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post #271 of 548 Old 03-31-2019, 10:56 PM
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Your Atmos comments and discussion (in this case) belong in the Atmos discussion thread where you will get proper traction. You can also search the keywords GRAVITY and SNAP in that thread. I typed an entire tutorial on using the forum thread search tool as well as Google for you.
I'm sorry, but NOTHING belongs in an 1800 page thread at this point, IMO. That thread is unapproachable at this juncture as it's a black hole that anything posted in it becomes lost and even a search engine can't solve everything. There comes a time when threads should end and new ones should begin. You cannot put "everything Atmos" in one thread. My comments pertained to an issue with 9.1.6 and 11.1.6 processors that will soon become available. They are not meant as abstract general Atmos discussion and do not apply to 95% of all Atmos users.

Whether Gravity is a snap or not, the snap function is still an issue as it places sounds where they should not be. If they are meant for the wide location (between front and side surround) then that's where they should be. Whether a given speaker can produce a 'pinpoint' enough phantom sound or not is not a decision that should be left up to the sound engineer to arbitrarily move it somewhere else, especially in the light of the lack of AVRs supporting front wides at this juncture. The user should be allowed to decide whether his system sounds better with phantom imaging or hard speakers (if he even has a choice). Unfortunately, other than convincing sound engineers to not use the snap function, it's probably too late at this point. Dolby should take a hard stance against pinning speakers for arbitrary "channel layout" designs as Disney is doing as this defeats the entire point of Atmos and turns it into Auro-3D Layout V2.0 instead and makes high-end Atmos systems pretty much non-functional in larger rooms as most of the speakers will not be utilized. That would include the HTP-1 with its 9.1.6 layout.

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What is 7.2.4?
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Is there any soundtrack that has x.2.x? I don't get it.
When you see numbers like 5.1.4 or 9.1.6, do you believe they're describing discrete channels in a soundtrack?

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Speaker configuration. When you see numbers like 5.1.4 or 9.1.6, do you believe they're describing discrete channels in a soundtrack?
For the LFE channel, yes. And for Atmos satellites, potentially but not necessarily, yes.

In HT, subs are summed and function as a single unit with multiple drivers - like a speaker. If I have a three 4-way speakers, should that count as 12?

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For the LFE channel, yes. And for Atmos satellites, potentially but not necessarily, yes.
Common use of the X.x nomenclature changed a long time ago to also describe speaker layouts.
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That thread is unapproachable at this juncture as it's a black hole that anything posted in it becomes lost and even a search engine can't solve everything.
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Whether Gravity is a snap or not, the snap function is still an issue as it places sounds where they should not be.

You don't have to search, just ask your question.

As for the snap issue, I believe at least one other person hasn't experienced w/the same soundtrack; are you sure it isn't something related to your complex setup?

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You don't have to search, just ask your question.
I wasn't aware I ever had any "question" to ask. I made a comment. I get a reply pointing to an 1800 page thread with no explanation why.

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As for the snap issue, I believe at least one other person hasn't experienced w/the same soundtrack; are you sure it isn't something related to your complex setup?
I have no way on heaven or earth of knowing what other people have experienced. When it's too much bother for someone to go to the exact section of a movie and see what their system does, the point is moot. It may very well be a simple issue of a film mixing guy who doesn't "believe" in "panned dialog" so he's "SNAPPING" it on purpose (no "Atmos" setting needed). I've seen a lot of movies like that (oddly panned dialog is very rare for some bizarre reason, despite it being accurate to on-screen position while snapping things to speakers is stupid, IMO, but it is what it is; "dialog in center only while actors are on-screen" seems to be a real thing), but they usually do it when the person gets close to the edge of the screen or something, not while the actor is still in the middle of it, which is why it seemed weird in Gravity. I've only seen one other film do that now and that's Hunter Killer, which may not be that feature either, just some odd "style" of panning sound around (at least one scene seemed to go the wrong direction, which I don't know if it's an editing error of the changed the camera angle and I didn't notice). Either way, I'd prefer sounds meant for the wide location to appear there, not at the fronts. I have no idea why Dolby created that option. Phantom images pan just fine between front and side surrounds in most systems. DTS:X does it all the time (Harry Potter films do it a lot for example).

As for my "complex" setup, there's nothing all that complex about it. Matrixed sound can't move sounds to new locations. It sums two channels and puts a speaker in the middle of it to help with imaging for off-center seats and smoother pans. It acts like an array since sounds aren't removed from the main channels. The extracted overheads for "top middle" do act like discrete (sounds are removed from front/rear height) but these aren't involved in any of these scenes and simply use Pro Logic to extract a center. What you're suggesting would be like watching a Pro Logic movie and suddenly the dialog shifts to the back of the room or something instead of coming out of the center speaker. It just doesn't happen.

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What is 7.2.4? Is there any soundtrack that has x.2.x? I don't get it.

I thought this processor was supposed to be using Dirac's new subeq thingy. What is all the talk about external hardware for sub management if it has that? Shouldn't be necessary so long as your speaker and sub counts don't exceed 16 channels. But even if you use an external device, you only need 1 bass channel out from the prepro to feed it.

I must be missing something 😁.
It's not about the source material, but the capability of the AVP to process.
I want in particular that all subwoofers are handled in regards to, time-alignment, level and EQ.
Some AVP only process the subs as mono.
If vendors just would provide specific information here.

I've asked e.g. Emotiva about the RMC-2, it can not handle properly two or more subs.
And I still have no clear message about the HTP-1.

I know e.g. the Lexicon MC-10 can do it, at least they state .2.x and it has Dirac. (I had Lexicon in the past, they are great)
That is a serious contender for me now.

For simplicity, but lack of Dirac, I may go with the Marantz 8805 (I have the 8802 now).
But I've heard so much about Dirac...

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I have no way on heaven or earth of knowing what other people have experienced.

You might find an experience or two on an online forum, but you seem to be more interested in being disgruntled.
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I actually thought Gravity had one of the better Atmos tracks out there. The thing about the extra two screen speakers is if they're considered more like fixed object screen channels during the mixing stage or whether they allow for a free flow of object movement, or if because anything outside of a Trinnov has no lookup table for those speaker locations the objects behave weirdly.
I've got Gravity in Atmos at home, and also have Lc/Rc speakers inside the L/C and R/C configuration within my 100" AT screen. From what I remember, the screens are only used occasionally, not with the voice moving from Left to Lc or C to Rc, or anything like that in a clockwise or counter-clockwise way, but more passthrough ambient effects. However, I can test this in the next couple of days on the George Clooney dialog scenes and report back to you.

In general, I think of Gravity as one of those Atmos movies where everything is used, and sounds spin around the room, at least until the part where Sandra Bullock is in the Russian craft.
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I've got Gravity in Atmos at home, and also have Lc/Rc speakers inside the L/C and R/C configuration within my 100" AT screen. From what I remember, the screens are only used occasionally, not with the voice moving from Left to Lc or C to Rc, or anything like that in a clockwise or counter-clockwise way, but more passthrough ambient effects. However, I can test this tonight and report back to you.

Cool! Much obliged.



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Cool! Much obliged.

Are you headed to CEDIA this year? I'm definitely going as it's in my neck of the woods this time.
Planning on it at the moment, but hadn’t really thought it through much yet.

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You might find an experience or two on an online forum, but you seem to be more interested in being disgruntled.
How am I "disgruntled" ??? I did NOT ask a question. I made a comment about the "snap to" function being a problem for setups that try to get around the other Atmos problem which is pinned/locked setups (whereby even an expensive Trinnov is struck with silent speakers beyond the remapping function's limitations). Whether Gravity or Hunter Killer actually uses "snap to" or not (it could just be an editing choice) doesn't change its effect of folding sounds back into the speakers instead of using phantom imaging. Disney using pinned soundtracks is a much bigger problem for the Monoprice HTP-1 as it neuters it down to 11-channel operation. What's the point in paying for channels beyond 11 if you can't use them?

Thus, the only question I want to ask is from Dolby and why they allow that function to be used in the first place. It should be part of their license for new soundtracks (I can see a reason to pin older conversions where sounds can't be separated easily) to fully utilize the object mapping, not hobble it on purpose for their own purposes that screws owners of high-end home cinemas with sub-standard sound. Neural X is not an option so long as the 11-channel limit exists and if they obey the Dolby request to not let 3rd party upmixers work with even the base soundtracks of Dolby, it never will be an option. DSU will not use all the speakers in a high-end Atmos setup either.

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I've got Gravity in Atmos at home, and also have Lc/Rc speakers inside the L/C and R/C configuration within my 100" AT screen. From what I remember, the screens are only used occasionally, not with the voice moving from Left to Lc or C to Rc, or anything like that in a clockwise or counter-clockwise way, but more passthrough ambient effects. However, I can test this in the next couple of days on the George Clooney dialog scenes and report back to you.

In general, I think of Gravity as one of those Atmos movies where everything is used, and sounds spin around the room, at least until the part where Sandra Bullock is in the Russian craft.
I'm definitely curious about that moment, but I half suspect it may simply be a situation where it's avoiding a dialog "pan" as some mixers seem to think that forbidden or something and tend to snap to the nearest speaker after they move so far over. I've seen that a lot in movies, but what made this seem weird is that Clooney's voice moved over to the right speaker shortly before the camera panned over a moment later. I realize it's one moment, but it threw me instantly when I saw it since most of the other pans in the movie are smooth (right after that it pans around behind me and back around to the front again and that's all one smooth pan).

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I want in particular that all subwoofers are handled in regards to, time-alignment, level and EQ.

Some AVP only process the subs as mono.

If vendors just would provide specific information here.
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Includes support for Dolby TrueHD and Dolby Digital
Up to 16 output channels with flexible speaker assignment.
9.1.6 (add wide channels, and upper front and rear)
7.3.6 (3 subwoofers instead of wide channels)
7.5.4 (5 subwoofers, only 4 upper)
https://www.dirac.com/news/dirac-liv...gement-ces2019

Does the Dirac Live Bass Management Tier 1 satisfy your requirements? Or are you looking for something else. Something like MSO (which you could also use with this processor)?
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Q: Is the HTP-1 manufactured overseas or in the USA?
A: The HTP-1 is made in the USA with globally sourced parts.
           
Q: Does the HTP-1 have OSD overlay via HDMI?
A: No, the unit is configured via PC and Tablet like many of the high end processors on the market.
 
Q: Can you assign LFE to the main channels even if the subwoofer channel is engaged?
A: Yes you can. You can also configure 5 independent subwoofers and run a full 7.5.4 speaker layout or do 3 subs in a 7.3.6 configuration.

Q: What version of DIRAC is included with the HTP-1 and does it come with a calibrated mic?
A: Dirac Live, and at this time no mic is included. We are working with Dirac to be able to have the customer purchase additional modules if they want, like the new Bass Correction they just announced.
 
Q:  How many bands is the manual PEQ and is it fully adjustable (fs, Q, etc)?
A: Right now, there are 3 bands and fully adjustable. But, based on your suggestion, we are looking to expand it to 5 bands.
 
Q: What is the max unclipped Voltage output from the balanced outputs?
A: The max unclipped output is 24dBu (12Vrms). 

Q: Is the power supply in the HTP-1  linear or SMPS?
A: Right now it is an SMPS, but we might change it to an LPS. This is still TBD. We think the noise floor with the SMPS is good at over -110db, but if we feel using an LPS we can make the switch before production.
 
Q: Does the HTP-1 support Auro 3D or will there be a firmware upgrade to support it?
A:  The hardware is already inside to support it so it would just be a firmware update to add it.  Auro 3D will be supported on the HTP-1 as just announced at CES 2019!
 
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A: The HTP-1 will follow the new protocol.
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According to that AVForums thread the ATP-16 will be nearly 3x the price.
I don't know the reasons why, but consumer electronics retail for much more in Europe than here.

The Lyngdorf MP-50 for example lists for $10K USD and £12k (which is ~$15k USD).

It was also speculation on my part that the ATP-16 & HTP-1 are clones. I'm not feeling so confident. I was told last year that the ATP-16 was a rebadged Datasat LS-10 (I missed CES this year). I asked @MonolithGuy about the HTP-1 being a rebadged Datasat LS-10 and was told no, it is not. So it appears they are indeed different designs. If and how much they are related remains to be seen.



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I don't know the reasons why, but consumer electronics retail for much more in Europe than here.

The Lyngdorf MP-50 for example lists for $10K USD and £12k (which is ~$15k USD).
I believe there are at least two reasons. They have a VAT, that is higher than our sales tax, but it also generally included in the listed price(I think). So, the American price, while still lower, looks lower than it really is in comparison, because we never include sales tax in the price.
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Do you mind me asking if a rackmount option will be offered for the HTP-1, a few different people have asked on the website and the answer seemed uncertain. Also is Zone 2 support finalised yet? (Will there be Z2 DAC/ADC and/or Z2 multichannel downmix).
As of right now there aren't any plans to offer a rackmount version.

There is a Zone 2 that is a stereo downmix.

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As of right now there aren't any plans to offer a rackmount version.

There is a Zone 2 that is a stereo downmix.

Has any thought gone into a digital interface port and an add-on Atmos (and maybe DTS: X Pro) renderer module unit that would expand the HTP-1's capabilities beyond 9.1.6? What about the full HDMI 2.1 spec in a swappable HDMI board? Something to give the unit some longevity.

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(I know @MonolithGuy BTW). As long as you are honest (which you are) this community will treat you well.

This product hits a sweet spot IMO. Emotiva keeps swinging for the fences with a wiffle bat. I have faith the HTP-1 will be a home-run! The HTP-1 should be a shoe-in for the AVS best-of-show award at CEDIA 2019.

Here are my questions:
  1. Any chance you would release the HTP-1 without Dirac Live enabled (like Emotiva has done)?
  2. Will this include Dirac Live Full or just LE [with paid upgrade to full]?

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This will not launch without some form of Dirac functioning. It will most likely ship with LE and there will need to be a paid upgrade to full, but this is still being finalized.
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Does anyone know, if there is a possibility in this device to use it as an active crossover for all speakers like you can do it with the Storm Audio, Trinnov and the Big Datasat prepro’s?
This will not be in the initial feature set. The hardware/software can support it, though. It could be a feature we add down the road, depending on the success of the unit. Our focus now is to launch a stable product as possible, and this type of feature would greatly add to the complexity, and could potentially increase the chances of issues.

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This will not be in the initial feature set. The hardware/software can support it, though. It could be a feature we add down the road, depending on the success of the unit. Our focus now is to launch a stable product as possible, and this type of feature would greatly add to the complexity, and could potentially increase the chances of issues.
Thank you for providing us these informations! Really looking forward for this product!
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As of right now there aren't any plans to offer a rackmount version.
Considering the price point and the intended market, this will be a serious oversight in my opinion. This *needs* to be able to be rack mounted. I'm pretty surprised this wasn't one of the main design factors required.
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Considering the price point and the intended market, this will be a serious oversight in my opinion. This *needs* to be able to be rack mounted. I'm pretty surprised this wasn't one of the main design factors required.
Agreed and it doesn't have to be a different version of the product at all. It just needs to have provisions to attach rack mount ears on the sides. If the component is sized correctly, one would just need to bolt rack mount ears to the sides and you're all set. If the height isn't a multiple of 1RU, then a filler spacer can be added that attaches to the rack ears - this is something Oppo did for their players:


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@MonolithGuy - Thanks for giving us honest answers. This is the only piece of home theater gear that has me wanting to upgrade my HT. I hope for you and me both that it is a success.
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From https://www.monoprice.com/product?p_id=37887

https://www.dirac.com/news/dirac-liv...gement-ces2019

Does the Dirac Live Bass Management Tier 1 satisfy your requirements? Or are you looking for something else. Something like MSO (which you could also use with this processor)?
that does actually look right.
Another half year was it right, until we know for sure.
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https://www.dirac.com/news/dirac-liv...gement-ces2019

Does the Dirac Live Bass Management Tier 1 satisfy your requirements? Or are you looking for something else. Something like MSO (which you could also use with this processor)?
It appears that DL Tier 1 is still not a definite feature option, unfortunately. I love MSO, but I want a one box solution.
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It appears that DL Tier 1 is still not a definite feature option, unfortunately. I love MSO, but I want a one box solution.
How many speakers and subs are you planning for respectively?
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