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Denon AVR-X3500H or Marantz SR5013

I'm in the market for a new receiver for a 7.2 system this summer and am trying to decide between these two models. Does anyone have any experience with either?

I've heard the sound quality of the Marantz is probably better, but the Denon offers a lot more features at the same price point; such as discrete sub outputs as well as eARC capabilities to really future proof the receiver for many years to come.

Does anyone have any thoughts or different things for me to consider? Any help would be appreciated. Thank you!
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Future-proofing and Audyssey XT32 would swing me to the Denon. But if you need multi-channel analogue inputs, only the Marantz (of those two) has 'em.
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The X3500H is a higher level model comparable to the SR6013.
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Future-proofing and Audyssey XT32 would swing me to the Denon. But if you need multi-channel analogue inputs, only the Marantz (of those two) has 'em.
This was my thought as well.

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The X3500H is a higher level model comparable to the SR6013.
Really? Is that just because Marantz is a more expensive brand than Denon then? Because the price point is virtually identical between the two as well as both being made for 7.2 systems and around the same output power. Do you have experience listening to the two brands?
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This was my thought as well.



Really? Is that just because Marantz is a more expensive brand than Denon then? Because the price point is virtually identical between the two as well as both being made for 7.2 systems and around the same output power. Do you have experience listening to the two brands?
Audyssey XT32 on the X3500H is considerably better than XT on the SR5013. Marantz models are generally more expensive than their Denon sister models, the X2500H in this case.
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Audyssey XT32 on the X3500H is considerably better than XT on the SR5013. Marantz models are generally more expensive than their Denon sister models, the X2500H in this case.
I am currently looking at the Denon X3400 and the Marantz SR6012. Was wondering if it is worth the extra money to move up to the Marantz. Any insight?
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I am currently looking at the Denon X3400 and the Marantz SR6012. Was wondering if it is worth the extra money to move up to the Marantz. Any insight?
Not unless you are more interested in 2CH music listening, or expect to go beyond a 7.1 or 5.1.2 setup, or need the multi analog inputs (eg. from an SACD player).
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Not unless you are more interested in 2CH music listening, or expect to go beyond a 7.1 or 5.1.2 setup, or need the multi analog inputs (eg. from an SACD player).
So sound quality alone, you view them as equal? There is a perception of Marantz sounding warmer if all else is equal from what I've read/heard.
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So sound quality alone, you view them as equal? There is a perception of Marantz sounding warmer if all else is equal from what I've read/heard.
For movies, yes … for music, no.
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So sound quality alone, you view them as equal? There is a perception of Marantz sounding warmer if all else is equal from what I've read/heard.
I think you might be over thinking this a bit. Get the one that has the features you need or want. Both are good products. I had the Marantz SR5008 a few years back. Loved that receiver. Not one problem ever! It had Audyssey XT. Moved up to Atmos and wi-fi so bought a Denon AVR-X3400H because of XT32. It took a lot of effort to get good results with it. Also the Denon proofed to be a very buggy receiver right from the get go. It's good now but i am still not excited about the Denon as i was about the Marantz!

So I purchased a Pioneer SC-LX502 and VSX-LX503 last week. still have the Denon. Right now i am trying out the SC-LX502. So far I like it better then both the Marantz and Denon. Has class D amp( Direct energy HD amplifier) Runs extremly cool, Not even luke warm! Chromecast built-in, DTS play-Fi,Net radio, Version 4.1+LE bluetooth and a really really nice phone app that for me is worlds better then the Denon.

So far it's been bullet proof, No buggy issues. Firmware updates for Amazin music works flawless (which i used alot) and e-ARC. Receiver has been spot on, easy to calibrate and sounds awesome. Especially in 5.1 pure direct when playing my SACD's.

I really have no reason to open up the Pioneer VSX-L503 so it's going back sealed. It can drive up to 11.2 channels where the LX502 is stricty a 7.2 channel receiver like the Denon 3400H. If the LX503 had a Class D amp then i would have just bought it and not the LX502.

Make sure you think serious about buying a A/C infinity Aircom S6 to sit on top of the AVR if you buy a Marantz or Denon. Or have it sitting in a very open area rack.

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Make sure you think serious about buying a A/C infinity Aircom S6 to sit on top of the AVR if you buy a Marantz or Denon. Or have it sitting in a very open area rack.
Or just have it on Eco Auto mode so when you're not using the power it's not generating it. :-)
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Do you have a budget? If I am seeing correctly, the SR60xx and X3X00H are almost twice as much as each other. I'd think save money on the X3400H or step up to the X4500H to compare to the SR6013. Am I mistaken?
Depending on your speakers and efficiency, the extra power may keep it cool. I run my X2400H with KEF 100's and a sub (in eco mode so amps not being used are off) in an enclosed cabinet without issue. Maybe some are running at high volumes all day to get them hot, but I don't think that is normal use.
What speakers are you driving?
PS - if really summer time decision - everything we say today will have changed.... price included should have dropped.
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A refurb SR6011 might be a good bet... all the perceived benefits of both Marantz in general and the Denon specifically (mainly Audyssey XT32), along with 9ch amplification and 11ch processing. I replaced a much beefier Onkyo NR905 with the SR6011 (mostly for 5.1.4 ATMOS but also wanted XT32) and haven't had any complaints other than the tiny front display.

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Do you have a budget? If I am seeing correctly, the SR60xx and X3X00H are almost twice as much as each other. I'd think save money on the X3400H or step up to the X4500H to compare to the SR6013. Am I mistaken?
Depending on your speakers and efficiency, the extra power may keep it cool. I run my X2400H with KEF 100's and a sub (in eco mode so amps not being used are off) in an enclosed cabinet without issue. Maybe some are running at high volumes all day to get them hot, but I don't think that is normal use.
What speakers are you driving?
PS - if really summer time decision - everything we say today will have changed.... price included should have dropped.
I will be driving Aperion Audio Verus III speakers in a 7.2 configuration. (1) center, (2) towers, (4) bookshelf, (2) 12" subs.

I have been starting to lean towards the Denon X4500H myself actually.
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I will be driving Aperion Audio Verus III speakers in a 7.2 configuration. (1) center, (2) towers, (4) bookshelf, (2) 12" subs.

I have been starting to lean towards the Denon X4500H myself actually.

Oh yes - nice speakers! Give them the power.
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I ordered an x3300w because I found a 'special' price, but I received an x3400h instead (funny, not a bad deal).
Apparently they were sold out so just shipped the x3400h instead.

Wow what a deal, got it so cheap and brand new from an authorized dealer.

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I have been starting to lean towards the Denon X4500H myself actually.
Since you don’t need the onboard amplification, the only thing the X4500H would reall add over a refurb SR6011 is Alexa/Google Home compatibility, HEOS, and a larger front display (my only real complaint of my SR6011). $650 refurbished for the SR6011 is the best deal going that I can see for an 11ch AV processor... or midrange AVR for that matter.

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I'm in the market for a new receiver for a 7.2 system this summer and am trying to decide between these two models. Does anyone have any experience with either?

I've heard the sound quality of the Marantz is probably better, but the Denon offers a lot more features at the same price point; such as discrete sub outputs as well as eARC capabilities to really future proof the receiver for many years to come.

Does anyone have any thoughts or different things for me to consider? Any help would be appreciated. Thank you!
did Marantz update the sr5013 to support eARC with a firmware update?
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did Marantz update the sr5013 to support eARC with a firmware update?
No. Rather only the SR6013 and SR7013 support eARC while all of the newer 2019 models (eg. SR5014) support eARC.
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No. Rather only the SR6013 and SR7013 support eARC while all of the newer 2019 models (eg. SR5014) support eARC.
FYI, I ended up getting the Denon X6500H with an 11.2 (7.2.4) Aperion Audio Verus III speaker configuration. I absolutely love it.
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FYI, I ended up getting the Denon X6500H with an 11.2 (7.2.4) Aperion Audio Verus III speaker configuration. I absolutely love it.
Great! Refer to the 2018 Denon AVR Owner's thread (posts 1-8) for more information and for setup help or to provide any feedback.

https://www.avsforum.com/forum/90-re...sts-1-8-a.html
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