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Denon X4300h, X4400h or X4500h

Hey all,

Been a fan of the forums for a while now. Would love some opinions/advice between these three receivers. I am in Canada so prices vary. I found a used X4300 for $650 on a local site, the 4400 bstock is at $950 right now and the 4500 bstock is $999. Was wondering at the price points mentioned which is the best option. Thanks in advance. FYI all Canadian dollars
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I have the x4400h and love it. For those prices, I would go with the used X4300 and put the savings into something else for your system.
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Thanks for the quick reply! Did you get your 4400 with the 4500 out already? Anything you missed out on you regret at all
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I believe the only difference between the 4400 and 4500 is 4500 has Alexa compatability. For what use? Dunno. As OP mentioned Id go with the 4300 for the savings.

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Thanks to both! Would you say 650 CAD is a good price or should I shoot for $550? TIA
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No eARC, AURO 3D with Automatic upmixer (for a 5..1.4 Atmos setup) or volume overlay onto Dolby Vision content or HDR 60HZ with the X4300H. The X4500H is the first of the ones mentioned with the Dolby Vision volume overlay but the X4400H adds it to 60HZ HDR. I wouldn't buy a 2 year old receiver personally. The X4400H would be the farthest back I'd go and I own the X4300H and love it. You'll get more firmware updates and more future proof features with the 2 newer models IMHO.
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Thanks to both! Would you say 650 CAD is a good price or should I shoot for $550? TIA
Id try for 500 to 550.

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Thanks for all the advice!
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Hey all,

Been a fan of the forums for a while now. Would love some opinions/advice between these three receivers. I am in Canada so prices vary. I found a used X4300 for $650 on a local site, the 4400 bstock is at $950 right now and the 4500 bstock is $999. Was wondering at the price points mentioned which is the best option. Thanks in advance. FYI all Canadian dollars
The first post in this thread gives the changes in the 4400 compared to the 4300: https://www.avsforum.com/forum/90-re...sts-1-8-a.html

This one, 4500 changes from 4400: https://www.avsforum.com/forum/90-re...sts-1-8-a.html

I have a 4300, and the upgrades in its descendants wouldn't inspire me to change. It's a B stock unit, which has served me well for about 20 months. I don't know what a fair price would be for a used one in good condition. A quick look at eBay.ca shows recent sales of used ones at around 700CAD plus shipping. (All shipped from the US, though.)
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The first post in this thread gives the changes in the 4400 compared to the 4300: https://www.avsforum.com/forum/90-re...sts-1-8-a.html



This one, 4500 changes from 4400: https://www.avsforum.com/forum/90-re...sts-1-8-a.html



I have a 4300, and the upgrades in its descendants wouldn't inspire me to change. It's a B stock unit, which has served me well for about 20 months. I don't know what a fair price would be for a used one in good condition. A quick look at eBay.ca shows recent sales of used ones at around 700CAD plus shipping. (All shipped from the US, though.)
While I wouldn't run to upgrade mine either based on the newer feature sets OP is starting from nothing so going to a used 3 year old receiver with no factory warranty whatsoever makes little sense when he can get a one year newer model with a 1 year factory warranty for around $717 U.S. and gain a few added features along the way. Plus a newer model will get more firmware updates longer.

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One very important omission from the discussion to date. What are the OP's needs? How are you planning to use it?

In general though, I would agree with Madmax and get the newer technology. $999 CAD for the 4500H is a great price and it's only $50 more than the year older 4400H (which I own). IMAX Enhanced is probably a feature that you'll be glad you have in the future.
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I have a X1300 right now and am mainly looking to add more speakers to my Atmos setup. It's more 4500 vs 4300 as I can get the bstock 4500 for $50 more than the 4400. The 4300 final price is $600. All CAD once again
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If the 4500 has a warranty, I would go for that. Receivers can have their issues. I've had two x4300h, the 2nd rock solid, the first repaired under warranty and sold on ebay. Yes, I did run for several months after the repair to make sure it was solid.

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Would have a 1 year Denon Manufacturer Warranty. It's been factory refurbished certified from Denon
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Would have a 1 year Denon Manufacturer Warranty. It's been factory refurbished certified from Denon
I would go for that, newer technology, and peace of mind. Admittedly, just small, incremental newer technology. But, if it makes it through the warranty period, it will probably give you years of trouble free service.
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Can you use the SW2 as VOG for the 4400/4500?

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The 4500 also recently received the IMAX Enhanced firmware update. The 4400 and below will not

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Hey all,

Been a fan of the forums for a while now. Would love some opinions/advice between these three receivers. I am in Canada so prices vary. I found a used X4300 for $650 on a local site, the 4400 bstock is at $950 right now and the 4500 bstock is $999. Was wondering at the price points mentioned which is the best option. Thanks in advance. FYI all Canadian dollars
Crutchfield's site let's you compare all three models even though they don't have the 4300 and 4400 listed in their results. Below is a link to the comparison - not much difference between them in terms of features.

https://www.crutchfield.com/Product/...=01|033AVX4300
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I'd personally probably go for the 4300H, but I can understand those who want to stick close to a warranty. I looked for used and refurbished 4300H deals when I was buying a little over a year ago and there weren't many to be found at the time, so I ended up with a Marantz SR6011 which did have a good refurb price at the time. For $600 CAD ($450USD), I'd be all over a 4300H... but $1000CAD ($750USD) for a 4500H is a solid price so I can understand going that route if you personally value the peace of mind of a warranty.

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I'd personally probably go for the 4300H, but I can understand those who want to stick close to a warranty. I looked for used and refurbished 4300H deals when I was buying a little over a year ago and there weren't many to be found at the time, so I ended up with a Marantz SR6011 which did have a good refurb price at the time. For $600 CAD ($450USD), I'd be all over a 4300H... but $1000CAD ($750USD) for a 4500H is a solid price so I can understand going that route if you personally value the peace of mind of a warranty.
Yeah I'm more between the 4300 and 4500 now just not sure on if it's worth future proofing
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Yeah I'm more between the 4300 and 4500 now just not sure on if it's worth future proofing
4500 is already out of date, as a handful of new tvs are coming out with hdmi ver 2.1. The 4500 has ver 2.0, so if you look at it that way the 4500 is as out of date as the others, lol...

Youll have to wait till summer to see what new Avrs get 2.1, some current higher end avrs will have to be sent in to have the hdmi boards replaced to 2.1.

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Crutchfield's site let's you compare all three models even though they don't have the 4300 and 4400 listed in their results. Below is a link to the comparison - not much difference between them in terms of features.

https://www.crutchfield.com/Product/...=01|033AVX4300
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4500 is already out of date, as a handful of new tvs are coming out with hdmi ver 2.1. The 4500 has ver 2.0, so if you look at it that way the 4500 is as out of date as the others, lol...

Youll have to wait till summer to see what new Avrs get 2.1, some current higher end avrs will have to be sent in to have the hdmi boards replaced to 2.1.
More future proofing then the others , sorry. My tv does no have 2.1 so it is irrelevant for now. Thanks for the input and consideration though!
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4500 is already out of date, as a handful of new tvs are coming out with hdmi ver 2.1. The 4500 has ver 2.0, so if you look at it that way the 4500 is as out of date as the others, lol...

Youll have to wait till summer to see what new Avrs get 2.1, some current higher end avrs will have to be sent in to have the hdmi boards replaced to 2.1.
Of 2020 on both counts. Not to mention, as many of us are still using 1080p TVs, HDMI 2.1 won't even be in on our radar for years to come.

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I just went through this myself, I went with a 4300 because I thought I was getting a good deal at $550 U.S. compared to the $800 plus on the 4400 and 4500. I am content with it though, usually I always want the latest and greatest as well as a warranty but was trying to run a 9.2 semi budget friendly to go with my KEF setup. I just got a firm ware update yesterday on it so they have not stopped on them yet.

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I just went through this myself, I went with a 4300 because I thought I was getting a good deal at $550 U.S. compared to the $800 plus on the 4400 and 4500. I am content with it though, usually I always want the latest and greatest as well as a warranty but was trying to run a 9.2 semi budget friendly to go with my KEF setup. I just got a firm ware update yesterday on it so they have not stopped on them yet.
Yeah I was thinking it's decent savings at $600 CAD just debating between warrenty and updates if worth it. Do you know what the update yesterday was?
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Yeah I was thinking it's decent savings at $600 CAD just debating between warrenty and updates if worth it. Do you know what the update yesterday was?

It didn't say, I will get my serial number off of it tonight and see what it says the update was.

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Yeah I was thinking it's decent savings at $600 CAD just debating between warrenty and updates if worth it. Do you know what the update yesterday was?
Nothing listed yet but more than likely just minor firmware fixes and probably the last for that model. Just get the X4500 dude. You're courting nothing but problems including a used receiver in the mix. The real comparison is the refurbished X4400 to the refurbished X4500. 50 buck more Canadian for the X4500 that will get the most up to date firmware fixes in the next 2 years.

I sold cars new and used for 22 years. Even used cars come with a 90 day dealer warranty. You might be buying someone's cherry "smoke and pet free" AVR that has never had a days worth of issues or you may be buying someone elses nightmare receiver that's never stopped intermitently acting up on them so they are unloading it. The last 2 used cash cars my brother bought needed thousands of dollars of repairs after the sale. One at a year later and one at a month. If you do get the used one though try every conceivable test of its features and functions while you still have some window of protection through Paypal or the like. Good luck.

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Nothing listed yet but more than likely just minor firmware fixes and probably the last for that model. Just get the X4500 dude. You're courting nothing but problems including a used receiver in the mix. The real comparison is the refurbished X4400 to the refurbished X4500. 50 buck more Canadian for the X4500 that will get the most up to date firmware fixes in the next 2 years.

I sold cars new and used for 22 years. Even used cars come with a 90 day dealer warranty. You might be buying someone's cherry "smoke and pet free" AVR that has never had a days worth of issues or you may be buying someone elses nightmare receiver that's never stopped intermitently acting up on them so they are unloading it. The last 2 used cash cars my brother bought needed thousands of dollars of repairs after the sale. One at a year later and one at a month. If you do get the used one though try every conceivable test of its features and functions while you still have some window of protection through Paypal or the like. Good luck.
The $50 difference is why it's more 43 vs 45. I agree with what you've said just if it is a perfect unit is all the features worth the extra$400
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The $50 difference is why it's more 43 vs 45. I agree with what you've said just if it is a perfect unit is all the features worth the extra$400
If both are in equally reliable shape then it's a closer call but the X4300 was $650 and the X4500 was $999 in your initial post so that's $344 more for 2 years newer and a years worth of warranty. You can also absolutely have a problem with the newer refurbished X4500 so I'm not saying it's all perfect if you decide to go that route . Some slip past the refurbished testing if the issue is intermittent from the previous owner. Some are also just open box units that can't be resold as new so it's a bit of a gamble both ways just with some protection with a replacement option in the first 30 days through the refurbished seller and then Denon directly after that where you would still have to pay insured shipping to them for a warranty repair. The other way(4300) you save the added $344 and hope for a good unit. Both options are possible. I've bought a used 5 channel power amp before and used speakers but receivers are more like Swiss army knifes compared to the hatchet that a dedicated power amp or speaker is with less to check at purchase.

Basically if a power amp or speaker works you're usually good for 10 plus years of service. With receivers its video, audio, bluetooth, wifi , power amp, bass mgmt. etc... so harder to quickly check every option that they have in a short time frame for full functionality. There's no easy answer with things like this. It comes down to where you as the potential buyer sees the value. I can say the value is in the newer model with a bit of a safety net for something catastrophic happening within the first year but something minor may not be worth the insured shipping cost to Denon lessening the value of the warranty a bit. I still see value in the longer firmware support and features but again it doesnt matter what I see value in. Only what you do. If you really would like to save the money just be sure to hook the used receiver up and run it through its paces as long as you can during any return window. In the end do what you feel good about because it's your money. I feel one way and others feel another. Thats the nature of multiple opinions. At least your more fully informed both ways.

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