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What is the button/port to the right of the knob?


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I gotta new toy to play with this weekend
Absolutely gorgeous!!
I can tell you that I have watched a movie in Atmos, DTS:X, Auro with Dirac engaged without any showstopping issues.[/QUOTE]
"Dirac engaged" is music to my ears!!

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What is the button/port to the right of the knob?
Just an IR sensor with the cover off of it.

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That's REALLY sharp looking. A few things to consider:


1) Ensure there's a setup option to disable the blue LED on the power button.
2) Ensure there's a setup option to turn the display off completely, turn the display on briefly when there's input from the user, and a mode that leaves the display on all the times.
3) If you can, try to find a way to offer optional rack mount ears for this product. Rack mounting is probably going to be a pretty common request for this. If there are some screws on the side of the chassis, it might be possible to sell optional rack mount ears that don't require a redesign of the existing chassis/faceplate.

Is the volume knob a multi-function control that can be pressed to activate menus or is it only a volume control?


It will be very interesting to find out how this compares sonically to the obvious competition (price wise) from Marantz and Emotiva. From what you've said so far, it's probably ahead of the Emotiva RMC-1 as far as stability goes at this point.


If you need any beta testers as things get further along, I know of a few Oppo beta testers who are looking for new toys to work with, though I'm not sure how many of us are setup for Atmos / DTS:X.
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@MonolithGuy,

I'll throw my name in the hat to beta test - if you require such.

I could organize another AVR comparison like I did in 2014 - and compare this unit to several other vendor's high end pre-pros/AVRs.
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I currently have a Denon x7200wa and 13 identical speakers in a 9.8.4 setup, with two banks of subs grouped at different distances. The Kansas City guys are an active group and I'd have no trouble getting a half dozen flagship level pre/pro's AVRs over here, and probably 8-12 people for a day long, fair, comparison. Not sure if you are doing beta testing or even finished product testing - but if so and interested - send me a PM when that time comes. Either way, I'm following the launch of this unit closely.

DTS-X Pro and HDMI 2.1 are both reasonably close on the horizon, and I think delaying for those two integrations would probably be worthwhile as that would give you an immediate advantage over anything else currently on the market. (fully comprehending the gamble that those two techs may be delayed longer than you want to hold up release).

Rack ear concerns are easily overcome so long as the unit isn't more than 19" wide, with a simple, cheap rack shelf. So that's not a big concern IMO.
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I do agree with both @gsr 's posts on ensuring you can disable the blue power light, and ensuring the big LCD screen has dimmer and blackout options. Many of us like to have a dark home theater room - and limit the LED background light for the benefit of our projected image black floor.

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Rack ear concerns are easily overcome so long as the unit isn't more than 19" wide, with a simple, cheap rack shelf. So that's not a thing IMO.
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Putting something on a rack shelf isn't nearly as slick as actually mounting it to the rack and loses some of the advantages, such as being able to connect/disconnect cables without the unit moving around and having the item fill out the full width of the rack as well as a multiple of rack mount spaces so there aren't any gaps in the fitment. While I'll certainly agree that alternatives will work, having the option of rack mount ears that are designed for the product is preferable. Doing it the way Oppo did for the optional rack mounts for their products works out really well.
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Putting something on a rack shelf isn't nearly as slick as actually mounting it to the rack and loses some of the advantages, such as being able to connect/disconnect cables without the unit moving around and having the item fill out the full width of the rack as well as a multiple of rack mount spaces so there aren't any gaps in the fitment. While I'll certainly agree that alternatives will work, having the option of rack mount ears that are designed for the product is preferable. Doing it the way Oppo did for the optional rack mounts for their products works out really well.
This! Proper rackmount! Having now personally "leveled up" to starting to use rack mount audio/video equipment, and having been a Network Architect/working with Dell/HP/etc servers, I'm honestly shocked at the utterly appalling airflow design or no thought in airflow design at all, for the MAJORITY of rackmount audio/video equipment, with a shocking amount of devices that attempt to use vertical airflow.... wut?!

Front to back people or at least use the freaking sides....
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That's REALLY sharp looking. A few things to consider:


1) Ensure there's a setup option to disable the blue LED on the power button.
2) Ensure there's a setup option to turn the display off completely, turn the display on briefly when there's input from the user, and a mode that leaves the display on all the times.
3) If you can, try to find a way to offer optional rack mount ears for this product. Rack mounting is probably going to be a pretty common request for this. If there are some screws on the side of the chassis, it might be possible to sell optional rack mount ears that don't require a redesign of the existing chassis/faceplate.

Is the volume knob a multi-function control that can be pressed to activate menus or is it only a volume control?
You will be able to control the brightness levels of the display and the power button LED.

We're trying to develop a rack mount solution, but there isn't a solid timeframe for it right now, but I do hear the concern.
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@MonolithGuy,
DTS-X Pro and HDMI 2.1 are both reasonably close on the horizon, and I think delaying for those two integrations would probably be worthwhile as that would give you an immediate advantage over anything else currently on the market. (fully comprehending the gamble that those two techs may be delayed longer than you want to hold up release).
I'm not going to hold up the release of this product over HDMI 2.1, and there's a good reason for it: the HTP-1 is modular in design. When the HDMI 2.1 boards are available, we will develop an upgrade program for those that really want or need HDMI 2.1.

Once I have more insight into DTS:X Pro I'll be able comment more definitively.

Looks like I have a few beta volunteers! I've read a lot of the Kansas meets, and they are always really informative and sound like a great time!
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I'm not going to hold up the release of this product over HDMI 2.1, and there's a good reason for it: the HTP-1 is modular in design. When the HDMI 2.1 boards are available, we will develop an upgrade program for those that really want or need HDMI 2.1.



Once I have more insight into DTS:X Pro I'll be able comment more definitively.



Looks like I have a few beta volunteers! I've read a lot of the Kansas meets, and they are always really informative and sound like a great time!
If your looking for some local beta testers there is the LA group, I can supply some high end prepros to compare

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Can we also have a picture of the rear, please?

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Regarding the fortcoming HDMI 2.1 upgrade; Is it possible to do this mod. locally without the need for shipping the HTP-1 to the country of origin?
From Norway this will be quite cumbersome....

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Absolutely gorgeous!!
I can tell you that I have watched a movie in Atmos, DTS:X, Auro with Dirac engaged without any showstopping issues.
"Dirac engaged" is music to my ears!!

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Is Dirac being performed at 48khz or something higher per channel?
Is there going to be a feature to matrix front wides with front and side so there is always sound from them?
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@MonolithGuy ; Is the HTP-1 release date on schedule or ahead of shedule based on current status?

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Thanks for the update. It is great to hear that it is coming along. I may have said this before but HTP-1 is the only piece of gear that I'm excited about getting.
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Does the HTP-1 have full OSD with 4K/HDR and Dolby Vision signals like the XMC-1/RMC-1 has? If not, that would be a deal breaker for me as my processors are out of sight.

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Regarding the fortcoming HDMI 2.1 upgrade; Is it possible to do this mod. locally without the need for shipping the HTP-1 to the country of origin?
From Norway this will be quite cumbersome....
@MonolithGuy. Also I'd like to know if that Monolith HTP-1 will be shipped worldwide (at least to Europe). At the moment, Monoprice european sites (monoprice.uk and .de) only shows few HiFi products (almost earphones and small accessories). Will we need to buy the HTP-1 directly to the USA at Monoprice/Amazon sites?

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Does the HTP-1 have full OSD with 4K/HDR and Dolby Vision signals like the XMC-1/RMC-1 has? If not, that would be a deal breaker for me as my processors are out of sight.
I believe we've heard there won't be any OSD on the display at all. Everything will be controlled through IP and the detailed info you'd get on an OSD will be available by using a browser on a tablet / PC to interface with the processor.

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Will it be possible to double the FR & FL outputs to e.g. Sub 2 & 3 that will be unused in my 7.1.2 line up?
Or is this the intention with the RCA second out?
In this case, do you pull down the +6dB on the XLR outputs or is it 100% independent from an electrical point of view?

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I believe we've heard there won't be any OSD on the display at all. Everything will be controlled through IP and the detailed info you'd get on an OSD will be available by using a browser on a tablet / PC to interface with the processor.
I don't believe there is a web/http server but rather a VNC server like with Trinnov and Datasat (or even Rasperry Pi).

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Will it be possible to double the FR & FL outputs to e.g. Sub 2 & 3 that will be unused in my 7.1.2 line up?
Why would one need this? Hobie answered the question regarding active bi-amping previously. The system is capable but the feature will not be active initially. One can use a Y-splitter for passive bi-amping if so desired.
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It is independent from an electrical point of view. It is no different from split-phase 240V AC power delivered to our homes in the US. Both legs deliver balanced 240Vrms to thirsty appliances. Just one leg (unbalanced aka single-ended) results in 120Vrms which calculates to a difference of ~6dB. A 3Vrms balanced output will deliver 1.5Vrms unbalanced.
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Does the HTP-1 have full OSD with 4K/HDR and Dolby Vision signals like the XMC-1/RMC-1 has? If not, that would be a deal breaker for me as my processors are out of sight.
Enrico, I've never visited a home cinema powered by a Trinnov or Datasat where the processor is out of site. Sight

Maybe a test drive of a unit via VNC (PC, tablet, or phone) would be helpful?

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Enrico, I've never visited a home cinema powered by a Trinnov or Datasat where the processor is out of site.

Maybe a test drive of a unit via VNC (PC, tablet, or phone) would be helpful?
I said "out of sight", not "out of site" OSD overlay is a very convenient function and a must have for me on any processor. The XMC-1 OSD overlay is one of the best, if not the best I have ever seen. Denon/Marantz OSD comes in 2nd place. I know I can use my iPad or iPhone or even a computer to get access to OSD but that would be another gadget that you have to have next to you. On my Harmony Elite remote I have a dedicated remote button assigned (DVR) as the receiver/processor INFO on every activity I have programmed on my Harmony Elite.

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^^^^

OSD is convenient, but if it’s a deal breaker you’ll be really limiting your choices. It seems a lot of these newer, advanced pre-pro’s are moving away from using OSD.
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That is a zone 2 output It is independent from an electrical point of view. It is no different from split-phase 240V AC power delivered to our homes in the US. Both legs deliver balanced 240Vrms to thirsty appliances. Just one leg (unbalanced aka single-ended) results in 120Vrms which calculates to a difference of ~6dB. A 3Vrms balanced output will deliver 1.5Vrms unbalanced.
Thx, but I think you misunderstood this one. It has nothing to do with mains power.
The point is that if you connect a single ended output to one leg of the balanced signal (e.g. transformer) you ‘unbalance’ the XLR output if the connected load is low. Normally a preamp input impedance is in the region >50kOhm so this is very high compared with the low output impedance of the HTP-1. But in some instances it might influence the +6dB extra gain on the XLR output if they are not completely independent, i.e. via a line driver.

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I'm not going to hold up the release of this product over HDMI 2.1, and there's a good reason for it: the HTP-1 is modular in design. When the HDMI 2.1 boards are available, we will develop an upgrade program for those that really want or need HDMI 2.1.

Once I have more insight into DTS:X Pro I'll be able comment more definitively.

Looks like I have a few beta volunteers! I've read a lot of the Kansas meets, and they are always really informative and sound like a great time!
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This beta volunteer brings Texas brisket and ice cold Shiner Bock to the bargaining table. You should go with your gut when it comes to difficult decisions
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Thx, but I think you misunderstood this one. It has nothing to do with mains power.
I'm sorry. I thought it was a good, easy to understand analogy... electrically speaking.

I guess I'm even more confused now.
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OSD is convenient, but if it’s a deal breaker you’ll be really limiting your choices. It seems a lot of these newer, advanced pre-pro’s are moving away from using OSD.
I know most "advanced processors" are moving away from using OSD. In fact, Lonnie from Emotiva asked on the Lounge what were our thoughts about moving away from using OSD overlay on Emotiva processors as that would make their codec job easier and about 90% responded that if they did that, most customers will go another route. I know OSD overlay is a PITA after HDR and Dolby Vision standards but hey, if Marantz/Denon can do it in their $400 receivers, why you have to settle for less when paying over $2500 for a processor? That makes no sense to me, sorry.

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