB cables too.


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They should have released the processor with what ever features working at a base price and add every new feature and charge for the new features added. This way people at least dont pay and you do engineering work from their funding.
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They should have released the processor with what ever features working at a base price and add every new feature and charge for the new features added. This way people at least dont pay and you do engineering work from their funding.


That wouldn’t make Little Dan feel like the power player he so desperately wants to be.


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Well, Keith is now saying that everyone who has a directv box (worth about $59 or so) or similar that doesn't work with the RMC1 (but works with everything else) should demand that directv take the box back and fix it, in not to many words, sparking a mass recall akin to the Takata airbag recalls.



Just call up Directv and speak with tech support, tell them you have signed a contract and then discovered that their box isn't HDMI compliant and you'd like to develop a plan to address the problem. if they can't help you, just tell them you want out of your contract due to lack of demonstration of HDMI compliance. Sure, I think there's an option right on the home menu for that.





Not really sure where to begin there. There's. Just. So. Much. To. Say.
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Is May 8 before or after May 14? This is standard convention, not the decimal system.
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It's probably more that it's software using semantic versioning but yeah - not the decimal system
Yeah. I didn't understand that. Thanks for explaining it to me.

I understood it and shows to me how bad they are at everything they do. Even numbering their updates.

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Yeah. I didn't understand that. Thats for explaining it to me.



I understood it and shows to me how bad they are everything they do. Even numbering their updates.


Not picking a fight but maybe you missed a /s tag in your post then

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I understood it and shows to me how bad they are everything they do. Even numbering their updates.
Emotiva is not bad at numbering their updates. They are numbering their firmware in a standard way. The same as many others. Take a look at Intel's driver numbering for reference.

https://www.intel.com/content/www/us...s-drivers.html

They are also pretty good at building amplifiers. It's just the preamps that seem to overwhelm them.
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What is the status as of now ? can the main problems be listed.

I've been thinking about getting the RMC-1L but I suppose I need to be cautious.

If Emotiva takes this matter seriously and irons-out all the problems quickly and efficiently then I will definitely consider the RMC-1L.
Emotiva is currently focused on getting Dirac to work on the 3 processors. Might be ideal to let the product mature a little bit with the bugs since they need to first finish Dirac - they are a little behind.
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Emotiva is not bad at numbering their updates. They are numbering their firmware in a standard way. The same as many others. Take a look at Intel's driver numbering for reference.

https://www.intel.com/content/www/us...s-drivers.html

They are also pretty good at building amplifiers. It's just the preamps that seem to overwhelm them.

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I would drill that down to “processors”. Their preamps (and the preamp section of their A/V processors) are actually quite good. Bringing software driven elements into play is where they fall short.
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I would drill that down to “processors”. Their preamps (and the preamp section of their A/V processors) are actually quite good. Bringing software driven elements into play is where they fall short.
You are so right! My mistake.
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Emotiva is not bad at numbering their updates. They are numbering their firmware in a standard way. The same as many others. Take a look at Intel's driver numbering for reference.

https://www.intel.com/content/www/us...s-drivers.html

They are also pretty good at building amplifiers. It's just the preamps that seem to overwhelm them.

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No matter what product you look at from them, they have some type of bonehead move. Even their amps XLR is non standard.
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